Junior Adventurer's Guild - October: UnderRail

[Tinky Winky]

UnderRail update:



There's quite a bit more but those are the top things. Read it here:
https://stygiansoftware.com/underrail/d ... pdate.html

Total UndARYANil Victory. ATrOoM xisters lost as always.

[wndrbr]

Styg is a ******* ******, I'm removing Infusion from my wishlist.

[Rand]

Styg is a ******* ******

That seems to be the general consensus.
He's maybe like Arthmoor, except not a narcissist?

[Tadeusz]

Interesting, I wonder how this Intelligence stat change will change builds. Int perks seem quite good.

Added Polymath (intelligence 8) - Immediately grants 15 skill points and additional 5 skill points at every subsequent level.
[Expedition] Added Specialist (level 16, intelligence 10) - Grants 1 additional specialization point per level.

[Tweed]

[Tinky Winky]

Styg is a ******* ******, I'm removing Infusion from my wishlist.

Just play it on normal like every non autistic RPG gamer did.

[Tweed]

Styg is a ******* ******, I'm removing Infusion from my wishlist.

Got em!

[rusty_shackleford]

ATOM team years after release: "Hey you guys like our game so we're going to add new content to it, and we're also going to remaster it with cool stuff from our newer games. Enjoy!"
Styg years after release: "Second week of the month already? Time to nerf psionics and tweak difficulty levels again"

[Tweed]

"And here's some movie references you can pay cash money for in our new game!"

[J1M]

Maybe he wants to sabotage it so he can do something else for the next decade of his life.

[Rand]

and we're also going to remaster it with cool stuff from our newer games. Enjoy!

Umm... what?

[rusty_shackleford]

and we're also going to remaster it with cool stuff from our newer games. Enjoy!

Umm... what?

ATOM remaster is in the works

[Rand]

ATOM remaster is in the works

Huh. I suppose in Trudograd engine with QOL improvements.
Anything else known?

[Rand]

Time to nerf psionics

Now that I've given it a minute's thought, I find this all very puzzling.
If I were to design the game, EVERY character would have at least one psionic skillset by default, and you could lean into acquiring more at the expense of other physical combat and noncombat skills.
My reason being that the PC is a version of the "chosen one". A natively psionic PC makes more sense and it explains why the PC power level can exceed every other being in the game.
Just being a gunslinger or hunter or armored merc is less uniquely heroic. I wouldn't take the possibility away, I'd just make sure the PC is as special as the game treats them by making them a naturally talented Psi as well.

TL;DR: the player's use of psionics to break from the basic NPC game rules should have been encouraged.

[rusty_shackleford]

Time to nerf psionics

Now that I've given it a minute's thought, I find this all very puzzling.
If I were to design the game, EVERY character would have at least one psionic skillset by default, and you could lean into acquiring more at the expense of other physical combat and noncombat skills.
My reason being that the PC is a version of the "chosen one". A natively psionic PC makes more sense and it explains why the PC power level can exceed every other being in the game.
Just being a gunslinger or hunter or armored merc is less uniquely heroic. I wouldn't take the possibility away, I'd just make sure the PC is as special as the game treats them by making them a naturally talented Psi as well.

TL;DR: the player's use of psionics to break from the basic NPC game rules should have been encouraged.

I have a good bit I want to compile on this, but I think far-reaching character building belongs in RPGs that have full party customization, not in ones with limited party customization or no companions

[Tadeusz]

My reason being that the PC is a version of the "chosen one". A natively psionic PC makes more sense and it explains why the PC power level can exceed every other being in the game.

Can't agree. Underrail has plenty of powerful psionics and I wouldn't say that the PC is the chosen one in any way. Underrail is designed in such a way that encounters are hard to do head-on on and require some clever planning and savescumming. PC just lives long enough to learn a lot of tricks.

[logincrash]

Time to nerf psionics

Now that I've given it a minute's thought, I find this all very puzzling.
If I were to design the game, EVERY character would have at least one psionic skillset by default, and you could lean into acquiring more at the expense of other physical combat and noncombat skills.
My reason being that the PC is a version of the "chosen one". A natively psionic PC makes more sense and it explains why the PC power level can exceed every other being in the game.
Just being a gunslinger or hunter or armored merc is less uniquely heroic. I wouldn't take the possibility away, I'd just make sure the PC is as special as the game treats them by making them a naturally talented Psi as well.

TL;DR: the player's use of psionics to break from the basic NPC game rules should have been encouraged.

As much as I like the magical God-among-men protagonist archetype, an average Joe surviving hellish battles due to his sheer determination and developing mad skillz is more compelling, I think.

[Rand]

Underrail has plenty of powerful psionics and I wouldn't say that the PC is the chosen one in any way.

And how many of them literally challenge every power group and change the game world?
Zero.
The PC does.

Also note that I was speaking in reference to Styg consistently nerfing the player's psionic abilities, potential and actual.
The NPCs can and do break the rules narratively and in game mechanics.

[Rand]

Time to nerf psionics

Now that I've given it a minute's thought, I find this all very puzzling.
If I were to design the game, EVERY character would have at least one psionic skillset by default, and you could lean into acquiring more at the expense of other physical combat and noncombat skills.
My reason being that the PC is a version of the "chosen one". A natively psionic PC makes more sense and it explains why the PC power level can exceed every other being in the game.
Just being a gunslinger or hunter or armored merc is less uniquely heroic. I wouldn't take the possibility away, I'd just make sure the PC is as special as the game treats them by making them a naturally talented Psi as well.

TL;DR: the player's use of psionics to break from the basic NPC game rules should have been encouraged.

As much as I like the magical God-among-men protagonist archetype, an average Joe surviving hellish battles due to his sheer determination and developing mad skillz is more compelling, I think.

I suppose it works for Batman. Still, I find it a bit underwhelming.
Recall that powerful psi is a background theme in the setting. I mean, what's the main quest about?
"So PC, how did you defeat the powerful conspiracy and slay the emerging cthuloid horror?"

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[Tadeusz]

And how many of them literally challenge every power group and change the game world?

I think it's more of a game convention. And besides, what about the Faceless who challenged every major city? And Six and Tanner are implied to be more powerful than the protagonist.
By the way, this balance discussion made me think about what is everyone's favorite version of the game's balance? @wndrbr mentioned that it was possible to set bear traps in combat so perhaps there were more cool features like that that were removed.

[Rand]

@wndrbr mentioned that it was possible to set bear traps in combat so perhaps there were more cool features like that that were removed.

Yes there were. They were fun as well.
Due to player dissent, Styg was forced to retain a "Psi Legacy" branch just before he really went in and nerfed them hard.

And also there were things never implemented that you can see as possibilities in the game's psionic narrative background.
Things players asked for instead of more direct shooty bang-bang or stabby-stabby, and perk theorycrafting.

[Rand]

and we're also going to remaster it with cool stuff from our newer games. Enjoy!

Umm... what?

ATOM remaster is in the works

I spoke with the lead developer doing bugfixes.
They say they're going to do ATOM 2 before any possible remaster.

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(I found a bug in Swordhaven with companion skill levels that the dev is fixing in the next patch.)

[Tadeusz]

Just finished the Expedition DLC. It's a must have. Overall, it's a very solid DLC that adds a lot of useful things as well as an interesting questline and a pretty big area. I wonder if the acorn will appear in the Infusion.

[Tweed]

Just finished the Expedition DLC. It's a must have. Overall, it's a very solid DLC that adds a lot of useful things as well as an interesting questline and a pretty big area. I wonder if the acorn will appear in the Infusion.

>He actually GAVE it to the professor!

lol

lmao, even.

[Tadeusz]

>He actually GAVE it to the professor!

How could I disappoint my generous employer?
Well, I also tried other people mostly for the lore but decided to give it to the professor anyway. Money is not a big problem at this point.

[Tadeusz]

Have Styg said something about save transfers to the Infusion? Will we start from level 1 or will there be a direct continuation of character progress like in Trudograd?

[rusty_shackleford]

Have Styg said something about save transfers to the Infusion? Will we start from level 1 or will there be a direct continuation of character progress like in Trudograd?

iirc it's a completely separate story so I doubt it

[Tadeusz]

iirc it's a completely separate story so I doubt it

Is it a different protagonist as well? I guess the ending with going to North Underrail confused me a bit.

[Sweeper]

Hey, it's @Sweeper!

My time here was brief, but very memorable.
@Finarfin Go **** yourself ***.

[Finarfin]

*************, you waste of space