Warhammer 40,000 Thread

[Vergil]

I like Craftworld Eldar. I think they are cool and they had very compelling lore before they were flanderized.

I found the craftworld concept very interesting when I learned about them. The fact they have their own weird rumspringa where they can become rangers and have a little more freedom without fully becoming corsairs was cool.

[UltraFan123]

To be honest, the only thing I find interesting about the Tau faction is the Farsight Enclaves.

Because anyone with a functioning brain could indeed tell that the Tau faction was yet another romantisation of commie ******** with the Ethereal caste obviously being the bolshevik elite self-insert, the idea that there are Tau who are not only able to perfectly exist without the overlord caste, but are also able to thrive as well, to me it felt like someone at Games Workshop was taking jabs at the idea of a perfect commie utopia.

Granted, the Farsight Enclaves are still preaching the same "everyone is equal under the Greater Good!" ****, but now that the Greater Good became an actual warp deity that the Farsight Tau have learned to tolerate and sometimes even encourage the worship of, I think that little-by-little the faction may become less commie as time goes on.

Having said all that, the Imperium of Man is still the best faction bar none. Give me more monotheistic human kingdoms in fiction.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Having said all that, the Imperium of Man is still the best faction bar none. Give me more monotheistic human kingdoms in fiction.

Best of the worst faction.

[gerey]

Because anyone with a functioning brain could indeed tell that the Tau faction was yet another romantisation of commie ******** with the Ethereal caste obviously being the bolshevik elite self-insert, the idea that there are Tau who are not only able to perfectly exist without the overlord caste, but are also able to thrive as well, to me it felt like someone at Games Workshop was taking jabs at the idea of a perfect commie utopia.

I find it beyond irritating that the Tau suffer none of the issues other factions face. What actual flaw do they have beyond being a small empire, which is basically the kind of "flaw" a Mary Sue would have, in the sense that it's a backhanded compliment that makes them look all the more badass and awesome for being able to defeat much larger and stronger factions.

Okay, they don't have a particularly strong presence in the Warp, to the point it's very difficult for Chaos to corrupt them, but wouldn't that mean they're a whole race of Pariahs? Pariahs can't stand being around each other, and nomries despise Pariahs on sight, so how the **** are Tau masters of diplomacy?

How do the Tau prevent their more psychic species from succumbing to the Ruinous Powers and having to deal with whole planets chimping out? They lack any of the repressive mechanisms the Imperium had to resort, they don't have the Ork's innate ability to smell out corruption among their own, or the protection of Gork and Mork, or Eldar autism.

Also, how do they prevent their human worlds, many of which are hive worlds, of which even a single one outnumbers the total Tau population by orders of magnitude from descending into a religious insurgency that would make ISIS look like well-adjusted and civilized folks?

How do they manage to capture and convert/brainwash Inquisitors and high-ranking Imperium officials, when it's been repeatedly pointed out that those individuals have multiple mechanisms in place, from suicide devices to cognitive programming, specifically put in place to prevent such an eventuality, since they were designed to prevent them from falling to Chaos? Are the Ethereals somehow more powerful and skilled than the ******* big four?

How do they prevent their AIs from being corrupted by Chaos? Why are their AIs not rebelling like the human ones did?

How did they manage to reach the same technological level as all other factions in a mere 4,000 years, faster than DAOT humanity, and can go toe to toe with all other races, oftentimes fielding more effective weapons and tactics than they do. Is GW really telling me that a race that has been at war with the whole galaxy for the past 10,000 years, and who would have unparalleled levels of institutional experience to wage war, get humiliated by a bunch of androgynous blue freaks?

**** the Tau, and **** the gay ****** bongs for sucking Marxist **** so hard. I hope the whole shithole island of theirs gets taken over by Pakis.

Best of the worst faction.

"humans are the bad guys because they have to do mean things sometimes to prevent themselves from being raped to death by demons"

They're the best faction, period. They're the objective good guys of the setting and the only faction the ruinous powers actively fear.

[Finarfin]

Warhammer Old World is woke. It now has female bretonian knights even though lore books established that only men are knights and even the rule/lorebooks of the TTRPG said that women can be knights but have to conceal their gender else it could have serious consequences. The only official knight is Repanse and that's only because she is basically Jeanne D'arc, Joan of Arc, Johanna von Orléans.

[UltraFan123]

How do they prevent their AIs from being corrupted by Chaos? Why are their AIs not rebelling like the human ones did?

Granted, the squats from the Leagues of Votann also have super advanced AI that for some reason is uber loyal to them, but I always believed that the dwarves are giga-chads so I let this particular part of the squat faction slide. kek

[gerey]

the squats from the Leagues of Votann also have super advanced AI that for some reason is uber loyal to them

There's examples of machine spirits that are loyal, like that one Land Raider that got so enraged by the destruction of its chapter monastery that it decided to wage a one-vehicle gorilla campaign against the orks, killing their warboss and half the ork army singlehandedly in one night.

Point is that the Votann AIs and the various machine spirits are the exception, not the rule.

My logic/headcanon is that Chaos can corrupt pretty much anything, and we know they can and do corrupt code, hence why the Mechanicus is so cautious about poking at new stuff, so it would be trivially easy for Chaos to corrupt a sentient that lacks a soul (like an AI) and turn it against its creators, so why is this not happening to the Tau?

On a separate note, I also hated how Tau intrude into everything, like how Dante mentions them during the Siege of Baal, as if he would know or give a flying **** about some podunk alien empire at the fringes of Imperial territory.

Also, another thing that GW never touches upon, how exactly do the Tau that face Chaos forces escape corruption? In 40k corruption doesn't have to be voluntary, just looking at a Chaos symbol or being close to something tainted can initiate the process, hence why the Inquisition was so adamant about wiping out the IG troops that participated in the First War for Armageddon during the Months of Shame, they knew many of those soldiers had been corrupted and would become vectors for further corruption if not contained.

Even Gulliman's stringent quarantine procedures didn't manage to keep Nurgle at bay and allowed him to claw a foothold on the 500 worlds, so how the **** do the Tau manage to escape all these issues?

[Reichspepe]

How do they prevent their AIs from being corrupted by Chaos? Why are their AIs not rebelling like the human ones did?

Granted, the squats from the Leagues of Votann also have super advanced AI that for some reason is uber loyal to them, but I always believed that the dwarves are giga-chads so I let this particular part of the squat faction slide. kek

Nu-40k is garbage not just because of the woke ****, but also because the lore is just total lame, uninspired garbage that most often makes no sense. Obligatory **** Shitmaris and Cawl statement

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

"humans are the bad guys because they have to do mean things sometimes to prevent themselves from being raped to death by demons"

They're the best faction, period. They're the objective good guys of the setting and the only faction the ruinous powers actively fear.

Never said there were the bad guys but the best fraction out of the rest of the factions that want to exterminate mankind.

However living the imperium is a hellish existence. Most likely as an average citizen living a hive city in pitiful squalor that makes third world cities look heaven on earth or working on some forge world for 20 hours a day in barley livable conditions .Best position you can be in probably being in the Astra Militarum but a fruit fly has a longer life expectancy then them.

[UltraFan123]

How do they prevent their AIs from being corrupted by Chaos? Why are their AIs not rebelling like the human ones did?

Granted, the squats from the Leagues of Votann also have super advanced AI that for some reason is uber loyal to them, but I always believed that the dwarves are giga-chads so I let this particular part of the squat faction slide. kek

Nu-40k is garbage not just because of the woke ****, but also because the lore is just total lame, uninspired garbage that most often makes no sense. Obligatory **** Shitmaris and Cawl statement

Even though I do prefer the idea of a proper loyalist primarch leading the Imperium over a bunch of self-centered High Lords, like a true monarchy should be, most of the post-Era Indomitus has indeed been kinda lame.

Primaris are just cheap cash grabs that contributed nothing of value to the lore, Cawl is a gary stu who may or may not be the self-insert of a Games Workshop higher up, there is no such thing as female Custodes and never will be, and even the aeldari were recently stripped of some of their unique magic; they no longer sing their ships into existence, they now build them the mundane way just like every other faction does.

That's the always the worst part of commies disguised as game creators, they ALWAYS have the make everything "equal".

[Reichspepe]

Granted, the squats from the Leagues of Votann also have super advanced AI that for some reason is uber loyal to them, but I always believed that the dwarves are giga-chads so I let this particular part of the squat faction slide. kek

Nu-40k is garbage not just because of the woke ****, but also because the lore is just total lame, uninspired garbage that most often makes no sense. Obligatory **** Shitmaris and Cawl statement

Even though I do prefer the idea of a proper loyalist primarch leading the Imperium over a bunch of self-centered High Lords, like a true monarchy should be, most of the post-Era Indomitus has indeed been kinda lame.

Primaris are just cheap cash grabs that contributed nothing of value to the lore, Cawl is a gary stu who may or may not be the self-insert of a Games Workshop higher up, there is no such thing as female Custodes and never will be, and even the aeldari were recently stripped of some of their unique magic; they no longer sing their ships into existence, they now build them the mundane way just like every other faction does.

That's the always the worst part of commies disguised as game creators, they ALWAYS have the make everything "equal".

Yes, apart from Wokehammer, GW does fundamentally not understand their own lore anymore, neither do they really care for it.

I think Carl here makes a great point about what I despise about modern fantasy/sci-fi like Warhammer (40k)

[Demonic Fate]

Because anyone with a functioning brain could indeed tell that the Tau faction was yet another romantisation of commie ******** with the Ethereal caste obviously being the bolshevik elite self-insert, the idea that there are Tau who are not only able to perfectly exist without the overlord caste, but are also able to thrive as well, to me it felt like someone at Games Workshop was taking jabs at the idea of a perfect commie utopia.

I find it beyond irritating that the Tau suffer none of the issues other factions face. What actual flaw do they have beyond being a small empire, which is basically the kind of "flaw" a Mary Sue would have, in the sense that it's a backhanded compliment that makes them look all the more badass and awesome for being able to defeat much larger and stronger factions.

If you read 40k books (a terrible life choice I cannot endorse), you might like the Elemental Council novel that came out last year. It doesn't deal with Tau vs Warp/Xenos, but it has IMO a really interesting take on internal Tau society and Tau vs Imperium.

The novel's central thesis, expounded by a loyalist Marine and largely confirmed by events, is: the Tau Empire is one really bad day away from becoming the Imperium of Man.

The reason it can behave as a relatively nice "high tech North Korea" empire is because it's playing in the galactic kiddie pool and only getting a fraction of a fraction of the Imperium's, or anyone else's, attention. As it expands and starts facing real pressure, it will very quickly resort to the same bloody repression methods the Imperium uses, and it will become just as rotting and grimdark.

(The Space Marine in question, in particular, intends to use this:

Also, how do they prevent their human worlds, many of which are hive worlds, of which even a single one outnumbers the total Tau population by orders of magnitude from descending into a religious insurgency that would make ISIS look like well-adjusted and civilized folks?

to ensure that that really bad day comes as early as possible, before the Imperium has to devote more resources against it. And while obviously his plan is ultimately defeated, he is proven 100% correct in his assessment of the Empire.)

There's more to the novel than that; it manages to show the Tau as ridiculously conformist while still being full characters with their own conflicts and doubts. The ethereals feature prominently, and they're shown as both well-meaning and able to wield the Power of Friendship® when possible, but also utterly ruthless and explicitly open to sacrificing as many lives as needed (especially from client species) to achieve their goals and protect the status quo - and only humans see this as contradictory.

One fantastic exchange goes like this:

"What will the conclave do with the human rebels and their sympathizers?"

"Well, they and their families will be taken off-world, separated from each other, and put into indoctrination labor camps until they have fully internalized Juche Greater Good Thought or died."

"Oh thank the Ethereals! I thought something bad was going to happen to them!"

Now keep in mind that the first and last line are spoken by the young, plucky, starry-eyed engineer who is depicted as unusually open-minded and willing to entertain unconventional ideas. She also, at one point, seriously considers self-reporting to a re-education camp for having doubted an Ethereal's integrity.

(I said the book doesn't deal with the Warp at all, but personally I would like it if GW used it as a basis to replace the "Tau have weak souls so the Warp doesn't touch them" ******** handwavium with "The Tau are so utterly conformist at a racial level that their minds are fortresses with their gates sealed and triple-guarded.")

Anyway, book is good, and it made me enjoy the Tau as a faction a lot more.

[Finarfin]

Warhammer Skulls Showcase just concluded and had some cool stuff.

Owlcat announced Dark Heresy.
Owlcat showed the Arbites Class and Companion for Rogue Trader and also announced a Season Pass 2
Total War Warhammer 3 Tides of Torment announced
BOLT GUN gets a free mode where you type words to kill and also BOLT GUN 2 got announced for 2026
Mechanicus 2 gameplay was shown, and it is GLORIOUS
Vermintide's final chapter in the Verminous Dreams released.
Speed Freeks 1.0 released
Darktide gets the Arbites Class (Now I got a reason to play it)
Space Marine 2 gets a Siege Mode
Dawn of War 1 gets a defininite Edition with improved everything basically.
Space Marine 1 does too

[Finarfin]

[J1M]

Older editions seem to imply the emperor is Jesus, but that has seemingly been dropped.

That would be great as ****.

The Monkey's Paw curls. TLDR; 40k lore is a complete mess and there is no established canon. The whole thing is a giant, multi-decade copout by GW. The one constant throughout all of GW history is that there is no true God; only the creations of the psychic emanations of the sentient races, and the implacably evil Chaos Gods. It's gay as ****.

Rogue Trader and I think Second Ed? Maidenhaver can perhaps confirm here, had the Emperor as just a man. A great man but that's all. The same with his Primarchs. They were just human generals of his armies. He wasn't turned into a not-god until like 3rd Ed, at which point several implied origin stories were created.

The first was that he was born immortal in the mists of Earth's pre-history, and was literally every influential religious figure in history (and most of history's Great Men), trying to guide humanity on the Golden Path to Secular Humanism. Then there was the idea that he was the spiritual gestalt of a council of psychic shamans who sacrificed their lives in a ritual that created the Nietzschean Ubermensch. Then there was the Starchild/Sensei, which was some Eastern mysticism wuwu ****.

Each of these received Black Library support in one book or another btw.

They finally settled on the "born immortal in pre-history" origin for the Horus Heresy.

He also "canonically" hates all organized religion, and did indeed attempt to force Secular Humanist Atheism on the entire Imperium (his dramatic smackdown of the Word-Bearers and Lorgar was the genesis of Lorgar's rebellion).

If god doesn't exist in the 40k setting, then who is reincarnating the souls of these prominent "plain human" characters? There's a lot of magic mumbo jumbo laced into the primarchs.

[J1M]

afaik nobody likes(liked?) the tau
they're basically libtards so they'll eventually just make them not-imperium to attract people to actually buy tau stuff

Tau fill the Japanese Anime Mech design space to lure in small children. But the reason people don't like them is because they are a glass cannon army which means when they win the will have obliterated your troops before you had a chance to do anything.

[Finarfin]

I'm thinking of getting either these 10 or just get Warhammer 40k Eldar or something.

[Finarfin]

[DemoGraph]

https://i.imgur.com/O0oJz6B.mp4

[ghardy]

In case someone hasn't seen this yet.



Big discount until 21 November.

The complete bundle isn't too expensive either. That soundtrack is excellent.

On the other hand, perhaps it's prudent to wait for Mechanicus II. Maybe they'll give this away for free.

[Jordy]

[SpellSword]

If I want to play as an Aeldari what are my video game options?

Warhammer 40,000: Rites of War

40K Rites of War.webp

There are a few games that let you play as the Eldar, but I think Rites of War may be the only one that has a campaign specifically focused on that faction.

[TheEmptyRoad]

The bastards finally did it:





Femstodes! Woohoo! That’ll show you CHUDs!


Men cannot have their own spaces.
Every treehouse boys build will eventually be occupied by girls who couldn’t be bothered to build their own.

Don’t forget:

[Cipher]

The bastards finally did it:





Femstodes! Woohoo! That’ll show you CHUDs!


Men cannot have their own spaces.
Every treehouse boys build will eventually be occupied by girls who couldn’t be bothered to build their own.

Don’t forget:

Since they added that in a book or it was a promo? Anyways, it was bound to happen. GW is completely pozzed by now. Femstodes is only the dry run to test the waters. The real aim is Space Feminists.

And to everyone claiming that femstodes was game because it was a gray area but there is no way we are getting female space marines because that has been stated in the lore as not being possible, GW has said in writing that there is no canon, its already pozzed beyond belief and can't wait to ***** out the Adeptus Astartes.

Either they get a hit on their wallet with this femstodes stunt, or they are going to ***** out the Emperor's finest. They already trooned the sororitas, who don't look like women anymore, and that's a far far less popular faction.

[mynameismortis]

The latest scouring book has femstodes as it is without explanation about them,they were just dropped.From what i have heard GW is broken into minor factions doing what they want,the only thing unifying them is the corporate boot on their throats to work,so the money flow.They dont see in the far future,they just see in the next 2-3 years they would earn alot of money.Its going to be a fun watch them burn.

[Vergil]

How do you get into painting the little guys if you have no artistic skills also how do you do it without spending 8 trillion dollars on toys and paint

[Val the Moofia Boss]

How do you get into painting the little guys if you have no artistic skills

There are a plethora of online tutorials to follow, be it guides or youtube videos. The main issue is that you just need a big table, a lot of newspapers to put on it, and then spend the time putting your materials on the table and sitting down and getting it done, and letting the paint layers dry before coming back to apply more layers. It's just like polishing your leather shoes. If you can do that then you can be an artist. The main thing is that it takes time. Also, at least apply a base paint layer to the pieces before you glue them together, or else you will end up with a model where there will be lots of unpainted grey parts that you can't reach because they are in crevices.

how do you do it without spending 8 trillion dollars on toys and paint

Painting a few models like an Ork mech is not expensive. But it adds up the more models you're talking about. Armies are expensive. There is no way around it.

[Finarfin]

I'd say start with bigger models until you get the hang of it and then you go smaller

[Classix]

How do you get into painting the little guys if you have no artistic skills also how do you do it without spending 8 trillion dollars on toys and paint

Hey buddy, I agree with Finny. If you do larger sections or 'bits' like shields and flatter/wider area pieces such as vehicle hulls or even walls, scenery and banners it'll give you a better feel for the application of shades, washes and creating 'battle damage/wear and tear' looks. Then you move onto tinier models with things like belts, buckles, boot lacing and etc as you get used to your brushes. I'd recommend a magnifying desk lamp that lets you see in closer. I started out years ago with the tiny models and I posted some on one of the threads here months ago. Also, you can get tonnes of 'bits' and bulk model pieces and parts off Ebay and such from bulk sellers which is what I did for the Chaos Warriors I have. Lots of arms, weaponry and head pieces for a fraction of the price of boxed official sets. Get yourself a good glue, Gorilla Plastic works just fine and don't bother with official Citadel paints if you can, you can get multiple other color pots from other brands that you can color match fairly well for the look you want. Talk soon man, if you're getting into it I wish you well on the experience.

[DemoGraph]

How do you get into painting the little guys if you have no artistic skills also how do you do it without spending 8 trillion dollars on toys and paint

AI https://youtubesummary.com/summary/Gb-gZksu_Ms

The main issue is that you just need a big table, a lot of newspapers to put on it, and then spend the time putting your materials on the table and sitting down and

removing the cat