Is VTMB or FNV more overrated?

[revenant]

Good survey for filtering *******

[Atlantico]

Good survey for filtering *******

You're a confirmed ******

[revenant]

In case of my statement seeming edgy I'll elaborate.

One is a game made by one of the last mainstream true RPG developer studios and is arguably its magnum opus, oozing atmosphere and with one of the best character and reactivity designs in the history of the genre.

Another is a product of a game studio specialing in sequel design produced by an autistic hack whose biggest accomplishment in life is being allowed to sit in the room that Icewind Dale was made in, using one of the worst looking engines in gaming history.

Take your pick

[Emphyrio]

In case of my statement seeming edgy I'll elaborate.

One is a game made by one of the last mainstream true RPG developer studios and is arguably its magnum opus, oozing atmosphere and with one of the best character and reactivity designs in the history of the genre.

Another is a product of a game studio specialing in sequel design produced by an autistic hack whose biggest accomplishment in life is being allowed to sit in the room that Icewind Dale was made in, using one of the worst looking engines in gaming history.

Take your pick

Why did you vote for FNV then

[Atlantico]

In case of my statement seeming edgy I'll elaborate.

One is a game made by one of the last mainstream true RPG developer studios and is arguably its magnum opus, oozing atmosphere and with one of the best character and reactivity designs in the history of the genre.

Another is a product of a game studio specialing in sequel design produced by an autistic hack whose biggest accomplishment in life is being allowed to sit in the room that Icewind Dale was made in, using one of the worst looking engines in gaming history.

Take your pick

I think both games are very good, whether they're overrated is subjective and I don't care much about Rusty's attempts at creating arguments over nothing.

The amount of SJW cringe in VTMB, which is constantly glossed over, is what made me pick it as the more "overrated" game. That is all.

[revenant]

Why do discussions about almost 20 year old games have to always devolve into SJW topics FFS. Well I guess it's inevitable on a forum of alt *******

[rusty_shackleford]

What is alternative about our retardation?

[revenant]

I was referring to alt right who, since they infested RPGCodex, obviously drained, or, rather, turtled here

[rusty_shackleford]

I was referring to alt right who, since they infested RPGCodex, obviously drained, or, rather, turtled here

The vile alt-right is sabotaging our forum!

[revenant]

Sabotage implies intellectual effort which alt right is incapable of, instead they derail every possible discussion to SJW's and ****

[aweigh]

lol Revenant is an SJW

remember how he was begging Theo to let him call her by a nickname? think it was "princess" or something. What a ******.

[rusty_shackleford]

whether they're overrated is subjective

They're both objectively incredibly overrated.

[revenant]

lol Revenant is an SJW

remember how he was begging Theo to let him call her by a nickname? think it was "princess" or something. What a ******.

I was drinking heavily at that time in my defense

I am not a SJW not even a leftist, I just refuse to discuss everything through a political prism since politics by the meaning of the word is "public deal", and works of art, video games in this case, can be highly individual and much more multifaceted than political doctrines

[Jason Bright]

lol Revenant is an SJW

remember how he was begging Theo to let him call her by a nickname? think it was "princess" or something. What a ******.

I was drinking heavily at that time in my defense

I am not a SJW not even a leftist, I just refuse to discuss everything through a political prism since politics by the meaning of the word is "public deal", and works of art, video games in this case, can be highly individual and much more multifaceted than political doctrines

That's a really childish view. Politics shapes much of your life and if you haven't noticed that in the last decade then I don't know what to say to you.

[revenant]

Even if that's true a true intellectual is able to appreciate works of art of the opposite political camp. Like leftists often still like Ibsen's work or right wingers can appreciate the Stalinist architecture, even if they disagree with the ideology behind those works.

[Atlantico]

Even if that's true a true intellectual is able to appreciate works of art of the opposite political camp. Like leftists often still like Ibsen's work or right wingers can appreciate the Stalinist architecture, even if they disagree with the ideology behind those works.

In a world where SJW and overbearing political correctness was a mere hypothetical, you might have a point. But it isn't, so you don't.

[Segata]

I am not a SJW not even a leftist, I just refuse to discuss everything through a political prism since politics by the meaning of the word is "public deal", and works of art, video games in this case, can be highly individual and much more multifaceted than political doctrines

Time to post it again.

[revenant]

Everything even remotely cool in the 90's and 2000's was made by liberals, deal with it

[Luckmann]

I was referring to alt right who, since they infested RPGCodex, obviously drained, or, rather, turtled here

I'm not rightoid/leftard, but I take offense at the term "turtled". I don't turtle, I hamster.

Everything even remotely cool in the 90's and 2000's was made by liberals, deal with it

By modern standards, they weren't liberals.

That being said, once someone has adopted the Marxist insistence that "everything is politics!", they've lost the plot and abandoned reason, and given up even the pretense of possible opposition.

I am not a SJW not even a leftist, I just refuse to discuss everything through a political prism since politics by the meaning of the word is "public deal", and works of art, video games in this case, can be highly individual and much more multifaceted than political doctrines

Even if that's true a true intellectual is able to appreciate works of art of the opposite political camp. Like leftists often still like Ibsen's work or right wingers can appreciate the Stalinist architecture, even if they disagree with the ideology behind those works.

I would agree in the general sense, but when ideological content is deliberately and consciously injected into games in order to be overtly subversive or to virtue signal in a way that overshadows the art itself, discussing it without addressing that content becomes impossible.

Now I don't think this applies to VTMB at all - it is a faithful projection of the source content and the time in which it was made, and I'd be hard-pressed to point at any aspect of it that was deliberately tweaked to adhere to a specific ideology or set of social mores - but it certainly and absolutely applies to the vast majority of high-profile games released in the last decade-decade and a half.

[1998]

New Vegas, without a doubt.

[Jason Bright]

Everything even remotely cool in the 90's and 2000's was made by liberals, deal with it

The current Republican party is more left wing on immigration, abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism etc than the Democrats of the 90s.
Our culture drifts leftwards; you either accept that and admit your morality is only fashion or you have principles that don't change based on the calendar.

[Luckmann]

The current Republican party is more left wing on immigration, abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism etc than the Democrats of the 90s.

Amerilard politics have always been pathetic, and shouldn't be used as a meaningful yardstick of anything. "Republicans", "Democrats"; they're all democrats to me, and always were.

[Atlantico]

Everything even remotely cool in the 90's and 2000's was made by liberals, deal with it

The current Republican party is more left wing on immigration, abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism etc than the Democrats of the 90s.
Our culture drifts leftwards; you either accept that and admit your morality is only fashion or you have principles that don't change based on the calendar.

Stalin banned faggotry.
Hitler tolerated faggotry.
Franco banned faggotry, immigration, abortion, transgenderism etc.

By your measure Hitler was the leftie, Stalin was a centrist and Franco was alt-right.

[Red7]

least neurotic fnv fan

u cant say game is bad just cause some jewtube shill soybelly who will peddle whatever garbage it gets him soyviews covers it.

fnv was pretty woke game, clunky game. but thoughful, meaningful and consequential.

for example, i killed house cause he was planning space exploration in next 100 years or so even tho humans are animals who had not figured out non authority based population control (that was before hormonal castration and futa **** epidemy we got now). u dont export garbage like that into space, its not ethical.
treating vagina like catte, thats ethical. but then again caesar was of pro waggie/job market and anti deflationary technology ******.

plot does not make good or bad movie or game. its the philosophy. "advanced" philosphy has been outlawed from corporations ergo there wont be good game ever till banking cartel is defuned. till then its at best spin studio.

[Luckmann]

least neurotic fnv fan

u cant say game is bad just cause some jewtube shill soybelly who will peddle whatever garbage it gets him soyviews covers it.

fnv was pretty woke game, clunky game. but thoughful, meaningful and consequential.

for example, i killed house cause he was planning space exploration in next 100 years or so even tho humans are animals who had not figured out non authority based population control (that was before hormonal castration and futa **** epidemy we got now). u dont export garbage like that into space, its not ethical.
treating vagina like catte, thats ethical. but then again caesar was of pro waggie/job market and anti deflationary technology ******.

plot does not make good or bad movie or game. its the philosophy. "advanced" philosphy has been outlawed from corporations ergo there wont be good game ever till banking cartel is defuned. till then its at best spin studio.

Until you learn capitalization and proper punctuation I refuse to read anything you say. "U" is a vowel, not a second-person pronoun.

[Ryzer]

Faggout new ****** is the ultimate overrated "software", and yes I maintain the quotes since it's hardly a software but more of a living bug embodied as a program.
Also Chris's writing in the game is garbage: Veronica the wasteland SJW, Lanius the **** whose sacrifices everything only to drops everything after a few skill-checks passed, and other overrated characters.
Combat is atrociously bad as well.

Vampires wins by default because it's not a bug but a software.

[Atlantico]

Faggout new ****** is the ultimate overrated "software", and yes I maintain the quotes since it's hardly a software but more of a living bug embodied as a program.
Also Chris's writing in the game is garbage: Veronica the wasteland SJW, Lanius the **** whose sacrifices everything only to drops everything after a few skill-checks passed, and other overrated characters.
Combat is atrociously bad as well.

Vampires wins by default because it's not a bug but a software.

Imagine saying with such confidence that VtMB isn't the quintessential example of an untested and buggy mess of a game

[Luckmann]

Faggout new ****** is the ultimate overrated "software", and yes I maintain the quotes since it's hardly a software but more of a living bug embodied as a program.
Also Chris's writing in the game is garbage: Veronica the wasteland SJW, Lanius the **** whose sacrifices everything only to drops everything after a few skill-checks passed, and other overrated characters.
Combat is atrociously bad as well.

Vampires wins by default because it's not a bug but a software.

Imagine saying with such confidence that VtMB isn't the quintessential example of an untested and buggy mess of a game

Reminder that Bloodlines was released with a bug that made the game literally impossible to finish. I love VTMB, but it, much like Arcanum, was and is a ******* mess.

Man, Troika could've been something really grand with some more time, money, and less ******** publishers.

[POOPERSCOOPER]

Even when I played Vampire on release I felt like "**** this could be one of the best games ever if the combat wasn't complete dog ****". I tried playing it recently and felt the same way. Super floaty movement and combat, maybe I just never played it right. Everything else was amazing. Same kind of applies to Arcanum but I felt like that combat was actually a lot better.

[Kalin]

Shut the **** up.