DemoGraph wrote: β
April 26th, 2025, 06:08
That wasn't the point of my criticism.
My point was that I think that the criteria of wokeness in that list are so vague, they degrade to "everything I don't like is woke". It's completely analogous to woketards spewing stuff like "everything white is bigoted", radfem "all **** carriers are guilty since birth" or generic "anyone I don't like is Hitler".
It was your point, so I'll concede I missed it. If you want a specific definition of woke, I would say something along the lines of: anything that attempts to promote or normalize deviant sexual, gender, familial or racial behavior, or to promote or normalize liberalism.
βΊ Examples
Examples of deviant sexual behavior:
Homosexuality
Transsexuality
Sodomy (cocksucking etc)
Examples of deviant gender behavior:
Girlbossery (girls in the vast majority up to all leadership positions)
Physical gender parity
Emotional or mental gender subversion (guys in touch with feelings, girls coldly logical)
Examples of deviant familial behavior:
Single-parent families
Mixed-race parent families
Homosexual parentage families
Examples of deviant racial behavior:
Portrayals of unsupported or false racial diversity (Starfield 50% Blaxicanisian, Musa in KCD2)
Wakandans (Wakanda, Musa in KCD2)
Examples of liberalism:
Hyper-equality (all people are physically, spiritually and emotionally exactly the same in all ways, differences can be accounted for solely based on external material forces)
Exclusively merit-based society (people judged solely on the basis of their accomplishments and deeds)
"Anyone I don't like is Hitler" is a meme that was used to great effect to attack libtards. Like all good memes it has a great deal of truth to it, which makes it hard to combat. It's a simple, catchy description of human nature. Since libtards explicitly screech against human nature ("we're TOLERANT, we're INCLUSIVE"), this simple pointing out of the inherent contradiction between what they scream against vs. how they behave drove them absolutely up the wall. So we keep using it. But it doesn't work in reverse (at least, not on me) because it doesn't point out a contradiction in my behavior or thoughts.
Sure, anyone I don't like is demonic. Thank heavens, I happen to be right! That's become more and more the key to me: you're going to hate someone (or something), so you need to make sure the target of hatred is correctly defined. Feel free to point to examples of healthy governance where this is not the case.
You may actually note that the meme is becoming less and less effective as time goes on, as libtards are pulled kicking and screaming away from liberalism or hyperchristianity - there really are things they hate, they really shouldn't worship tolerance or inclusion, and those that fight against them are dangerous and should be treated as such. In a strange way, you might say that the Right is forcing the Left to be more and more based
DemoGraph wrote: β
April 26th, 2025, 06:45
that Marx wasn't woke. Because frankfurters and modern marxists contradict Marx.
I'm reiterating that you guys have problems with definitions.
No True Communist! Ironically I can sympathize. No True Christian!
The only way your gotchas re: Julius Caesar etc are actually traps is if you completely ignore the prior I gave in my response:
Is Caesar's homosexuality portrayed as a fact of Roman elite life? Not necessarily woke.
Is Caesar's homosexuality portrayed as justification, glorification or normalization of homosexuality per se? Woke. As for that, so for the others in the list.
DemoGraph wrote: β
April 26th, 2025, 13:09
Because Russian and Austrian emperors had limited tech development in their empires to slow down expansion of merchant power.
Christians in general and Catholics in particular had laws against usury. And for the major part of history Christians had adhered to doctrine of "justified price" that made trading for profit and capitalist activities inherently sinful.
If they did it specifically for that reason they were beyond idiots - they should have just put them all up against the wall.
Christianity has never defined capitalism as inherently sinful, egads, what are you talking about? Capital by its definition exists for good use. I suppose they would have a problem with the modern capitalist system, but so what? I do too, in many ways. It doesn't make me anti-capitalist.
DemoGraph wrote: β
April 26th, 2025, 13:09
It's not only about HOMM. You can take pretty much any oldschool game and find something undesirable in it. Except Pacman. And Tetris (except that it's a commie game).
Yes indeed, witness Rusty's attempt to use Arcanum against me when I screech about Baldur's Gate 3, or my newfound disgust with Jeff Vogel after replaying Exile 3 recently. Such is life.
DemoGraph wrote: β
April 26th, 2025, 13:09
I don't know who makes it. And don't care. I react to the product and underlying ideas, not the people. That's why I say things like "you guys".
I know that. I was just giving some context. I also said it's fair, and explained why even with the problems that come with one man maintaining such a massive list, I still like it.
He does not contradict me, apparently you just forgot to read the portion of my response I put in bold above. The intent behind the portrayal matters as well.
DemoGraph wrote: β
April 26th, 2025, 13:09
isn't woke. Because Caesar uses his property according to societal norms.
It also means that, e.g. contraception and abortions aren't woke, at least sometimes. And transgenderism, if it's not political, but a personal choice, probably isn't woke. I don't know whether you would agree with it.
Already dealt with.