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Finarfin wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:02
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 19:42
JA3 seems to have an improbable number of female mercenaries

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Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:19
Finarfin wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:02
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 19:42
JA3 seems to have an improbable number of female mercenaries

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32 Male Mercenaries
10 Female Mercenaries
Ratio is pretty much the same as the previous entry.
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Yes, some of the mercs are just people from the previous games it seems.

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Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:19
Finarfin wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:02
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 19:42
JA3 seems to have an improbable number of female mercenaries

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32 Male Mercenaries
10 Female Mercenaries
Ratio is pretty much the same as the previous entry.
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That's not even close to the total JA2 roster. This is 1.13, I can't find a similar spreadsheet for vanilla JA2 but the gender ratio doesn't change much either way.

16 female, 114 male from a quick look. And I don't know if this is even the full roster.

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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:35
That's not even close to the total JA2 roster. This is 1.13, I can't find a similar spreadsheet for vanilla JA2 but the gender ratio doesn't change much either way.
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Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 21:31
>mods
Into the trash it goes.
JA2+UB has 10 females and 62 males…
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I mean this nonsensical "90s woke" argument never made any sense but for the purpose of the curated list which is way more stringent than Twigs one this is not even the question.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 21:36
Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 21:31
>mods
Into the trash it goes.
JA2+UB has 10 females and 62 males…
I reinstalled Unfinished Business counted 43 men and 9 women. I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.

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Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 22:00
I reinstalled Unfinished Business counted 43 men and 9 women. I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.
The spreadsheet in my post. You can crosscheck the wiki, you don't have access to all the mercs.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 22:01
The spreadsheet in my post. You can crosscheck the wiki, you don't have access to all the mercs.
This mod of yours is using every mercenary from every Jagged Alliance game from JA1 to Deadly Games to JA2 and its expansions and the SOG'69 mod. That's not an actual game that Sir-Tech made and of course a new game isn't going to have a roster like that.
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1.13.

In UB you can see everyone you can hire from the start; random people will be out an a different assignment though, but it shows that.
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Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 22:23
1.13.

In UB you can see everyone you can hire from the start; random people will be out an a different assignment though, but it shows that.
1.13 adds mercs from the other games, I filtered those out.
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Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 22:23
In UB you can see everyone you can hire from the start; random people will be out an a different assignment though, but it shows that.
It doesn't(shouldn't?) have the RPCs
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:35
Roguey wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:19
Finarfin wrote: December 22nd, 2024, 20:02


32 Male Mercenaries
10 Female Mercenaries
Ratio is pretty much the same as the previous entry.
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That's not even close to the total JA2 roster. This is 1.13, I can't find a similar spreadsheet for vanilla JA2 but the gender ratio doesn't change much either way.
16 female, 114 male from a quick look. And I don't know if this is even the full roster.

Even if it's not, that's still enough to warrant a change in rating. I read the biographies for all the female mercenaries and most of them are absurd feminist fantasies. Jagged Alliance 2 and 3 have been updated to not recommended and Jagged Alliance 1 has been added as not recommended.

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Makes me glad to never have played any Jagged Alliance.
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The first game is good, but the controls are repetitive.
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Jagged Alliance 2 is the best tactical rpg by far, no competition. :)
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Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:10
Jagged Alliance 2 is the best tactical rpg by far, no competition. :)
It can't be the best tactical rpg if it's not an rpg
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:11
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:10
Jagged Alliance 2 is the best tactical rpg by far, no competition. :)
It can't be the best tactical rpg if it's not an rpg
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Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:14
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:11
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:10
Jagged Alliance 2 is the best tactical rpg by far, no competition. :)
It can't be the best tactical rpg if it's not an rpg
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Long history of games calling themselves RPG because it's one of the more lucrative genres. See also: disco communism
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:15
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:14
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:11


It can't be the best tactical rpg if it's not an rpg
https://www.mobygames.com/game/356/jagg ... over-4745/
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https://www.mobygames.com/game/356/jagg ... over-4746/
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Long history of games calling themselves RPG because it's one of the more lucrative genres. See also: disco communism
Especially around that time all kind of games got relabeled as RPGs, or XXX game with RPG elements. Essentially any game that added some sort of character progression besides just adding new equipment.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:15
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:14
rusty_shackleford wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:11


It can't be the best tactical rpg if it's not an rpg
https://www.mobygames.com/game/356/jagg ... over-4745/
"The role-playing strategy game of 1999"
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https://www.mobygames.com/game/356/jagg ... over-4746/
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Long history of games calling themselves RPG because it's one of the more lucrative genres. See also: disco communism
It has everything that makes up an RPG. You can create your own merc, leveling, NPCs to talk to and get sidequests from, the choice of acting friendly, direct, or threatening.
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1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:19
Especially around that time all kind of games got relabeled as RPGs, or XXX game with RPG elements. Essentially any game that added some sort of character progression besides just adding new equipment.
The first Jagged Alliance also called itself a role-playing game and this was in 1995 when every game journalist was saying RPGs were a dead genre (nothing but ****** Dungeon Master clones for the most part, no big hits for years).
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Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:22
1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:19
Especially around that time all kind of games got relabeled as RPGs, or XXX game with RPG elements. Essentially any game that added some sort of character progression besides just adding new equipment.
The first Jagged Alliance also called itself a role-playing game and this was in 1995 when every game journalist was saying RPGs were a dead genre (nothing but ****** Dungeon Master clones for the most part, no big hits for years).
I don't remember, it's possible I guess. But if we are to compare box art

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1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:29
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:22
1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:19
Especially around that time all kind of games got relabeled as RPGs, or XXX game with RPG elements. Essentially any game that added some sort of character progression besides just adding new equipment.
The first Jagged Alliance also called itself a role-playing game and this was in 1995 when every game journalist was saying RPGs were a dead genre (nothing but ****** Dungeon Master clones for the most part, no big hits for years).
I don't remember, it's possible I guess. But if we are to compare box art

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Amusingly appears to have been advertised as an RPG in USA and a strategy game in the UK, likely reflecting market sensibilities.
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1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:29
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:22
1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:19
Especially around that time all kind of games got relabeled as RPGs, or XXX game with RPG elements. Essentially any game that added some sort of character progression besides just adding new equipment.
The first Jagged Alliance also called itself a role-playing game and this was in 1995 when every game journalist was saying RPGs were a dead genre (nothing but ****** Dungeon Master clones for the most part, no big hits for years).
I don't remember, it's possible I guess. But if we are to compare box art

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That's the 1994 floppy release. With the CD re-release they emphasized the role-playing elements https://www.mobygames.com/game/1038/jag ... er-319468/ https://www.mobygames.com/game/1038/jag ... er-319469/
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Modern assassins creed games being cold RPG by developers but it doesn't make them rpg games. It is bad practice to trust developers on genre of a game.
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: December 24th, 2024, 05:25
Modern assassins creed games being cold RPG by developers but it doesn't make them rpg games.
Odyssey is about as much of an RPG as Witcher 3, as it's very close to Witcher 3 in most ways.
Some think Witcher 3 isn't much of one at all… I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it definitely is close to "action game with RPG elements".
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1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:29
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:22

The first Jagged Alliance also called itself a role-playing game and this was in 1995 when every game journalist was saying RPGs were a dead genre (nothing but ****** Dungeon Master clones for the most part, no big hits for years).
I don't remember, it's possible I guess. But if we are to compare box art

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"Strategic Simulation"
RPGs are a subset of simulations, so that doesn't really preclude its being an RPG.
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WhiteShark wrote: December 24th, 2024, 05:31
1998 wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:29
Roguey wrote: December 24th, 2024, 02:22

The first Jagged Alliance also called itself a role-playing game and this was in 1995 when every game journalist was saying RPGs were a dead genre (nothing but ****** Dungeon Master clones for the most part, no big hits for years).
I don't remember, it's possible I guess. But if we are to compare box art

Image

"Strategic Simulation"
RPGs are a subset of simulations, so that doesn't really preclude its being an RPG.
They walk hand and hand, just read the old 80s gaming mags.