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Dragon Ageβ’: The Veilguard is a Return To Form
Well, it is over folks, most people agree... it is a "return to form".
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At least Halsin gave you a "No, **** this, I'm out of here" option. Failguard actively stops your from escaping the madness. It's like the devs anticipated that the players would try to kill off their precious snowflakes.
At least Baldur's Gate 3 had some merit and was somewhat comparable in gameplay to its predecessors. Dragon Age: The Veilguard looks like a Hogwarts Legacy knockoff, a far cry from the first three games which were not action RPGs. So of course it's getting controversy and unfavorable comparisons to Baldur's Gate 3 which only launched a year ago.
And to the reviewers that say this game is a return to form, that's clearly an attempt at deception.
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The first three games were already very different to each other. DA4 fits perfectly in that lineup, logical next step from DAITag365 wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:57At least Baldur's Gate 3 had some merit and was somewhat comparable in gameplay to its predecessors. Dragon Age: The Veilguard looks like a Hogwarts Legacy knockoff, a far cry from the first three games which were not action RPGs. So of course it's getting controversy and unfavorable comparisons to Baldur's Gate 3 which only launched a year ago.
And to the reviewers that say this game is a return to form, that's clearly an attempt at deception.
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At its core, it isn't a bad game (though a there are some issues with it on the purely objective game mechanic front) and that is due to Larians experience and design.Tag365 wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:57At least Baldur's Gate 3 had some merit and was somewhat comparable in gameplay to its predecessors. Dragon Age: The Veilguard looks like a Hogwarts Legacy knockoff, a far cry from the first three games which were not action RPGs. So of course it's getting controversy and unfavorable comparisons to Baldur's Gate 3 which only launched a year ago.
Also, people who compare its success are dismissing the nefarious nature of its release. Many will attest to the fact that EA vs Release are very different in many ways and they hid many aspects (also changing many things for release) of those changes. Not to mention, EA was Act 1 and while it is still infested with the politics, many people "tolerated" it due to game play. Act 2/3 are horrible on pretty much all fronts and full on troonism politics, but obviously by that time people had already committed.
If it weren't for the work of modders ripping out a lot of the garbage, I don't think the "aftertaste" of BG3 release would have set well with most people (and it still doesn't for many).
The whole narrative of BG3 being an acceptance of Woke is just more echo speak of cope that the ****** use to lie to themselves about their work which is why without the key elements/circumstances of BG3's release, these games are flopping hard.
It's simple: BG3 can be (already is) improved by mods to the fully playable state. That abomination - can not, you need to re-write the full game including mechanics.
A polished turd is still a turd.
A polished turd is still a turd.
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There is also another aspect to to why Larian succeed where Bioware failed. Larian actually gave the players what they wanted. For better or worse. When people began making mods for BG3 Larian made a mod kit for them saying; "You want to mod our games? Go ahead. Here is a mod kit. Go nuts!" This got Larian a lot of good will. It helps that Larian doesn't really seem to give a **** what people mod into their games or mod out. Bioware has had none of that good will with players given that they ****** it away during Mass Effect 3 because how dare you criticize their genius endings. You think Bioware is going to allow Nexus mods to host mods that gets rid of all the ****** **** in the game? Hell no! They probably called Dark0ne first thing this morning telling that ****** Brit to make sure nobody makes mods that cut out the pronoun lecture. Also, if there is any anti-LGBTQ mods that make it on here you **** well know that the ****** at Bioware will throw a fit.Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:06At its core, it isn't a bad game (though a there are some issues with it on the purely objective game mechanic front) and that is due to Larians experience and design.Tag365 wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:57At least Baldur's Gate 3 had some merit and was somewhat comparable in gameplay to its predecessors. Dragon Age: The Veilguard looks like a Hogwarts Legacy knockoff, a far cry from the first three games which were not action RPGs. So of course it's getting controversy and unfavorable comparisons to Baldur's Gate 3 which only launched a year ago.
Also, people who compare its success are dismissing the nefarious nature of its release. Many will attest to the fact that EA vs Release are very different in many ways and they hid many aspects (also changing many things for release) of those changes. Not to mention, EA was Act 1 and while it is still infested with the politics, many people "tolerated" it due to game play. Act 2/3 are horrible on pretty much all fronts and full on troonism politics, but obviously by that time people had already committed.
If it weren't for the work of modders ripping out a lot of the garbage, I don't think the "aftertaste" of BG3 release would have set well with most people (and it still doesn't for many).
The whole narrative of BG3 being an acceptance of Woke is just more echo speak of cope that the ****** use to lie to themselves about their work which is why without the key elements/circumstances of BG3's release, these games are flopping hard.
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But products of your culture says otherwise! Judging by movies, cartoons and news of this period, you westoids bullied random people to death with no big reason, just for fun. Tabletop nerds, videogame nerds, book nerds weren't left alone, they were bullied, sometimes till suicide.Kalarion wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:08How old are you? I feel like you didn't live through the late 80s-early 90s. TLDR from that period; that's what people did. It does not appear to be working.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 09:33You don't need bullying for this, responsible parenting is enough. If you want to prevent kinds from social contagions, things like boyscouts is a good tool when done right. By bullying people and outcasting them out of society, you create modern society full of this outcasts who highly individual, lonely, they need less money to live, so they replace you, who need more money than them and now they bullying you in response. If you just leave them alone in their "club", you wouldn't have any problem.Luckmann wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 08:12I agree on the first part, but bullying absolutely help prevent social contagions. Shame is a strong enforcer of social cohesion, historically.
Talking about the Boy Scouts as a good tool for child development in Current Year is just plain ******** though.
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And that's a good thing. Look how every single one of those niches have been destroyed by being normalized.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:44Tabletop nerds, videogame nerds, book nerds weren't left alone, they were bullied, sometimes till suicide.
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This funny, bg3 mod publishing website TOS specifically states what you can not make mod that offend ****** and other lgtv. So much for "don't giving ****".RangerBoo wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:40It helps that Larian doesn't really seem to give a **** what people mod into their games or mod out.
Programming is not culture.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:44But products of your culture says otherwise! Judging by movies, cartoons and news of this period, you westoids bullied random people to death with no big reason, just for fun. Tabletop nerds, videogame nerds, book nerds weren't left alone, they were bullied, sometimes till suicide.Kalarion wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:08How old are you? I feel like you didn't live through the late 80s-early 90s. TLDR from that period; that's what people did. It does not appear to be working.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 09:33
You don't need bullying for this, responsible parenting is enough. If you want to prevent kinds from social contagions, things like boyscouts is a good tool when done right. By bullying people and outcasting them out of society, you create modern society full of this outcasts who highly individual, lonely, they need less money to live, so they replace you, who need more money than them and now they bullying you in response. If you just leave them alone in their "club", you wouldn't have any problem.
Talking about the Boy Scouts as a good tool for child development in Current Year is just plain ******** though.
That thumbnail looks like a parody of Dragon Age, yet apparently that's a real screenshot of the game.
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This is so stupid statement that I'm not gonna even commenting on it. If you think that normalization of a hobby killed it, than you will never understand anything what I say. It is all **** fault, by the way.logincrash wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:49And that's a good thing. Look how every single one of those niches have been destroyed by being normalized.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:44Tabletop nerds, videogame nerds, book nerds weren't left alone, they were bullied, sometimes till suicide.
Tag365 wrote: ↑ October 31st, 2024, 11:26Apparently Varric was confirmed to be stabbed and killed in the prologue.
Lucky *******—he checked out before he became part of Dragon Gay IV and had to call Taash they/them unless if he wanted to do pushups
jebacdrkac wrote: ↑ June 9th, 2024, 17:44i have a feeling that companion monstrosity from thumbnail is gonna be no binary
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What do you mean? Who programmed westoids to bully other westoids with niche interests in entertainment?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:57Programming is not culture.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:44But products of your culture says otherwise! Judging by movies, cartoons and news of this period, you westoids bullied random people to death with no big reason, just for fun. Tabletop nerds, videogame nerds, book nerds weren't left alone, they were bullied, sometimes till suicide.Kalarion wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:08
How old are you? I feel like you didn't live through the late 80s-early 90s. TLDR from that period; that's what people did. It does not appear to be working.
Talking about the Boy Scouts as a good tool for child development in Current Year is just plain ******** though.
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Is this a joke, bot farm glich or people really that stupid that they liked it?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:56Well, it is over folks, most people agree... it is a "return to form".
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What I am saying is programming isn't an accurate representation of the culture, it is the narrative pushed to represent it.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:03What do you mean? Who programmed westoids to bully other westoids with niche interests in entertainment?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:57Programming is not culture.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 14:44
But products of your culture says otherwise! Judging by movies, cartoons and news of this period, you westoids bullied random people to death with no big reason, just for fun. Tabletop nerds, videogame nerds, book nerds weren't left alone, they were bullied, sometimes till suicide.
It may have an effect on some of the culture and pushed as representative (ie as you can see now with troonism), but that doesn't mean the people actually accept it or that it is an accurate representation of that culture.
People got bullied in school, but the serious cases were that of kids who are seriously contrary to the norm (ie ****, extreme wierdos, etc...). Not simply loners (though this is natural for a kid who isn't part of the group to get picked on, kids do this naturally), but the cases where you see movies, cartoons exemplify it as if it is the status of the culture is heavily influenced by the "programming".
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Its a joke post mocking the narrative pushed by the jurnos. The game is failing, they tried to manipulate people, the people know it and there is a backlash.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:05Is this a joke, bot farm glich or people really that stupid that they liked it?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:56Well, it is over folks, most people agree... it is a "return to form".
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What is the point of programming your own culture and other cultures?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:07What I am saying is programming isn't an accurate representation of the culture, it is the narrative pushed to represent it.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:03What do you mean? Who programmed westoids to bully other westoids with niche interests in entertainment?
It may have an effect on some of the culture and pushed as representative (ie as you can see now with troonism), but that doesn't mean the people actually accept it or that it is an accurate representation of that culture.
People got bullied in school, but the serious cases were that of kids who are seriously contrary to the norm (ie ****, extreme wierdos, etc...). Not simply loners (though this is natural for a kid who isn't part of the group to get picked on, kids do this naturally), but the cases where you see movies, cartoons exemplify it as if it is the status of the culture is heavily influenced by the "programming".
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Let's hope that this will lead to something, not like with as: Valhalla, as:origin and alike.Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:09Its a joke post mocking the narrative pushed by the jurnos. The game is failing, they tried to manipulate people, the people know it and there is a backlash.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:05Is this a joke, bot farm glich or people really that stupid that they liked it?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 13:56Well, it is over folks, most people agree... it is a "return to form".
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Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:10What is the point of programming your own culture and other cultures?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:07What I am saying is programming isn't an accurate representation of the culture, it is the narrative pushed to represent it.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:03
What do you mean? Who programmed westoids to bully other westoids with niche interests in entertainment?
It may have an effect on some of the culture and pushed as representative (ie as you can see now with troonism), but that doesn't mean the people actually accept it or that it is an accurate representation of that culture.
People got bullied in school, but the serious cases were that of kids who are seriously contrary to the norm (ie ****, extreme wierdos, etc...). Not simply loners (though this is natural for a kid who isn't part of the group to get picked on, kids do this naturally), but the cases where you see movies, cartoons exemplify it as if it is the status of the culture is heavily influenced by the "programming".
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As you can guess, I'm not from us, so I need explanation.Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:13seriously.gifFaceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:10What is the point of programming your own culture and other cultures?Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:07
What I am saying is programming isn't an accurate representation of the culture, it is the narrative pushed to represent it.
It may have an effect on some of the culture and pushed as representative (ie as you can see now with troonism), but that doesn't mean the people actually accept it or that it is an accurate representation of that culture.
People got bullied in school, but the serious cases were that of kids who are seriously contrary to the norm (ie ****, extreme wierdos, etc...). Not simply loners (though this is natural for a kid who isn't part of the group to get picked on, kids do this naturally), but the cases where you see movies, cartoons exemplify it as if it is the status of the culture is heavily influenced by the "programming".
I'm playing it right now and it's not that bad
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What kind of a ******* question is that? Entertainment and education were the among the first fields infiltrated by the *****. Programming other cultures is what they do.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:10What is the point of programming your own culture and other cultures?
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It is something that has been done in various ways throughout history to shape public opinion.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:15As you can guess, I'm not from us, so I need explanation.Xenich wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:13seriously.gifFaceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:10
What is the point of programming your own culture and other cultures?
I don't care where you live, it is being done to you as well. It can be anything from how they control the news, what elements of entertainment, societal norms they promote, etc...
Healthy nations will often promote good standards in its public, while others will promote a means to develop control or manipulate opinion.
Enemy nations will use such to influence other countries to cause disruptions, strife and conflict.
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Get the feeling that reviewers don't quite understand what a 70/100 is
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If you don't, someone else will and gladly.logincrash wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:18What kind of a ******* question is that? Entertainment and education were the among the first fields infiltrated by the *****. Programming other cultures is what they do.Faceless_Sentinel wrote: β October 31st, 2024, 15:10What is the point of programming your own culture and other cultures?
