Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is a Return To Form

[gerey]

He's not saying his bosses were bigots, just that they had monetary concerns

I wasn't implying that they were bigots, just that Gayder is ******** ****** with cum for brain.

We had no data to test that out

They have had the data for literal decades. Even during the Mass Effect 3 era, after years of propaganda trying to drum up support from "not those people", 80% of players still picked Male Shepard as their avatar. The remaining 20% that picked the female option were either coomers or ******.

Veilguard is the ultimate expression of "I don't want to make a game for those people."

And it shows. Oh, does it show.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

"I wanted to add ******* to the game despite ******* being a minuscule minority and the fact their presence would alienate far more costumers than it would attract, and BIGOTS at the company dared object!"

I hope every homosexual on this globe gets rounded up and stoned to death. Cockroaches, the lot of them.

Would be nice to see actual data for this, I believe there is enough stupidity in mass consumer to who wouldn't notice difference in writing between normal and universalized romances and decline in quality as a result.

[gerey]

actual data for this

[ArcaneLurker]

This ****** openly said that he wanted to add women and lgtv to paying customer base but do not want to spend money and effort to offer them compelling romance! Instead he declared that homosexuals and heterosexuals build their relationship in the same way and saved tons of money on production!

The most hilarious of all this is the fact that women and lgtv accepted this impersonal and universalized something and asked for more! They defend this approach! Do they have any self-respect at all?

Gaider's pretty matter-of-fact about production realities. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/david- ... ape-sequel

“It’s hard, especially for the younger audience today, to think of what it was like back then in the early 00s,” he adds. “Even when we started Dragon: Age Origins, on many levels, there was a lot of trepidation. I had a character I wanted to make gay - Zevran, the assassin. And they were still going, ‘Oh, well, you know that’s a really small part of the audience, so if we’re going to do that much content for it let’s make him bisexual at least’. So he can do double duty.”

He also ultimately decided that having all companions be player/bisexual was the wrong decision https://www.shacknews.com/article/10347 ... gs?page=15

When I talk about blowback, I'm not just talking about the Gamergate crap either. We probably got as much, if not more, from the social justice crowd. We got it from both sides. Even after Dragon Age Inquisition came out, saying that characters had sexuality and that you might not be able to romance them? Well, of a sudden it was, "I'm a lesbian player and I can't romance Cassandra? How dare you! How dare you, BioWare, not make her available [to me]?" There's a certain amount of entitlement on both sides.

I tend to think that on the social justice side, they're coming at it from a different direction in terms of, they don't get this kind of content very much, so they're coming at it maybe from a position of need. But there's still entitlement. As far as how the writers felt about it, we liked the agency of characters who decided for themselves. The player-sexuality left a bad taste in our mouths. So, yeah, you're right, that's why we eventually moved away from that. But at the time, during Dragon Age 2, it seemed like a good idea.

I recall seeing him recoil at the news that everyone in Veilguard was pansexual, can't be bothered to look it up though.

I also come at it from a place of need...
I NEED them to all die so I can live a quiet & peaceful life.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

actual data for this

You proving my and Gayder point: 82% of male gamers were satisfied with universal style of writing romances despite they are objectively worse. The amount of people who were not satisfied and don't buy game because of this was smaller and overwhelmed by who okay with it + woman and lgtv, to whom this style of writing ment to be appealing. Free market voted.

[rusty_shackleford]

actual data for this

You proving my and Gayder point: 82% of male gamers were satisfied with universal style of writing romances despite they are objectively worse. The amount of people who were not satisfied and don't buy game because of this was smaller and overwhelmed by who okay with it + woman and lgtv, to whom this style of writing ment to be appealing. Free market voted.

Mass Effect had way less gay stuff, it was by design marketed towards the xbro market.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

You proving my and Gayder point: 82% of male gamers were satisfied with universal style of writing romances despite they are objectively worse. The amount of people who were not satisfied and don't buy game because of this was smaller and overwhelmed by who okay with it + woman and lgtv, to whom this style of writing ment to be appealing. Free market voted.

Mass Effect had way less gay stuff, it was by design marketed towards the xbro market.

I agree. What is xbro?

[rusty_shackleford]

You proving my and Gayder point: 82% of male gamers were satisfied with universal style of writing romances despite they are objectively worse. The amount of people who were not satisfied and don't buy game because of this was smaller and overwhelmed by who okay with it + woman and lgtv, to whom this style of writing ment to be appealing. Free market voted.

Mass Effect had way less gay stuff, it was by design marketed towards the xbro market.

I agree. What is xbro?

Average Xbox owner skews even more male and heterosexual than the average gamer, and Xbox was the primary platform for mass effect games.

[rusty_shackleford]

The truth is the devs always hated their audience and wanted a new one.

[ArcaneLurker]

The truth is the devs always hated their audience and wanted a new one.

Simps.

[Roguey]

Mass Effect had way less gay stuff, it was by design marketed towards the xbro market.

Yeah, Liara/Kelly Chambers aside (which was hot bisexual content for straight men) it truly started creeping in with 3.

https://blog.bioware.com/2012/05/07/sam ... -effect-3/

PW: Liara’s relationship in Lair of the Shadow Broker can be with players of either gender, so I was familiar with writing dialog that needed to work for a same-sex romance. Nevertheless, I’m a straight white male – pretty much the living embodiment of the Patriarchy – and I really wanted to avoid writing something that people saw and went, “That’s a straight guy writing lesbians for other straight guys to look at.”

I also really wanted the romance with Traynor to be positive. One of my gay friends has this kind of sad hobby in which she watches every lesbian movie she can find, trying to find ones that actually end up with the women not either dying or breaking up. I think the most positive one she’s found is “D.E.B.S.” I wanted to avoid any kind of tragic heartbreak, to make this a fundamentally life-affirming relationship… at least, as much as possible within Mass Effect 3’s grim war story.

DE: I shared the concerns Patrick had about writing something that felt real. I’ve never been romantic with another guy, so I couldn’t write from personal experience. Also, there seemed to be extra pitfalls associated with a male same-sex romance. Some players have concerns over being “ninja romanced” – where a relationship shifts from friendly to romantic to the player’s surprise – and those concerns seem greater for same-sex romances.

PW: I remember hearing someone complain about getting “ambushed” by the same-sex romance with Sky in Jade Empire. Really, though, if you gay-romanced Sky, I’m pretty sure you did it on purpose. You had to dig for that one.

DE: I wanted to make sure that my writing fit into the Mass Effect universe and supported the themes of Mass Effect 3. Keeping Cortez grounded and focusing on the journey shared with Shepard is a foundation that I hope leads to a real attraction.

PW: I worked hard to create a character who addressed her lesbian identity in a positive and intelligent way. My first draft of Traynor’s pitch was all about how her character arc would be about identifying and overcoming the challenges of being gay… and my friends and managers called me on it. I’d been so focused on writing something positive that I hadn’t made a real-enough character. So in the next draft (closer to how she shipped), the focus was on her as a mostly lighthearted fish out of water, a very smart lab tech trying to adjust to life on the front lines, with her identity as a lesbian present but not shouted from the rooftops.

DE: I believe that by the 22nd century, declaring your gender preference will be about as profound as saying, “I like blondes.” It will just be an accepted part of who we are. So I tried to write a meaningful human relationship that just happens to be between two men.

PW: Yeah. If I’ve done my job right, I’ve made Traynor a character that people in the LGBT community will like not because we happened to put a gay character in the game, but because she’s a great character even if you never romance her.

("I’m a straight white male – pretty much the living embodiment of the Patriarchy" - Weekes was a gigantic ****** even back then, I can see why he'd want to transition into a pansexual still-white enby)

But 3 also had thotted up Ashley and cameltoe EDI so it was still very much a series for the lads, weren't at "We don't want to make games for THOSE people" yet unlike the far more effeminate Dragon Age.

[rusty_shackleford]

[rusty_shackleford]

Some players have concerns over being “ninja romanced” – where a relationship shifts from friendly to romantic to the player’s surprise – and those concerns seem greater for same-sex romances.

(those players were right)

[rusty_shackleford]

Chuds out in full force


It's so cool that gaben lets us tag games on steam as gay games made by *******.

[Rand]

"I had a character I wanted to make gay - Zevran, the assassin. And they were still going, ‘Oh, well, you know that’s a really small part of the audience, so if we’re going to do that much content for it let’s make him bisexual at least’. So he can do double duty.”

Glad I executed him then. A worthless addition.

[Rand]

We had no data to test that out

They have had the data for literal decades. Even during the Mass Effect 3 era, after years of propaganda trying to drum up support from "not those people", 80% of players still picked Male Shepard as their avatar. The remaining 20% that picked the female option were either coomers or ******.

Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and Baldur's Gate 3 are the latest to be publicly confused by the discord between their own deviant impulses and the reality of the people that play games.

"We made all these cool masculine women and brown characters and queerdo options and the straight white males always choose avatars that look like themselves that they can personally identify with?"
"Don't they know that "straight white male" is the worst identity? Why are they so against identifying as their cultural antagonists? Arrgh, I'm going insane!"
- gamedevs, circa 2016 to present

[rusty_shackleford]

Saw this screenshot again and actually looked at the table.
What the hell are they eating? Did they just get half a loaf of bread? A massive serving of extremely dry brisket?
Why are there just candles burning on the table? They're 'melting' but there's no wax on the table. Who has candles with skull shapes on their dining table?


They just took random props and threw them together for this, didn't they?

[Rand]

Dusty Everman: "Also, there seemed to be extra pitfalls associated with a male same-sex romance. Some players have concerns over being “ninja romanced” – where a relationship shifts from friendly to romantic to the player’s surprise – and those concerns seem greater for same-sex romances."

Are you ******* kidding me? This SURPRISED you? It's obvious to everyone that isn't a borderline deviant.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

"I had a character I wanted to make gay - Zevran, the assassin. And they were still going, ‘Oh, well, you know that’s a really small part of the audience, so if we’re going to do that much content for it let’s make him bisexual at least’. So he can do double duty.”

Glad I executed him then. A worthless addition.

Me to. I was roleplaying badass so much that I didn't wake him up to interrogate.

[Rand]

What the hell are they eating? Did they just get half a loaf of bread? A massive serving of extremely dry brisket?

Thick *** cheese, that looks like ham, on the thickest pita thing I've ever seen. Each enough for many people.
All three are identically laid out, just duplicated and rotated.

Can you tell that the scene arranger has never used candles except maybe decoratively?

[rusty_shackleford]

Dusty Everman: "Also, there seemed to be extra pitfalls associated with a male same-sex romance. Some players have concerns over being “ninja romanced” – where a relationship shifts from friendly to romantic to the player’s surprise – and those concerns seem greater for same-sex romances."

Are you ******* kidding me? This SURPRISED you? It's obvious to everyone that isn't a borderline deviant.

Reminder that heterosexual men have the same reaction to seeing two men kissing as seeing a bucket of maggots, regardless of how they feel about gays.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 17.1328459

[Oyster Sauce]

Saw this screenshot again and actually looked at the table.
What the hell are they eating? Did they just get half a loaf of bread? A massive serving of extremely dry brisket?
Why are there just candles burning on the table? They're 'melting' but there's no wax on the table. Who has candles with skull shapes on their dining table?


They just took random props and threw them together for this, didn't they?

Shut up and eat your 5 whole tomatoes salad with a cherry tomato garnish

[Rand]

How can anyone stand to look at that hideous plastic-skinned "Qunari".
Every aesthetic decision made on her appearance is repellent.

[Acrux]

Saw this screenshot again and actually looked at the table.
What the hell are they eating? Did they just get half a loaf of bread? A massive serving of extremely dry brisket?
Why are there just candles burning on the table? They're 'melting' but there's no wax on the table. Who has candles with skull shapes on their dining table?


They just took random props and threw them together for this, didn't they?

Shut up and eat your 5 whole tomatoes salad with a cherry tomato garnish

Why are they eating off of trenchers, and yet also using forks?

You know, I have a feeling they may not have done proper historical research for this game.

[Xenich]

How can anyone stand to look at that hideous plastic-skinned "Qunari".
Every aesthetic decision made on her appearance is repellent.

That is a her?

[Element]

How can anyone stand to look at that hideous plastic-skinned "Qunari".
Every aesthetic decision made on her appearance is repellent.

That is a her?

non binary

[The_Mask]

non binary

[SoLong]

non binary

I predict that DA:Deadname will cause quite an increase in the non-buy-nary population then.

Honestly though, I'm just confused. Yes, the devs are obviously ****** or the type of gay even other gays would shove into lockers... so why is every character so repellent?

Think about this: if some frustrated **** wants to write a black elf or some incredibly unattractive gay guy wants to write his Chad Thundercock, why the **** is everyone still ugly? Who are these characters designed to appeal to?

I can see why people think that someone like Alistair or Cullen would be attractive because they are conventionally handsome white men, i.e. the type of guys who **** the homecoming queen and wouldn't waste a second thinking about the weird, fey guys looking at them all moon-eyed. Same goes for Morrigan (DA:O at least): obvious crazy you shouldn't stick your **** into but which 95% of guys would do anyway.

DA:I was sketchier (especially on the attractive women front) but I can still see that some desperate soul tried to make the characters visually appealing and succeeded with a few.

But this cast just has me confused. Bioware wrote themselves into a corner with the LGBTWTFBBQC++ pandering so why are they now creating characters even the most desperate, limp-wristed queen wouldn't want to sleep with?

[DDC]

Saw this screenshot again and actually looked at the table.
What the hell are they eating? Did they just get half a loaf of bread? A massive serving of extremely dry brisket?
Why are there just candles burning on the table? They're 'melting' but there's no wax on the table. Who has candles with skull shapes on their dining table?


They just took random props and threw them together for this, didn't they?

Shut up and eat your 5 whole tomatoes salad with a cherry tomato garnish

Be nice or you won't get any Unreal Store asset flips for desert.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Someone got paid real legal tender to write this ****.

BioWare getting shut down can’t happen soon enough.

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