Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is a Return To Form

[fkirenicus]

Same guy btw
viewtopic.php?t=2685-fkirenicus-accepts ... transfolks

And I repeat: that statement was based on the fact that both BBA and NA does not remove all "*******" and "********". Simple as that. But, they do a great job in making the game far better than the vanilla experience is (by reducing the ridiculous amounts of such things in the vanilla game). You utter hypocrite still play the game, even though you do not "accept" said groups in the game - and yet, they still are present. As both orinesque and SniperChris themelves have stated.
You are a ridiculous and hypocrite sorry loon, that's what you are.
And no: I am not asking Rusty to censor. I am asking people here (and that includes myself) to get a ******* grip.
(and for the record: I am not using SniperChris' BBA, I am using orinesque's minimalist atm, because I know there are problems with the original)

[Vergil]

Same guy btw
viewtopic.php?t=2685-fkirenicus-accepts ... transfolks

And I repeat: that statement was based on the fact that both BBA and NA does not remove all "*******" and "********".

Name a single ****** that has been deliberately left in the game and isn't removed once its been brought to orin's attention you disingenuous coward.
As for BBA it's literally an outdated mod that's not supported with updates anymore. I know more than you.

Same guy btw
viewtopic.php?t=2685-fkirenicus-accepts ... transfolks

You utter hypocrite still play the game, even though you do not "accept" said groups in the game - and yet, they still are present.

Your hebrew behavior continues you coping ******. You spent hours in that thread calling anyone who wasn't a moderate "just as bad" as liberals and that it's authoritarian and SJW to not accept "some" ******** and *******. You trying to rewrite history is only aided by the fact no one has the endurance to read through your entire whining thread where the entire forum pushed back against you. Even people you try to name drop don't want to be associated with you.

Same guy btw
viewtopic.php?t=2685-fkirenicus-accepts ... transfolks

You are ridiculous and hypocrite loon, that's what you are.
And no: I am not asking Rusty to censor.

Right right you little disingenuous ****. You're "merely" telling rusty that the people you don't like are the reason payment services are dropping him and saying that what we do doesn't count as free speech. You're so stupid you actually think people can't see what you're blatantly doing.

the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion.

People like me are the huwhite blood cells trying to keep out diseased subversive invaders like you and your half dead immuno compromised bog monster of a wife which causes you to recoil instinctively.

[fkirenicus]

⤴Current Exceptions
If an identity adds to the game/ too embedded in lore / would not be out of place in medieval times it has not been altered.

1. Raphael's er preferences were genuinely funny.
2. Circus dopplegangers - circus freaks and racially rationale for being weird.
3. Alfira and Lakrissa - do not advertise their relationship.
4. Nine-fingers - in criminal underbelly & embedded in DnD lore.

"mmmmmuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh smash da gays and *******! Me no accept game with gays and *******!" ...but still play the game, even if they are present.
Tsk tsk. Hypocrite. Loon.

[logincrash]

⤴Current Exceptions
If an identity adds to the game/ too embedded in lore / would not be out of place in medieval times it has not been altered.

1. Raphael's er preferences were genuinely funny.
2. Circus dopplegangers - circus freaks and racially rationale for being weird.
3. Alfira and Lakrissa - do not advertise their relationship.
4. Nine-fingers - in criminal underbelly & embedded in DnD lore.

"mmmmmuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh smash da gays and *******!" ...but still play the game, even if they are present.
Tsk tsk. Hypocrite. Loon.

I see you conceded every other point.

[Vergil]

⤴Current Exceptions
If an identity adds to the game/ too embedded in lore / would not be out of place in medieval times it has not been altered.

1. Raphael's er preferences were genuinely funny.
2. Circus dopplegangers - circus freaks and racially rationale for being weird.
3. Alfira and Lakrissa - do not advertise their relationship.
4. Nine-fingers - in criminal underbelly & embedded in DnD lore.

"mmmmmuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh smash da gays and *******!" ...but still play the game, even if they are present.
Tsk tsk. Hypocrite. Loon.

So after all that you conviently ignore because you have no response (not that it's stopped you from putting your foot in your mouth before) this is the best you have?
A guy who is basically the devil, circus freaks (which is a really stupid example to use because the explicitly drag queen ringleader HAS been edited), tieflings who are so inconsequential and out of the way most people have to deliberately go out of their way to figure out their implied relationship (and either do nothing or are murdered by the Durge) and a degenerate criminal with established DnD lore not inherent to the game.
You really do just hang yourself with every attempt to deflect don't you? I guess it's practice for when your dumb slut of a wife finally kicks the bucket.

Keep trying to make these gay and reddit insults and attempts at "wit" happen btw it makes you look like a cool sardonic anglo comedian and not like a wince worthy sperg at all

[Nooneatall]

⤴Current Exceptions
If an identity adds to the game/ too embedded in lore / would not be out of place in medieval times it has not been altered.

1. Raphael's er preferences were genuinely funny.
2. Circus dopplegangers - circus freaks and racially rationale for being weird.
3. Alfira and Lakrissa - do not advertise their relationship.
4. Nine-fingers - in criminal underbelly & embedded in DnD lore.

"mmmmmuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh smash da gays and *******!" ...but still play the game, even if they are present.
Tsk tsk. Hypocrite. Loon.

Man it's sad people are even trying to explain internet culture to your boomer beta *** and you still don't get it. Probably can't focus with your wife getting railed next to you.

[fkirenicus]

I see you conceded every other point.

There are some forums I do not bother visiting again, so no - I haven't "conceded" anything. But I won't bother going through it all again, especially since there is no point (we are going in circles enough already).

I wanted to thank the mod creators for their work in making the game playable without real-world identity poltiics **** in it, and I wanted to ask for recommendations from people who who knew what mods I should use to make the game more true to its D&D FR medieval setting roots. And I got that, which has made BG3 actually playable now.

However: I have no need to remove all gays and "*******" or ***** people (the amount NA does remove is IMO enough), but I absolutely do not need them in the game either - unless, as orin says, it is for example embedded in D&D lore. I am a bit of a lore maniac, which is why I've fallen completely off DA now (Bioware themselves have destroyed all that was good with these games and the world of Thedas), and also the reason I am wondering if I should ditch FR for Greyhawk in TTRPG as well. 1e AD&D FR world is good, 5e FR is not.
If there was a complete "whitewashing" mod for BG3 (or other games that I play) that did remove all such things, I would use it, if it made the game experience better. Hence: I will continue to use NA so long as it makes the game better. And it does. Far better.

This site will likely be even more needed in the years (and for the games) to come.

It is as simple as that.

[Vergil]

I see you conceded every other point.

***** people,

[Jordy]

Huh, @Vergil is actually alright I guess.

[gastovski]

Brent Knowles, after he left the company everything went to downhill.

[rusty_shackleford]

I'd tell the jannies to clean this thread up but then I remembered what it's about

[Xenich]

While understandable not liking certain people behaviour, that’s the sacrifice people here are willing to take in having a actual free speech platform and not just a dime dozen social media platforms that censors the **** out of anyone with non progressive/ liberal group think.

Fair enough. Maybe I'm too old (/school) for even the "conservatives" here, who at times behave like a bunch of lobotomized savages (or "*******" as they so eloquently likely would put it).

Civil discourse is for civil people. ****, ******, fems, *******, and those who **** for them are not civil, they are Marxist manipulators trying to control the language to keep the masses from turning on them.

A lot of the problems we have in society today are because white guilt ***** (and their handlers) have removed the normal social backlash that would come to these types without "civil" discourse instructions from the manipulators.

****** is the exact word that is needed for many "*******". Same with "****", "******", etc... the harsh backlash of society is what regulated them to the shadows and curbed moronic behavior before it festered.

It is the concept of an out of control child... the parent that uses "I am disappointed" on a disruptive child who could care less is why this is all out of control. Sometimes, the child needs a good *** kicking to put them in their place and that won't happen with "civil" behavior.

So stop bitching, or GTFO, you don't sound like an "old school" conservative, you sound like a ****, ie... you sound like "the problem".

[Reichspepe]

I see you conceded every other point.

***** people,

**** you Vergil, this made me spit out my drink a bit over my keyboard

[Xenich]

While understandable not liking certain people behaviour, that’s the sacrifice people here are willing to take in having a actual free speech platform and not just a dime dozen social media platforms that censors the **** out of anyone with non progressive/ liberal group think.

Fair enough. Maybe I'm too old (/school) for even the "conservatives" here, who at times behave like a bunch of lobotomized savages (or "*******" as they so eloquently likely would put it).

In fairness, previous generations created a world that seems to value ******* more than anything :^)

Some did, they were the ones that used to get upset when ****** was used and were a minority. I remember a time when the word was used and people didn't act like someone was murdered, especially when it was relevant to the behavior of one. Calling a sexual deviant what they were wasn't shied away from, nor bad manners. That isn't "old school", that is modern **** behavior.

[Hyborian]

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>my brother in Christ

[Vergil]

Gayder lol

[ArcaneLurker]

Fair enough. Maybe I'm too old (/school) for even the "conservatives" here, who at times behave like a bunch of lobotomized savages (or "*******" as they so eloquently likely would put it).

In fairness, previous generations created a world that seems to value ******* more than anything :^)

Some did, they were the ones that used to get upset when ****** was used and were a minority. I remember a time when the word was used and people didn't act like someone was murdered, especially when it was relevant to the behavior of one. Calling a sexual deviant what they were wasn't shied away from, nor bad manners. That isn't "old school", that is modern **** behavior.

Yeah, I suppose it's like how only a minority in America wanted to go to war with Germany or make nogs equal, but it was forced at gunpoint anyway. Really makes you wonder.
In any case the point still stands that we're here now, in this position, because of actions or inactions of the past, when it was the most opportune time to resist the direction that people in WW2 predicted.
****** behaviour is promoted, because ******* are elevated and valued more than they rationally ever should be, no matter how much of a victim someone could possibly see them as.
Zoomers have probably seen RW generations of the past repeatedly hit their head against a wall trying to be soft-spoken, polite, and well-reasoned in the face of abject sophistry, to no avail.

Boomers watched things transition and must have helped the sexual revolution & internationalist hippy movements along to some degree. Gen-x were raised during the regime change, and the Civil Rights stuff must have been more 'real' to them, than Millennials that only saw it as a historical event, who were the first generation to be raised in amongst "diversity," at a more comfortable level, with a little exposure to the past.
Zoomers were raised at the end of norms Millenials got used to, and the start of mask-off, open hostility from ***** and their assorted minions.
In each subsequent generation, you'd expect things to get worse, but in Zoomers, there's a huge ideological split between the sexes, with girls being radically Leftwing, and boys being moderate or "Far Right."
Women obey & conform to authorities, loyalty being a rare quality, and men become disaffected as they know their homeland/ colony is overrun by traitors & invaders that want the worst for them.

[SoLong]

The irony is that they could've made the elves interesting if they made them anything more than "minority complaining about being oppressed #543".

They almost did something creative with the city elf origin in DA:O. Yes, it's the same old "humans bad" chestnut but infiltrating a noble's mansion and poisoning the entire guard with rat poison before stabbing the **** to death was genuinely cathartic and well executed, even if it wasn't particularly creative.

Then they ****** it all away by basically making elves blacks but with pointy ears instead of melanin (elves once had a great empire, that's how you know it's fantasy). There was such potential there; having them be the designated servant race screams for a subplot of elves as assassins or spies but no, outside of Zevran that's only ever implied, never shown. Can't portray our minority as anything but morally superior after all.

The dalish are an afterthought with nothing deeper than "they're here somewhere". You could literally just replace the pointy ears with anything else and change every mention of "elf" with "flumblwoop" and nothing would change because the race has no identity beyond being the designated pet minority.

[Vergil]

Dragon Age lore sounds so boring. I cannot imagine being a hard-core fan of it. There's an obvious lack of real vision behind any of it. What's the point in getting invested in a mythology where the entire theming and genre changes on a whim?

[Manny V]

Dragon Age lore sounds so boring. I cannot imagine being a hard-core fan of it. There's an obvious lack of real vision behind any of it. What's the point in getting invested in a mythology where the entire theming and genre changes on a whim?

it always seemed like the most milquetoast, half-assed fantasy setting to me, notable only because it's a fuckin dating sim like all bioware games

[UltraFan123]

The irony is that they could've made the elves interesting if they made them anything more than "minority complaining about being oppressed #543".

They almost did something creative with the city elf origin in DA:O. Yes, it's the same old "humans bad" chestnut but infiltrating a noble's mansion and poisoning the entire guard with rat poison before stabbing the **** to death was genuinely cathartic and well executed, even if it wasn't particularly creative.

Then they ****** it all away by basically making elves blacks but with pointy ears instead of melanin (elves once had a great empire, that's how you know it's fantasy). There was such potential there; having them be the designated servant race screams for a subplot of elves as assassins or spies but no, outside of Zevran that's only ever implied, never shown. Can't portray our minority as anything but morally superior after all.

The dalish are an afterthought with nothing deeper than "they're here somewhere". You could literally just replace the pointy ears with anything else and change every mention of "elf" with "flumblwoop" and nothing would change because the race has no identity beyond being the designated pet minority.

If it's not elves then it's usually orcs, and yeah you could replace all elves with orcs and the plot remains the same. lol

[Reichspepe]

In each subsequent generation, you'd expect things to get worse, but in Zoomers, there's a huge ideological split between the sexes, with girls being radically Leftwing, and boys being moderate or "Far Right."

This may be the case in America and/or other countries in the anglosphere, but here in Germany, this seems to not be the case. Sure, women are more left wing, but the AFD (only party having the Germans' interests in mind) is also very popular with women. We are talking like 35 % male and 30 % female from the top of my head in the recent state elections.

[Finarfin]

In each subsequent generation, you'd expect things to get worse, but in Zoomers, there's a huge ideological split between the sexes, with girls being radically Leftwing, and boys being moderate or "Far Right."

This may be the case in America and/or other countries in the anglosphere, but here in Germany, this seems to not be the case. Sure, women are more left wing, but the AFD (only party having the Germans' interests in mind) is also very popular with women. We are talking like 35 % male and 30 % female from the top of my head in the recent state elections.

I mean just look at Krah, he is popular as ****, especially among young people.

[Xenich]

In each subsequent generation, you'd expect things to get worse, but in Zoomers, there's a huge ideological split between the sexes, with girls being radically Leftwing, and boys being moderate or "Far Right."

This may be the case in America and/or other countries in the anglosphere, but here in Germany, this seems to not be the case. Sure, women are more left wing, but the AFD (only party having the Germans' interests in mind) is also very popular with women. We are talking like 35 % male and 30 % female from the top of my head in the recent state elections.

My guess would be due to the massive rape issues they have in Germany concerning the illegals? US has bad rape statistics, but it is constantly downplayed... I would imagine that eventually when gangs are roaming the streets regularly raping women and the authorities covering for them, a lot more women in the US might shift their reality.

[Reichspepe]

In each subsequent generation, you'd expect things to get worse, but in Zoomers, there's a huge ideological split between the sexes, with girls being radically Leftwing, and boys being moderate or "Far Right."

This may be the case in America and/or other countries in the anglosphere, but here in Germany, this seems to not be the case. Sure, women are more left wing, but the AFD (only party having the Germans' interests in mind) is also very popular with women. We are talking like 35 % male and 30 % female from the top of my head in the recent state elections.

I mean just look at Krah, he is popular as ****, especially among young people.

Krah is great, hope he comes back to the big stage after getting ****** over

[Finarfin]

This may be the case in America and/or other countries in the anglosphere, but here in Germany, this seems to not be the case. Sure, women are more left wing, but the AFD (only party having the Germans' interests in mind) is also very popular with women. We are talking like 35 % male and 30 % female from the top of my head in the recent state elections.

I mean just look at Krah, he is popular as ****, especially among young people.

Krah is great, hope he comes back to the big stage after getting ****** over

Oh yeah, he's great. Except when he talks about Islam (since he doesn't know much about it, better to let Peci talk about it since he has a ton of experience with it)

[rusty_shackleford]

Rusty, if they are "gatekeeping" with such behaviour, they are at least doing a great job in (gate)keeping you from receiving donations.

Jeez it would be really terrible if everyone just suddenly spent a lot of money on HQ platinum to show him wrong haha

unless…?

[logincrash]

having them be the designated servant race screams for a subplot of elves as assassins or spies but no, outside of Zevran that's only ever implied, never shown.

In DAO, sure, but Inquisition had a whole bunch of subplots with city elf spies/assassins. The insufferable elf **** companion uses her network of servants and urchins to spy and the Orlesian Empress' elf **** lover uses her own elf servant network to both spy and assassinate. Solas later sends his own elves to pose as low-ranking members and servants to spy on the Inquisition.
****, even DA2 had an elven Qunari spy/assassin who poses as a less important member of your entourage as you're infiltrating a duke's chateau.

Dragon Age lore sounds so boring. I cannot imagine being a hard-core fan of it. There's an obvious lack of real vision behind any of it. What's the point in getting invested in a mythology where the entire theming and genre changes on a whim?

it always seemed like the most milquetoast, half-assed fantasy setting to me, notable only because it's a fuckin dating sim like all bioware games

That's because Dragon Age, just like Mass Effect before it, is a kitchen sink of all the cool genre ideas and tropes. Just like Mass Effect was stealing sci-fi **** left and right (from Rendezvous with Rama to Battlestar Galactica to Halo), Dragon Age pilfered all kinds of fantasy **** (from Witcher to Game of Thrones to Wheel of Time).
They just needed an original (as in, not copyrighted) setting for their game. They sure as **** didn't come up with Thedas (TheDAS - The Dragon Age Setting) out of love for worldbuilding or being inspired to make something new and exciting.

[Finarfin]

Rusty, if they are "gatekeeping" with such behaviour, they are at least doing a great job in (gate)keeping you from receiving donations.

Jeez it would be really terrible if everyone just suddenly spent a lot of money on HQ platinum to show him wrong haha

unless…?

If the donation gives us a Newsletter about what's happening on the forum, with honorable mentions of comments, along other things

[Element]

Dragon Age lore sounds so boring. I cannot imagine being a hard-core fan of it. There's an obvious lack of real vision behind any of it. What's the point in getting invested in a mythology where the entire theming and genre changes on a whim?

it always seemed like the most milquetoast, half-assed fantasy setting to me, notable only because it's a fuckin dating sim like all bioware games

Darkspawn were quite good as the antagonist. People always banged on about them looking like orcs, but I thought that was just the genlocks. Other than that, it was indeed mostly just by the book world crafting.