Avowed, a TOW-like game from Obsidian

[Statesman]

Remember when they showed the game off and everyone was confused as to why someone is making yet another pussified purple-filled cartoon fantasy game?
This is the direct result of women in gamedev btw, they're children.

To be fair, I could see children gamedevs somehow creating a decent game. Probably nothing close to an RPG though.

[rusty_shackleford]

I have trouble putting my finger on exactly why I dislike, or at least don't like, the pillows setting as a whole. I'm going to disregard dumpsterfire because I can say why I hate that specific part of the setting.
It feels too… artificial, perhaps? Too high effort and the willingness to show you such. Not enough is left to the imagination, or only mentioned in passing. Everything is overly detailed and explained which makes it an obvious constructed world.

I think this connects back to what I've previously posted:

A surprising amount of answers Tolkien gave in his letters were simply "I do not know". Rather than trying to come up with some answer on the spot, if he couldn't piece it together from written material then the answer didn't exist yet.

A significant amount of effort was put into answering questions that were raised, either by the development team or the 3 people Sawyer forced to pretend to be fans of the setting. All this talk of faraway lands and governments, colonies, etc., Especially anything related to the gods falls under this, as nothing was purposely left unanswered.

[Marcus]

But I don’t think anything matches Skyrim in terms of art style, music, scale, and interactivity.

Enderal >>> Skyrim

[Nooneatall]

Pretty much every newspiece from Obsidian regarding this game has been negative thus far.

"No, this isn't going to be a Skyrim-like, we had to downscale the game".
"No, you can't play as Aonuma".
"No romances, you can't kill or dismiss a party member"
"No different skill trees for different classes, sorry".
"No playable dwarves or godlikes".
No playable orlans either, just humans and elves".
"Day/night cycle won't affect the gameplay in any way".
"No, there are no minigames".

I commend them for being honest, but it's kind of a funny way to market a game.

I wonder if they ever feel pathetic for being incapable of reproducing 1/10th what a bunch of slavs in middle-of-nowhere eastern europe were capable of doing without having microsoftdollars

Sounds like a FPS to me

[Xenich]

Wow... looks like a... Console game. Whoopie!

[Roguey]

I wonder if they ever feel pathetic for being incapable of reproducing 1/10th what a bunch of slavs in middle-of-nowhere eastern europe were capable of doing without having microsoftdollars

They feel really great about having to only work 40 hours a week and don't particularly care about delivering more, the martyrs and mavericks were drummed out.

[rusty_shackleford]

I wonder if they ever feel pathetic for being incapable of reproducing 1/10th what a bunch of slavs in middle-of-nowhere eastern europe were capable of doing without having microsoftdollars

They feel really great about having to only work 40 hours a week and don't particularly care about delivering more, the martyrs and mavericks were drummed out.

Do they, though? I'm sure if I go search through their social media I'll find endless references to things like "impostor syndrome" or being depressed

[Silvanus]

I have trouble putting my finger on exactly why I dislike, or at least don't like, the pillows setting as a whole. I'm going to disregard dumpsterfire because I can say why I hate that specific part of the setting.
It feels too… artificial, perhaps? Too high effort and the willingness to show you such. Not enough is left to the imagination, or only mentioned in passing. Everything is overly detailed and explained which makes it an obvious constructed world.

I think this connects back to what I've previously posted:

A surprising amount of answers Tolkien gave in his letters were simply "I do not know". Rather than trying to come up with some answer on the spot, if he couldn't piece it together from written material then the answer didn't exist yet.

A significant amount of effort was put into answering questions that were raised, either by the development team or the 3 people Sawyer forced to pretend to be fans of the setting. All this talk of faraway lands and governments, colonies, etc., Especially anything related to the gods falls under this, as nothing was purposely left unanswered.

It's self-indulgent and masturbatory. The writers are very proud of the setting and all of the lore they've created and are extremely aggressive about showing it to you, long before you've been given an interesting narrative or any other reason to care about it. Pillows displays an intensely autistic, mechanical understanding of writing and world-building.

[Shillitron]

I have trouble putting my finger on exactly why I dislike, or at least don't like, the pillows setting as a whole. I'm going to disregard dumpsterfire because I can say why I hate that specific part of the setting.
It feels too… artificial, perhaps? Too high effort and the willingness to show you such. Not enough is left to the imagination, or only mentioned in passing. Everything is overly detailed and explained which makes it an obvious constructed world.

I think this connects back to what I've previously posted:

A surprising amount of answers Tolkien gave in his letters were simply "I do not know". Rather than trying to come up with some answer on the spot, if he couldn't piece it together from written material then the answer didn't exist yet.

A significant amount of effort was put into answering questions that were raised, either by the development team or the 3 people Sawyer forced to pretend to be fans of the setting. All this talk of faraway lands and governments, colonies, etc., Especially anything related to the gods falls under this, as nothing was purposely left unanswered.

In forgotten realms I always have craving or explore more, see more.
Pillows always inundates me with abstract cultures that I'm constantly bored of before they've even started.

Why? Exactly the reason you stated I think but also it's Sawyer. I know that sounds cheap but he's autistic and sucks the fun out of everything. He made things that could of been interesting - boring and ****.

[aweigh]

as nothing was purposely left unanswered.

it also doesn't help that the entire setting boils down to predictably boring 'gods are fake' modern deconstruction crap. the attitude towards making every attribute "un-dumpable" reflects the attitude towards the settingl.

[Roguey]

Do they, though? I'm sure if I go search through their social media I'll find endless references to things like "impostor syndrome" or being depressed

Have at it, I've seen no indication there's widespread demoralization.

[rusty_shackleford]

Pillows always inundates me with abstract cultures that I'm constantly bored of before they've even started.

Doesn't help that they go to extreme lengths to explain cultures instead of just going "these are fish people who have a caste system", they have to show you every inch of it. Some of this is due to it being an obvious standin for hitting you in the face with real world politics of how "akshually the hu-white people were the bad ones, look at the noble savages!"

[rusty_shackleford]

Do they, though? I'm sure if I go search through their social media I'll find endless references to things like "impostor syndrome" or being depressed

Have at it, I've seen no indication there's widespread demoralization.

If you want to argue that women are incapable of feeling shame for being inadequate, I'll agree.

[Oyster Sauce]

hijacking this thread to shill an actually good upcoming first-person we-have-skyrim-at-home game


bonus points: you can go play it right now

Huh. From the exceedingly generic and wordy title I assumed this was a copy/pasted old person game. I'm on board now.

[Nooneatall]

hijacking this thread to shill an actually good upcoming first-person we-have-skyrim-at-home game


bonus points: you can go play it right now

Huh. From the exceedingly generic and wordy title I assumed this was a copy/pasted old person game. I'm on board now.

Lol imagine playing a *** game with taint in the title

[Vergil]

hijacking this thread to shill an actually good upcoming first-person we-have-skyrim-at-home game


bonus points: you can go play it right now

They got elves?

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Does Obsidian enjoy shooting themself in the foot.

[rusty_shackleford]

It's gamepass slop, these developers are being paid to make mediocre shovelware, doesn't matter

[1998]

Does Obsidian enjoy shooting themself in the foot.

Microsoft employee says game runs better on Microsoft product than on PC. Game is obviously **** and will flop, the only thing left for them to do is to hype up some other product

[gerey]

It's gamepass slop, these developers are being paid to make mediocre shovelware, doesn't matter

That's quite a good observation, and it tracks with how streaming services like Netflix push for quantity of content.

Only problem is that the competency crisis has reached such levels of magnitude that none of the dev studios they have bought are even capable of ******** out slop without significant delays and going over budget.

[WaterMage]

They got elves?

Nope. IUs based in Celtic mythology and people look like Celts, I know very rare nowadays.

[rusty_shackleford]

They got elves?

Nope. IUs based in Celtic mythology and people look like Celts, I know very rare nowadays.

Celtic mythology has a rough equivalent to elves in the aes sidhe, but I can't tell you if the game has them or not.

[logincrash]

>No mention of Alpha Protocol, no mention of Tyranny, no mention of Pillars of Eternity, no mention of Pentiment nor Mask of the Betrayer, even Grounded.
>But mentions **** Park: The *** of Truth

Tyranny and Pillars of Eternity were mediocre at best. There were some really good gameplay ideas in there, like the Tyranny spell crafting or the in-dialogue links that popped up codex entries on hover, but the writing is fantasy slop with faggotry (I'm including all the nigs and gays and feminism in that word) generously sprinkled throughout.
Stick of Truth was a competent South Park reskin of Paper Mario RPG.

[1998]

>No mention of Alpha Protocol, no mention of Tyranny, no mention of Pillars of Eternity, no mention of Pentiment nor Mask of the Betrayer, even Grounded.
>But mentions **** Park: The *** of Truth

Tyranny and Pillars of Eternity were mediocre at best. There were some really good gameplay ideas in there, like the Tyranny spell crafting or the in-dialogue links that popped up codex entries on hover, but the writing is fantasy slop with faggotry (I'm including all the nigs and gays and feminism in that word) generously sprinkled throughout.
Stick of Truth was a competent South Park reskin of Paper Mario RPG.

I hated that part. Optional or not, I am playing a game, not speed running some wiki articles. If your game needs that to intro lore or create background, you are doing something wrong.

[logincrash]

I hated that part. Optional or not, I am playing a game, not speed running some wiki articles. If your game needs that to intro lore or create background, you are doing something wrong.

*****, you're playing an RPG with entirely text-based dialogue. Reading is kinda important for that.

[rusty_shackleford]

Dialogue trees were a mistake.

[Schizoid1488]

Obsidian has made a total of 16 games in the last 20 years according to wikipedia, only three were good and worth playing, The Sith Lords, New Vegas, and Stick of the Truth. When is it time to just give up? It's time to move on. Some game devs and companies just need to be left in the past. It's 2024. Larian, CDPR, Warhorse, Owlcat have made companies like BioWare and Obsidian obsolete.

It's time for a big change for these companies, fire everyone working currently and hire new devs and pay them mere pennies. I think it's obvious that old heads like Sawyer and his croons have nothing left to give, they are husks now. Wrap it up. It's about time people start treating RPG devs like they treat football or basketball players, when they are nearing early 30s and no longer ready to spend 24/7 grinding it's time to fire them.

>No mention of Alpha Protocol, no mention of Tyranny, no mention of Pillars of Eternity, no mention of Pentiment nor Mask of the Betrayer, even Grounded.
>But mentions **** Park: The *** of Truth

Alpha protocol is a 6/10 game, Tyranny is a unfinished prototype -- not a game, Pillars of Eternity is goyslop for *******, Pentiment is goyslop for ******* whose only purpose of existing is to humiliate europeans, I did not play Neverwinter Nights and Grounded but it seems like nobody else has either considering they have zero discussions about them on any forums. Anyone defending Obsidian or shilling for it in 2024 should honestly just kill themselves, you mentioned on this gay forum that you struggle with self respect and confidence, maybe it's because you play obsidian games. Gamer pro tip: Delete them from your OS and you will regain your masculinity.

>Stick of truth is.. le bad...

[Roguey]

I hated that part. Optional or not, I am playing a game, not speed running some wiki articles. If your game needs that to intro lore or create background, you are doing something wrong.

Games like Mass Effect, The Witcher, Dragon Age will just put that stuff in a Codex entry you'll have to click through to if you want to read it. This is just a convenience that saves clicks.

[1998]

I hated that part. Optional or not, I am playing a game, not speed running some wiki articles. If your game needs that to intro lore or create background, you are doing something wrong.

Games like Mass Effect, The Witcher, Dragon Age will just put that stuff in a Codex entry you'll have to click through to if you want to read it. This is just a convenience that saves clicks.

Codex entries are much less intrusive, easier to ignore. Yes, I don't have to click on every entry in the same way I don't have to loot every container but once the option is there, it's hard to ignore.

[gerey]

I did not play Neverwinter Nights

Mask of the Betrayer is a well-written story stuck on a ****** game engine.

Everything else I pretty much agree with, especially Pentiment. Playing that makes you about as gay as the creeps that enjoy Life is Strange.

Obsidian used to be known for well-written stories and awful gameplay. They kicked out all the talented (male, heterosexual) writers and now just make slop.