I’m just waiting to see the results for the Karl Jobst vs Billy Mitchell court ruling that should happen around March 2025.
After reading through this entire thread, can't say I'm particularly fond of either person. One seems overzealous when it comes to filing lawsuits at others (although he seems justified to a certain extent) while the other is a soy-filled speedrunner who goes out of his way to delete videos of people cheating because they ended up being ******/******* and supports every SJW movement under the sun.
It's a hitjob on Billy Mitchell for being too American by communist ********
Did Todd Rogers cheat?
He was proven to have cheated, so, yes? To the best of my knowledge he's never outperformed his scores while live streaming at an arcade.
There is no proof that Billy Mitchell cheated.
It's a hitjob on Billy Mitchell for being too American by communist ********
Did Todd Rogers cheat?
He was proven to have cheated, so, yes? To the best of my knowledge he's never outperformed his scores while live streaming at an arcade.
There is no proof that Billy Mitchell cheated.
You are making the mistake to assume only people bad at gaming cheat. Nobody ever claimed that for Billy. Billy back then was capable of achieving those results. Still, it's extremely likely that he took the shortcut and cheated.
He was proven to have cheated, so, yes? To the best of my knowledge he's never outperformed his scores while live streaming at an arcade.
There is no proof that Billy Mitchell cheated.
You are making the mistake to assume only people bad at gaming cheat. Nobody ever claimed that for Billy. Billy back then was capable of achieving those results. Still, it's extremely likely that he took the shortcut and cheated.
Todd Rogers was proven to have cheated. The accusations against Mitchell stem from a faulty understanding of the recording hardware used and the incorrect idea that recording VHS is like digital recording.
He was proven to have cheated, so, yes? To the best of my knowledge he's never outperformed his scores while live streaming at an arcade.
There is no proof that Billy Mitchell cheated.
You are making the mistake to assume only people bad at gaming cheat. Nobody ever claimed that for Billy. Billy back then was capable of achieving those results. Still, it's extremely likely that he took the shortcut and cheated.
Todd Rogers was proven to have cheated. The accusations against Mitchell stem from a faulty understanding of the recording hardware used and the incorrect idea that recording VHS is like digital recording.
Faulty by one experts opinion. And there is way more evidence than this. 100% proof？ Of course not, but very strong evidence nonetheless.
You are making the mistake to assume only people bad at gaming cheat. Nobody ever claimed that for Billy. Billy back then was capable of achieving those results. Still, it's extremely likely that he took the shortcut and cheated.
Todd Rogers was proven to have cheated. The accusations against Mitchell stem from a faulty understanding of the recording hardware used and the incorrect idea that recording VHS is like digital recording.
Faulty by one experts opinion. And there is way more evidence than this. 100% proof？ Of course not, but very strong evidence nonetheless.
Accusations are by a communist speedrunning ******
You are making the mistake to assume only people bad at gaming cheat. Nobody ever claimed that for Billy. Billy back then was capable of achieving those results. Still, it's extremely likely that he took the shortcut and cheated.
Todd Rogers could not have even gotten the scores he claimed(they are impossible), btw.
First, there also have been other experts who claimed the records could have not been recorded on original hardware: https://www.vice.com/en/article/forensi ... ng-record/
Fokkens’ analysis hones in on the differences between original hardware and MAME emulator in terms of video orientation, the screen transitions, new evidence that uses a high speed camera to show the scanning of video memory, and the presence of V-sync tearing—essentially “a horizontal split at one or more places of the image”—in the tapes Mitchell submitted to claim his records.
We already discussed this. All of these issues could be explained by the hardware he was using for recording, they are treating an analog recording device as if it is digital.
Additionally, all the accusations boil down to:
"He was cheating because he used MAME. No, we don't have definitive evidence he used MAME. Also, we're not even saying he got an advantage if he was using MAME, just that he should be disqualified."
Additionally, all the accusations boil down to:
"He was cheating because he used MAME. No, we don't have definitive evidence he used MAME. Also, we're not even saying he got an advantage if he was using MAME, just that he should be disqualified."
That's factually untrue, there were allegations before the mame evidence came out.
I’m just waiting to see the results for the Karl Jobst vs Billy Mitchell court ruling that should happen around March 2025.
After reading through this entire thread, can't say I'm particularly fond of either person. One seems overzealous when it comes to filing lawsuits at others (although he seems justified to a certain extent) while the other is a soy-filled speedrunner who goes out of his way to delete videos of people cheating because they ended up being ******/******* and supports every SJW movement under the sun.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
I don’t why people are underplaying/ignoring what Billy doing just because his politics and beliefs align with them or his past game
achievements it still doesn’t excuse his behaviour.
Why can’t his new high scores be registered anyway? Shouldn’t those render all this moot? Even if he did cheat before, that shouldn’t stop him from being able to compete again if it’s on the level, especially with nothing proven.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
I don’t why people are underplaying/ignoring what Billy doing just because his politics and beliefs align with them or his past game
achievements it still doesn’t excuse his behaviour.
First of all my God how did you manage to press Enter in the middle of a ******* sentence holy ****.
Second, you are the reason we have the world we have today, shut the **** up with your "both sides gusy!!" femoid whinging.
Finally, God bless Billy Mitchell and God bless America. @rusty_shackleford we need an American flag smiley.
So essentially the allegations come down to this: Billy's competition wants you to believe that he programmed a hacked version of the game with a custom motherboard that somehow gave him an advantage in order to be the first to get a million points.
But nobody has demonstrated a similar hack or motherboard.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
Don't be stupid. You should always sue people who badmouth you in public whenever it's a viable option. Some people, like that guy, just need to learn and they deserve everything their own behavior brings.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
I don’t why people are underplaying/ignoring what Billy doing just because his politics and beliefs align with them or his past game
achievements it still doesn’t excuse his behaviour.
First of all my God how did you manage to press Enter in the middle of a ******* sentence holy ****.
Second, you are the reason we have the world we have today, shut the **** up with your "both sides gusy!!" femoid whinging.
Finally, God bless Billy Mitchell and God bless America. @rusty_shackleford we need an American flag smiley.
In the very likely case of Billy losing his frivolous defamation lawsuit it will be funny as hell because he would actually have to pay Karl legal cost.
I like add that that Billy has never actually won any cases where he pursued legal action and at best there was a settlement.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
Don't be stupid. You should always sue people who badmouth you in public whenever it's a viable option. Some people, like that guy, just need to learn and they deserve everything their own behavior brings.
I’m mean sure, however defamation is very difficult to prove which doesn’t help that Billy has paper thin evidence to back up the claims that Karl have defame him.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
Don't be stupid.
Wasted advice on this one. Just read his username.
Overzealous is an understatement. Billy is clearly abusing the legal system for his own personal vendetta against his detractors. I can care less about Karl personal politics which I fundamentally disagree with him in practically everything ,however what been done to Karl is immoral.
Don't be stupid. You should always sue people who badmouth you in public whenever it's a viable option. Some people, like that guy, just need to learn and they deserve everything their own behavior brings.
I’m mean sure, however defamation is very difficult to prove which doesn’t help that Billy has paper thin evidence to back up the claims that Karl have defame him.
Defamation's a pretty low bar if you're not a public figure, and I think this guy has a good argument that he isn't, since I hadn't heard of him one minute before this thread was posted.
Don't be stupid. You should always sue people who badmouth you in public whenever it's a viable option. Some people, like that guy, just need to learn and they deserve everything their own behavior brings.
I’m mean sure, however defamation is very difficult to prove which doesn’t help that Billy has paper thin evidence to back up the claims that Karl have defame him.
Defamation's a pretty low bar if you're not a public figure, and I think this guy has a good argument that he isn't, since I hadn't heard of him one minute before this thread was posted.
I yet to see strong evidence that Karl was defaming Billy Mitchel, however I’m not sure if they’re using American defamation laws or Australia defamation with the latter has a lot lower threshold to prove. The verdict will most likely be reached early next year so we will see how it shakes out.
