Kingdom Come 2 - Your Same-Sex Adventure Awaits!

[maidenhaver]

KCD is to HEMA what PunchOut is to boxing.

[Tangerine]

I think 70m is too low considering the alleged size of the game's script. I'd argue 100m at a minimum.

I imagine they'd need to make 3 to 4 million sales to break even, which they're going to struggle to accomplish because of the clunky gameplay, especially the combat.


It's why getting rid of DEI department is not going to be enough. The workforce is not being forced to make woke content, they're doing it voluntarily.

The general rule of thumb I've heard for finding out the yearly cost of an American game is to multiply the size of the team by 200k to get the production costs. That figure includes salary, benefits, tool/equipment, subscriptions, taxes, and other costs. Doing this for Troonguard gets you a figure between 300m-400m, depending on how many years (6-8) you think they were in full production.

In contracting, Slavs are about half the cost of an American developer, so use 100k instead of 200k unless we have reason to believe Czechs are cheaper. If Warhorse is around 250 people and it's been in development since 2019, production costs are going to be between 100m-150m, depending on how many years you think they were in full production.

That's too high. Those 250 include community managers, other marketing people, HR etc. They won't get anything near 100k. You would also need to consider marketing spendings in your calculation. If the total budget of 1 was around 40M, it's more likely this on is probably max. 80M.

Assuming you're talking about American companies, most of those you mentioned will be above 100k in cost to the company. If we take a base salary of 60k, health insurance alone adds at least 20k to that number. Add another 5k for payroll tax/medicare/etc., 5k for other benefits like 401k match and life insurance, and overhead (usually 20-30% of salary) of 15k, we're at 105k. The higher-end salaried devs will be pushing 300k in costs. 200k is certainly not the exact average, but it's close enough for an estimate. If you're talking Slav companies, I'm basing it on the average contracting rate compared to an American employee; it's safe to assume their operating costs are built into the estimate, which would include paying support staff. They'll have markup, of course, so take however many points off 50% that you think is reasonable. Also, this is production costs only. Marketing costs are considered separately and I don't know what the rule is for cost when it comes to games.

[1998]

The general rule of thumb I've heard for finding out the yearly cost of an American game is to multiply the size of the team by 200k to get the production costs. That figure includes salary, benefits, tool/equipment, subscriptions, taxes, and other costs. Doing this for Troonguard gets you a figure between 300m-400m, depending on how many years (6-8) you think they were in full production.

In contracting, Slavs are about half the cost of an American developer, so use 100k instead of 200k unless we have reason to believe Czechs are cheaper. If Warhorse is around 250 people and it's been in development since 2019, production costs are going to be between 100m-150m, depending on how many years you think they were in full production.

That's too high. Those 250 include community managers, other marketing people, HR etc. They won't get anything near 100k. You would also need to consider marketing spendings in your calculation. If the total budget of 1 was around 40M, it's more likely this on is probably max. 80M.

Assuming you're talking about American companies, most of those you mentioned will be above 100k in cost to the company. If we take a base salary of 60k, health insurance alone adds at least 20k to that number. Add another 5k for payroll tax/medicare/etc., 5k for other benefits like 401k match and life insurance, and overhead (usually 20-30% of salary) of 15k, we're at 105k. The higher-end salaried devs will be pushing 300k in costs. 200k is certainly not the exact average, but it's close enough for an estimate. If you're talking Slav companies, I'm basing it on the average contracting rate compared to an American employee; it's safe to assume their operating costs are built into the estimate, which would include paying support staff. They'll have markup, of course, so take however many points off 50% that you think is reasonable. Also, this is production costs only. Marketing costs are considered separately and I don't know what the rule is for cost when it comes to games.

Talking slav. Still, your number is likely too high. You had 130 working on the first one, budget was close to 40M. Now you got around twice as many people, with a budget probably also around doubled up.

[rusty_shackleford]

KCD had more people work on it, actual developers, than Skyrim btw.
It would be impossible to replicate something like Skyrim in current conditions, let alone fnv, fallout 2, etc.,

[Hyborian]

Two weeks hysteria and fake outrage has made zero difference on the game's sales. Turns out culture warriors don't buy games, shocking.

[1998]

Two weeks hysteria and fake outrage has made zero difference on the game's sales. Turns out culture warriors don't buy games, shocking.

Still not convinced they will lose tons of sales over it, but generally speaking a game is supposed to climb the charts towards release date. We will see...

[ArcaneLurker]

swords are poor against armor.
So you jostle and shove and poke and it's dull and takes forever.

Only a purist wants to ALWAYS exhaust and bruise the opponent until he stumbles, then use a armor-piercing dagger to go for the vitals while he's pinned.

Overall, the sytem is very limited, with the way it's done.
There's gotta be a better way to incorporate grappling & stabbing weak-spots as a counter for armour.
If I made a mod for Mount & Blade: Stunning the target with a timed wack to the head, and then quickly capitalising on it by knocking them over with a kick, and then a new interaction to knocked-down enemies to grapple & finish. The flow of gameplay would be no different from how you have to counter certain enemies in Shadow of Mordor.

(Use a mace or hammer; you'll find it works so much better)
It's realistic, but it's boring.

There's just zero thought to the fun of the gameplay.

Say what you will about Skyrim, but the animations for fighting and finishers with all weapons look pretty cool and much more interesting.

Bethesda also didn't think much about the melee combat gameplay, it's just the same as Oblivion (which feels nicer to me for some reason) with some slight differences with magic and an killcams/ finishers incorporated. No matter what, it quickly gets boring chipping big health pools down with a paddle, but at least it offers a lot of player freedom, and fits with the open world sandbox element.

[rusty_shackleford]

Realistic melee combat between people wearing plate armor is boring.

[MrKike]

Two weeks hysteria and fake outrage has made zero difference on the game's sales. Turns out culture warriors don't buy games, shocking.

We already knew that they don't. Gays and ******* and it somehow didn't shoot up the charts.

[Vaako]

Definitely going to be interesting to see what their total sales will be. A LOT of people hated KCD1's combat system, and that's going to potentially hurt them too.

Mordhau created an amazing first person Medieval combat system and it's inspired no one else because seemingly everyone has to stoop to Journo levels of difficulty. Even Mount and Blade is better than KC. They placed too much importance on accurate HEMA animations rather than the actual enjoyment of gameplay.

KCD is accurate, but accurate isn't fun.

Example: fighting a well armored enemy with a sword.
Most of what you do is poke at them with it and use the point to shove them around while doing minor blunt damage because swords are poor against armor.
So you jostle and shove and poke and it's dull and takes forever.
(Use a mace or hammer; you'll find it works so much better)
It's realistic, but it's boring.
Say what you will about Skyrim, but the animations for fighting and finishers with all weapons look pretty cool and much more interesting.
Only a purist wants to ALWAYS exhaust and bruise the opponent until he stumbles, then use a armor-piercing dagger to go for the vitals while he's pinned.

Don't get me wrong, it should be a legitimate strategy, but so should "superhuman" dexterous, accurate strikes against vulnerable points instead if you've built your character for it.
KCD doesn't give you the choice. It's grubby super realistic combat or nothing.

Doesnt seem to be the case in KCD2 really the shortsword seems pretty op in that clip even tho he said he didnt really have many perks in blunt/axe weapon. But to be fair the guards arent in full plate armor.

[rusty_shackleford]

Stop taking the bait

[Oyster Sauce]

Stop taking the bait

Repeatedly begging people not to take the bait worked really well for 4chan

[TKVNC]

Don't get me wrong, it should be a legitimate strategy, but so should "superhuman" dexterous, accurate strikes against vulnerable points instead if you've built your character for it.
KCD doesn't give you the choice. It's grubby super realistic combat or nothing.

KCD does allow for this though... It's called 'master strike'.

You can learn them from Captain Bernard almost immediately after arriving in Ratay (even before the 1st Tournament).

You literally hit the block key as they attack - then do a goofy animation, and do 20% of their health, or more.

It quite literally makes the game a ******* joke.

[ArcaneLurker]

Don't get me wrong, it should be a legitimate strategy, but so should "superhuman" dexterous, accurate strikes against vulnerable points instead if you've built your character for it.
KCD doesn't give you the choice. It's grubby super realistic combat or nothing.

KCD does allow for this though... It's called 'master strike'.

You can learn them from Captain Bernard almost immediately after arriving in Ratay (even before the 1st Tournament).

You literally hit the block key as they attack - then do a goofy animation, and do 20% of their health, or more.

It quite literally makes the game a ******* joke.

"We made combat a chore so here's a cheat"

[Shady]

Two weeks hysteria and fake outrage has made zero difference on the game's sales. Turns out culture warriors don't buy games, shocking.

Well, thats because most likely, the game will have solid mechanics, the combat looks better, main story will probably be solid, side quests decent (for the most part, besides a certain questline ). Which is something u cant say for something like Veilguard, where just everything is wrong. Its just that it had to be all stained by "sprinkling" some gay and black seasoning on top of it.

[Oyster Sauce]

Don't get me wrong, it should be a legitimate strategy, but so should "superhuman" dexterous, accurate strikes against vulnerable points instead if you've built your character for it.
KCD doesn't give you the choice. It's grubby super realistic combat or nothing.

KCD does allow for this though... It's called 'master strike'.

You can learn them from Captain Bernard almost immediately after arriving in Ratay (even before the 1st Tournament).

You literally hit the block key as they attack - then do a goofy animation, and do 20% of their health, or more.

It quite literally makes the game a ******* joke.

"We made combat a chore so here's a cheat"

I used mods to remove the slow motion and make master strikes/perfect dodges only work for you and NPCs when you're mirroring stances and the combat is perfectly fine*

*against one person

[Vergil]

Can you still cheese the combat AI by just not locking on?

[rusty_shackleford]

I'd rather play veilguard than kcd2 btw

[Oyster Sauce]

Can you still cheese the combat AI by just not locking on?

Idk because cheaters never prosper

[Vergil]

Can you still cheese the combat AI by just not locking on?

Idk because cheaters never prosper

Has this ever been true btw?

[Oyster Sauce]

Can you still cheese the combat AI by just not locking on?

Idk because cheaters never prosper

Has this ever been true btw?

Within the context of having an enjoyable single player video game experience, probably

[rusty_shackleford]

when you cheat in a singleplayer game the only person you cheat is yourself

which is why cheating is based in multiplayer games

[rusty_shackleford]

Earth is flat by the way

Torus, but wrong thread.
viewtopic.php?p=15504-aliens-thread#p15504

[ArcaneLurker]

KCD does allow for this though... It's called 'master strike'.

You can learn them from Captain Bernard almost immediately after arriving in Ratay (even before the 1st Tournament).

You literally hit the block key as they attack - then do a goofy animation, and do 20% of their health, or more.

It quite literally makes the game a ******* joke.

"We made combat a chore so here's a cheat"

I used mods to remove the slow motion and make master strikes/perfect dodges only work for you and NPCs when you're mirroring stances and the combat is perfectly fine*

*against one person

Uhuh... so you used mods to make the cheat into less of a cheat, so what?

[skdursh]

I know one guy that is like that (married, over 40, but has sexual encounters with men), and through him I learned it is somewhat widespread. People like this are not gay either. They like women and still love their wives and children. I think it's is quite interesting.

I don't want to be too cruel, perhaps you're literally ******** and no one has yet explained this to you in clear enough terms, but if someone is a man and they have sex with other men, even if they have a wife and a family and all the buggery is done in secret, that still makes them really, really gay. Even worse, because they're doing it behind the backs of their family and causing potential lifelong damage to their spouse and children were they to find out, it makes them a 100% certified no-take-backsies ******.

"Sorry I gave you full blown AIDS, hon <3. I somehow found myself getting plowed by fat men in leathers on the cum-soaked bathroom floor of our local gay porn theater and accidentally came out of it turbo pozzed, but don't worry! It's not like I'm GAY or anything!"

Don't be mean to Dagoth you detestable literally who trend obsessed newfag.

Imagine old-fagging on a forum that isn't even 2 years old to someone whose account is only about 3 months younger than your own. I guess what they say is true: You can take the femboi out of the Codex, but you can't take the Codex out of the femboi.

[Vergil]

I don't want to be too cruel, perhaps you're literally ******** and no one has yet explained this to you in clear enough terms, but if someone is a man and they have sex with other men, even if they have a wife and a family and all the buggery is done in secret, that still makes them really, really gay. Even worse, because they're doing it behind the backs of their family and causing potential lifelong damage to their spouse and children were they to find out, it makes them a 100% certified no-take-backsies ******.

"Sorry I gave you full blown AIDS, hon <3. I somehow found myself getting plowed by fat men in leathers on the cum-soaked bathroom floor of our local gay porn theater and accidentally came out of it turbo pozzed, but don't worry! It's not like I'm GAY or anything!"

Don't be mean to Dagoth you detestable literally who trend obsessed newfag.

Imagine old-fagging on a forum that isn't even 2 years old to someone whose account is only about 3 months younger than your own. You can take the femboi out of the Codex, but you can't take the Codex out of the femboi.

[Oyster Sauce]

"We made combat a chore so here's a cheat"

I used mods to remove the slow motion and make master strikes/perfect dodges only work for you and NPCs when you're mirroring stances and the combat is perfectly fine*

*against one person

Uhuh... so you used mods to make the cheat into less of a cheat, so what?

The base combat isn't a chore that requires gay baby bandaids to fix, they made it significantly worse by doing so

[skdursh]

Don't be mean to Dagoth you detestable literally who trend obsessed newfag.

Imagine old-fagging on a forum that isn't even 2 years old to someone whose account is only about 3 months younger than your own. You can take the femboi out of the Codex, but you can't take the Codex out of the femboi.

And yet you still look like a ******.

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't want to be too cruel, perhaps you're literally ******** and no one has yet explained this to you in clear enough terms, but if someone is a man and they have sex with other men, even if they have a wife and a family and all the buggery is done in secret, that still makes them really, really gay. Even worse, because they're doing it behind the backs of their family and causing potential lifelong damage to their spouse and children were they to find out, it makes them a 100% certified no-take-backsies ******.

"Sorry I gave you full blown AIDS, hon <3. I somehow found myself getting plowed by fat men in leathers on the cum-soaked bathroom floor of our local gay porn theater and accidentally came out of it turbo pozzed, but don't worry! It's not like I'm GAY or anything!"

Don't be mean to Dagoth you detestable literally who trend obsessed newfag.

Imagine old-fagging on a forum that isn't even 2 years old to someone whose account is only about 3 months younger than your own. I guess what they say is true: You can take the femboi out of the Codex, but you can't take the Codex out of the femboi.

Majority of users here are non-codexers.

[skdursh]

Don't be mean to Dagoth you detestable literally who trend obsessed newfag.

Imagine old-fagging on a forum that isn't even 2 years old to someone whose account is only about 3 months younger than your own. I guess what they say is true: You can take the femboi out of the Codex, but you can't take the Codex out of the femboi.

Majority of users here are non-codexers.

Vergil 100% was though. He didn't deny it and instead old-fagged some more.