Video games are garbage

[WhiteShark]

genuinely can't fathom how people think a medium where all you do is passively read or watch is superior to a medium where you partaking in it is a foundational aspect of the medium

feels like some weird attempt to try to seem sophisticated

Proper reading isn't passive. You grapple with the point the author is making in your mind, analyzing and then accepting or rejecting.

books are linear and linear is boring unless you're a child, not sorry

Linear is fine. It allows for the author to craft a very specific experience down to the last detail. I don't like it so much for video games where player agency is key, but it has its place in other media.

[Lich]

books are linear and linear is boring unless you're a child, not sorry

No one is forcing you to read them linearly.

[rusty_shackleford]

books are linear and linear is boring unless you're a child, not sorry

No one is forcing you to read them linearly.

Ah, a fellow connoisseur who skips to the end of the book so he doesn't waste time on the boring middle part.

[WhiteShark]

Incredibly niche. You can play snakes and ladders with everybody at a moment's notice, can't do that with starcraft.

Ok, but convenience is an entirely different point than the one you were making before.

You can read a book to someone. Someone can watch you play a game but that doesn't have the same effect.

It doesn't have the same effect because because books and games offer different experiences. Playing a game while someone else watches is to playing alone as reading a book to someone else is to reading it by yourself. I watched my dad play a lot of games growing up.

Just drink beer dude. There's like a 50/50 chance you'll not only end up not being socially ********, but you'll actually enjoy the experience. The other half of the time you'll just sink into a deep melancholy.

There are social experiences I enjoy completely sober, and I don't think alcohol would do much to salvage the ones that I don't. The central issue is that I have almost zero common ground with normalfags and therefore little to discuss with them.

[maidenhaver]

Reading is at best masturbation, at worst it is letting some beta **** loser into your brain.

[Segata]

I only play retro games

[Lich]

Reading is best masturbation

Yes.

[rusty_shackleford]

If reading is so great then explain the average tumblr user who has read 3000 different YA fantasy novels

[1998]

genuinely can't fathom how people think a medium where all you do is passively read or watch is superior to a medium where you partaking in it is a foundational aspect of the medium

feels like some weird attempt to try to seem sophisticated

Exactly. Always love those idiots feeling superior to people gaming because they are reading some Harry Potter or ****. The whole reading==smart is just bs. Sure, there is a lot you could read that actually challenges you intellectually, teaches you something or makes you smarter, but 99% of those people don't read that anyway.

[KnightoftheWind]

This is a boomer-tier post. Anyone who says video games aren't a "legitimate art form" haven't been playing the right games. Stop playing tripe like Fortnite and Apex Legends.

[Segata]

Video games aren't inferior because they haven't had time to develop (they probably developed faster than any other medium in existence, by comparison), they're inferior because they're fundamentally not as good as actual artforms.

Anyone who says video games aren't a "legitimate art form" haven't been playing the right games.

I'd say the actual state of decline is caused precisely by the compulsion to force video games into being considered art. Games don't want to simply be games anymore, devs loathe what they create because they can't be taken seriously by dad and mom in Christmas dinner so they try to pseud their way into artfaggotry. And all of this in conjunction creates a kind of hobbyist ashamed of the hobby he supposedly loves, because he also wants to be taken seriously by Stacy and society at large.

Games were simply better when they weren't so self-conscious about being games.

[KnightoftheWind]

Video games aren't inferior because they haven't had time to develop (they probably developed faster than any other medium in existence, by comparison), they're inferior because they're fundamentally not as good as actual artforms.

Anyone who says video games aren't a "legitimate art form" haven't been playing the right games.

I'd say the actual state of decline is caused precisely by the compulsion to force video games into being considered art. Games don't want to simply be games anymore, devs loathe what they create because they can't be taken seriously by dad and mom in Christmas dinner so they try to pseud their way into artfaggotry. And all of this in conjunction creates a kind of hobbyist ashamed of the hobby he supposedly loves, because he also wants to be taken seriously by Stacy and society at large.

Games were simply better when they weren't so self-conscious about being games.

Not art like "art house" cringe, but art as in the sum of its parts equal a greater whole. There are many beautiful and moving games with great gameplay, I've never played a Final Fantasy myself but I heard a lot of good things about the older games, and their soundtracks are top notch. That alone should qualify. Not to mention Oblivion with it's stellar soundtrack and moving scenery. When people say they hate video games, they're probably thinking of stuff like Pac-Man or Donkey Kong because they definitely haven't played anything made since.

"Oh video games, is that like Solitaire?"

[rusty_shackleford]

I've played a lot of games, and I've never played one that made me feel spiritually uplifted, unlike film, music or literature.

Reminder that Sawyer saw Joshua Graham quotes used so frequently by people outside of gaming that he went from thinking it was cringe to realizing they had a positive impact on people and was happy for it.

[2factorauth]

letting some beta **** loser into your brain.

that was amusing and true as a concept

[2factorauth]

with the exception of PST, which I think is a genuinely good story on par with some novels,

whats the central dramatic argument of pst or the nameless one?
i dont remember the game at all
isnt he just immortal getting reved again and again for no reason? what the point?
is he like sysiphus?

[J1M]

Video games are only decades of old compared to millenia for other media and as such have **** anesthetics. Read a book or watch a movie instead.

Of all the arguments you could have chosen to assert the superiority of other media, this was nearly the worst one. Many video games have unique aesthetics that cannot be found in books nor movies, and to say they are universally '****' is either contrarianism or ignorant elitism.

The argument is essentially true, however the why of it is wrong. Video games aren't inferior because they haven't had time to develop (they probably developed faster than any other medium in existence, by comparison), they're inferior because they're fundamentally not as good as actual artforms.
I've played a lot of games, and I've never played one that made me feel spiritually uplifted, unlike film, music or literature. They're ******* board games. And yes, board games can be extremely fun, but ultimately it's always a shallow experience.

If you were trying to make this argument by saying that games aren't as good as sports you might have a leg to stand on. But you are claiming that non-interactive experiences are better than interactive ones and that is nonsense.

[J1M]

Moreover, multiplayer video games, which are that to which multiplayer board games ought be compared, can have incredible longevity. Some people still play Quake and StarCraft, for example.

Incredibly niche. You can play snakes and ladders with everybody at a moment's notice, can't do that with starcraft.

I don't think being social is an automatic plus.

:/

surely you won't tell me books are flawed because one reads them alone?

You can read a book to someone. Someone can watch you play a game but that doesn't have the same effect.

Some get patches, though.

The publisher must be an avid gamer.

I would argue that one can't actually play snakes and ladders. Unless we are also going to pretend that shuffling cards is a game. It also keeps your hands busy and has a random outcome.

[J1M]

This is a boomer-tier post. Anyone who says video games aren't a "legitimate art form" haven't been playing the right games. Stop playing tripe like Fortnite and Apex Legends.

Please keep art away from my interactive challenging experiences.

[revenant]

But you are claiming that non-interactive experiences are better than interactive ones and that is nonsense.

Being beaten up by a few lowlives ganged up on you is a challenging interactive experience. Doesn't mean it's better than reading or watching a movie.

I would argue that one can't actually play snakes and ladders. Unless we are also going to pretend that shuffling cards is a game. It also keeps your hands busy and has a random outcome.

This argument is irrelevant because he could have just picked chess or poker as another example. Your "argument" amounts to nitpicking.

Please keep art away from my interactive challenging experiences.

But video games do have artistic components and as such can be judged on the merits of art forms respective to them.

See how the resident blizztard has been blown out of the water by simple arguments. They are degenerates even among such losers like gamers.

[maidenhaver]

Video games aren't inferior because they haven't had time to develop (they probably developed faster than any other medium in existence, by comparison), they're inferior because they're fundamentally not as good as actual artforms.

Anyone who says video games aren't a "legitimate art form" haven't been playing the right games.

I'd say the actual state of decline is caused precisely by the compulsion to force video games into being considered art. Games don't want to simply be games anymore, devs loathe what they create because they can't be taken seriously by dad and mom in Christmas dinner so they try to pseud their way into artfaggotry. And all of this in conjunction creates a kind of hobbyist ashamed of the hobby he supposedly loves, because he also wants to be taken seriously by Stacy and society at large.

Games were simply better when they weren't so self-conscious about being games.

Vidya is art regardless if someone is forcing you to think its art. They're superior to music, painting, sculpting, theater and anything else that somebody at some point forced you to think was art.

[Decline]

Games are enjoyed by most all higher life on this planet, but only man requires money. This in turn is a consequence of games being professional i.e. require cavemen to specialize. And this then is because men requires his games to be highly complex to stimulate his higher brain functions.

tl;dr: deal with it.

[General Reign]

I like video games.

No, I like video games.

[Goth-Girl-Supremacy]

The only emotion video games get out of me is anger that I spent money on another ****** one.

[maidenhaver]

The arcade is the highest artform man achieved, the true continuation of the Italian Renaissance.

[Sweeper]

But you are claiming that non-interactive experiences are better than interactive ones and that is nonsense.

That's what separates video games from actual art forms. There's no agency when you view a painting, or movie, or when you listen to music. You're a passive observer of what the artist wanted to represent.
And art is, by definition, better than purely entertainment mediums which is what video games are.

Vidya is art regardless if someone is forcing you to think its art.

lmao

I'd say the actual state of decline is caused precisely by the compulsion to force video games into being considered art. Games don't want to simply be games anymore, devs loathe what they create because they can't be taken seriously by dad and mom in Christmas dinner so they try to pseud their way into artfaggotry. And all of this in conjunction creates a kind of hobbyist ashamed of the hobby he supposedly loves, because he also wants to be taken seriously by Stacy and society at large.

Games were simply better when they weren't so self-conscious about being games.

There's a reason for this. Subconsciously we all know that vidya goyslop will never be as good as a Tark film or a Dosto novel, hence the constant push to try and present and make games as art. Just look at Kojima and his video game movies. ************ wanted to be a director, couldn't hack it so he went into vidya.
Video games will never be an art form, purely because of the interactivity of video games. If you try and go down the Kojima route, you'll end up with an unfun vidya and a malformed piece of "art".
Vidya is fine as vidya and the best of vidya has no pretense on being an artform, just being fun. But that's also why they'll always be a shallow experience and in comparison to actual artforms, more of a waste of time.

[KnightoftheWind]

Games can ultimately be whatever the developer wants, they're just an interactive medium where your actions influence what happens on screen. You can make a high octane FPS, a strategy game, an RPG, a visual novel, point-and-click adventure. It's more malleable than any other form of art/entertainment.

A book will always be a book, just a collection of text. A movie will always be a movie, there are right ways to do things and wrong ways to do them. But games are different, you can play around with how a game is experienced, what the player sees and what he has control over. It's just unfortunate the era of innovation ended around 2006/2007. That's when everything became set-in-stone more or less, and companies were afraid to experiment ever since.

The former visionaries took a back seat to the increasing corporatization of video games. Too much money started flowing in, technology got too sophisicated and people were demanding what basically amounted to realistic Hollywood blockbusters.

[J1M]

But you are claiming that non-interactive experiences are better than interactive ones and that is nonsense.

That's what separates video games from actual art forms. There's no agency when you view a painting, or movie, or when you listen to music. You're a passive observer of what the artist wanted to represent.
And art is, by definition, better than purely entertainment mediums which is what video games are.

Vidya is art regardless if someone is forcing you to think its art.

lmao

I'd say the actual state of decline is caused precisely by the compulsion to force video games into being considered art. Games don't want to simply be games anymore, devs loathe what they create because they can't be taken seriously by dad and mom in Christmas dinner so they try to pseud their way into artfaggotry. And all of this in conjunction creates a kind of hobbyist ashamed of the hobby he supposedly loves, because he also wants to be taken seriously by Stacy and society at large.

Games were simply better when they weren't so self-conscious about being games.

There's a reason for this. Subconsciously we all know that vidya goyslop will never be as good as a Tark film or a Dosto novel, hence the constant push to try and present and make games as art. Just look at Kojima and his video game movies. ************ wanted to be a director, couldn't hack it so he went into vidya.
Video games will never be an art form, purely because of the interactivity of video games. If you try and go down the Kojima route, you'll end up with an unfun vidya and a malformed piece of "art".
Vidya is fine as vidya and the best of vidya has no pretense on being an artform, just being fun. But that's also why they'll always be a shallow experience and in comparison to actual artforms, more of a waste of time.

I will be more explicit. Just as "art" is distinct and separate from a "conversation", even though art can incorporate conversations, I view "games" as distinct and separate, even though games can incorporate art.

The elements of interactivity and challenge elevate games to a more demanding tier of entertainment.

(Even though many in the industry wish they were making "art" instead.)

Maybe some day people won't blindly accept the notion that "art" = "good" = "highest human aspiration".

[maidenhaver]

Every time you look at a painting, you interact with it, unless you are a prole.

[The_Mask]

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[MadPreacher]

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