[POLL] Are you a SEQUEL CONSERVATIVE?

[Vergil]

I played it until my save bugged out

This is a dementia apparition brought on by old age I promise.

It was . . . f u n

Not helping the case that this wasn't mental illness related

[orinEsque]

helldivers 2 is awesome because its the exact same game, but from a third person POV. Love it.

[Vergil]

its the exact same game

but from a third person POV

[Stack of Turtles]

there was no such thing as helldivers 1, they just titled it helldivers 2 to generate hype

[DecadeRiptide]

helldivers 2 is awesome because its the exact same game, but from a third person POV. Love it.

So £70 for third person update?
I preferred the first honestly. I actually thought about buying it again. Loved the art style and gameplay in it. Can't remember if they shut the servers down though.

[Magick]

helldivers 2 is awesome because its the exact same game, but from a third person POV. Love it.

So £70 for third person update?
I preferred the first honestly. I actually thought about buying it again. Loved the art style and gameplay in it. Can't remember if they shut the servers down though.

It's still going. Why would ya need to buy it again?

[DecadeRiptide]

helldivers 2 is awesome because its the exact same game, but from a third person POV. Love it.

So £70 for third person update?
I preferred the first honestly. I actually thought about buying it again. Loved the art style and gameplay in it. Can't remember if they shut the servers down though.

It's still going. Why would ya need to buy it again?

I had it on Xbox so would have to buy it on pc

[SoLong]

Change just for the sake of change is something I hate. That eternal cockgoblin Yahtzee is one of the prime defenders of wanting to constantly re-invent the wheel because he sees games as artforms (everyone who has been in a museum lately knows games are better than modern art). It's why he loathes Nintendo so much: that company (nonwithstanding their awful legal practices) is the best example for sticking to your guns and being loved for it.

By all means, innovate if you think you can improve something. Just make sure you follow the Chesterton's Fence principle: don't change or remove something until you understand why it was made that way in the first place.

[Norfleet]

(everyone who has been in a museum lately knows games are better than modern art).

Everything is better than modern art. As a wise man once said, "You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece!".

[Oyster Sauce]

It's why he loathes Nintendo so much: that company (nonwithstanding their awful legal practices) is the best example for sticking to your guns and being loved for it.

Like when Zelda switched over to open world survival crafting and outsold every previous title by an incredible margin?

[yangg]

I wanted a threequel for Deus Ex Jensen saga until I didn't (it would have flopped, kudos to someone at Eidos that had the bright idea of burying the project).
As replacement for third entry I watch from time to time

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[rusty_shackleford]

It's why he loathes Nintendo so much: that company (nonwithstanding their awful legal practices) is the best example for sticking to your guns and being loved for it.

Like when Zelda switched over to open world survival crafting and outsold every previous title by an incredible margin?

To be fair, most nintendies don't play other games and got to experience minecrafr-lite for the first time

[SoLong]

It's why he loathes Nintendo so much: that company (nonwithstanding their awful legal practices) is the best example for sticking to your guns and being loved for it.

Like when Zelda switched over to open world survival crafting and outsold every previous title by an incredible margin?

Windwaker did an open world in the style first (with a different artstyle, admittedly), and if either BotW or TotK are your definition of survival crafting then your understanding of the genre is painfully shallow.

They're all adventure games in which a guy named Link beats evil around the head via a selection of different weapons while searching for some bint. Let's not pretend a change of venue or gameplay machanics are some kind of seismic genre shift in the entire company.

Nintendo have made the same couple big games over and over again, with small improvements each time. Unlike other companies who want each and every game to be another revolution.

[Stack of Turtles]

Let's not pretend a change of venue or gameplay machanics are some kind of seismic genre shift in the entire company.

But changing gameplay mechanics is what the thread poll is about

[Oyster Sauce]

It's why he loathes Nintendo so much: that company (nonwithstanding their awful legal practices) is the best example for sticking to your guns and being loved for it.

Like when Zelda switched over to open world survival crafting and outsold every previous title by an incredible margin?

Windwaker did an open world in the style first (with a different artstyle, admittedly), and if either BotW or TotK are your definition of survival crafting then your understanding of the genre is painfully shallow.

They're all adventure games in which a guy named Link beats evil around the head via a selection of different weapons while searching for some bint. Let's not pretend a change of venue or gameplay machanics are some kind of seismic genre shift in the entire company.

Nintendo have made the same couple big games over and over again, with small improvements each time. Unlike other companies who want each and every game to be another revolution.

Whole lotta words for "it's not change when I like it"

[SpellSword]

These are the same game.

Mega Man 1-4.webp

They are also each worth playing individually.


If it is a sequel, changing the formula is not always a good thing...

(I don't think this is even edited, that's just normal gameplay.)

[SoLong]

Like when Zelda switched over to open world survival crafting and outsold every previous title by an incredible margin?

Windwaker did an open world in the style first (with a different artstyle, admittedly), and if either BotW or TotK are your definition of survival crafting then your understanding of the genre is painfully shallow.

They're all adventure games in which a guy named Link beats evil around the head via a selection of different weapons while searching for some bint. Let's not pretend a change of venue or gameplay machanics are some kind of seismic genre shift in the entire company.

Nintendo have made the same couple big games over and over again, with small improvements each time. Unlike other companies who want each and every game to be another revolution.

Whole lotta words for "it's not change when I like it"

Did you read the poll that came with the thread or does nonsense just dribble from you like so much drool?

"I refuse to be sold basically the same game with new makeup." vs "If the new game turns out too similar, that's fine, don't fix what isn't broken. Just give me some new toys to play with/a new story and take my money."

Please, explain to me how many recent Nintendo games break from the formula of "same game but with new makeup". A couple, if you squint and are very generous?

[SoLong]

Let's not pretend a change of venue or gameplay machanics are some kind of seismic genre shift in the entire company.

But changing gameplay mechanics is what the thread poll is about

Let's add another one to the "I didn't actually read the poll I'm commenting on" pile.

What do you think "new toys" means?

[Stack of Turtles]

Let's not pretend a change of venue or gameplay machanics are some kind of seismic genre shift in the entire company.

But changing gameplay mechanics is what the thread poll is about

Let's add another one to the "I didn't actually read the poll I'm commenting on" pile.

What do you think "new toys" means?

I think it means a new game with more of the same gameplay.

[SoLong]

But changing gameplay mechanics is what the thread poll is about

Let's add another one to the "I didn't actually read the poll I'm commenting on" pile.

What do you think "new toys" means?

I think it means a change of venue or gameplay mechanics.

Yes, and did you see that both options, both the "sequel conservative" and "innovation freak", want them, just with different approaches?

The former is cautious about them and doesn't want to fix things that aren't broken, the latter wants innovation just for innovation's sake.

My argument is that Nintendo follows the former philosophy, as demonstrated by the fact that their games are much more similar to each other with only incremental changes between installments.

Was that explanation clear enough? Because Oyster (and apparently you) seem to think I claimed that Nintendo changes nothing, ever, when that wasn't what I said even in the very first post I made in this thread.

[Stack of Turtles]

Let's add another one to the "I didn't actually read the poll I'm commenting on" pile.

What do you think "new toys" means?

I think it means a change of venue or gameplay mechanics.

Yes, and did you see that both options, both the "sequel conservative" and "innovation freak", want them, just with different approaches?

The former is cautious about them and doesn't want to fix things that aren't broken, the latter wants innovation just for innovation's sake.

My argument is that Nintendo follows the former philosophy, as demonstrated by the fact that their games are much more similar to each other with only incremental changes between installments.

Was that explanation clear enough? Because Oyster (and apparently you) seem to think I claimed that Nintendo changes nothing, ever, when that wasn't what I said even in the very first post I made in this thread.

Oh, I misunderstood your question before. No, only the "innovation" option wants a change of venue or gameplay mechanics. The other option doesn't.

[Oyster Sauce]

Please, explain to me how many recent Nintendo games break from the formula of "same game but with new makeup". A couple, if you squint and are very generous?

Idk, all of them? Pokemon just switched to real-time combat after 30 years of turn-based, Donkey Kong went 3D with a fully destructible world after 30 years of side scrolling, Mario Kart is now open world, Zelda is an open world physics block building series now.

Baldur's Gate 2 meets the criteria for the option you voted for, Baldur's Gate 3 does not, even if you can describe both as "fantasy adventure RPGs with parties and quests".

[WhiteShark]

If I really love Game, I will want more of Game, not something totally different with "Game 2" slapped on the box. Monster Hunter is one of my favorite series, and one that has been pretty conservative about change compared to many, but the modern entries have nevertheless lost my interest as they've slowly innovated their way out of the slower, more deliberate gameplay that made the early games so good. The only good reason I can see for radical innovation in a sequel is if the first entry sucked, but, if the first entry sucked, why make a sequel to it instead of something new?