The attempt to defame the great American Billy Mitchell has failed

[Rand]

Every expert in the world investigated his 20+ years of nonsense and found evidence of cheating.
MAME cabinets, video splicing, enhanced modern joysticks, etc, etc, etc.
Then they caught him lying about every last one on video multiple times.

He should have stuck to playing the game legit.
I have no doubt the other three+ weirdos he associated with, ALL of whom are ALSO multiply proven cheaters and liars, drew him into it.
The guy is clearly socially abnormal in the usual way and easily influenced. I've met his kind of personality before.

You want a redemption arc for him? Have him own up to his behavior and explain his mistakes.
If his easily diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder will allow him to, that is.

He's already begun the process by finally proving that he could play the game as well as he once did.
Encourage him to continue to take the moral course and admit and redress his prior wrongs.

[rusty_shackleford]

Every expert

I don't trust consider ****** speedrunning yewtoobers to be "experts".
Admit it, you just hate America.

[Rand]

Admit it, you just hate America.

Of course I do.
It's easily hateable, and with good reason. Just like every other country I ALSO hate on this cosmic shitball I'm trapped on.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Every expert

I don't trust consider ****** speedrunning yewtoobers to be "experts".
Admit it, you just hate America.

That’s unfair assertion when the evidence against Billy Mitchel does put into doubt to the validity of his claims.Just because the guy is ****** lover YouTuber doesn’t make his points any less true.

[rusty_shackleford]

when the evidence against Billy Mitchel does put into doubt to the validity of his claims

He beat his own records while livestreaming at arcades using real arcade cabinets despite being nearly 60.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

when the evidence against Billy Mitchel does put into doubt to the validity of his claims

He beat his own records while livestreaming at arcades using real arcade cabinets despite being nearly 60.

Ok. That still doesn’t excuse the many dubious actions in the past that puts to question his accomplishments.

[J1M]

when the evidence against Billy Mitchel does put into doubt to the validity of his claims

He beat his own records while livestreaming at arcades using real arcade cabinets despite being nearly 60.

Ok. That still doesn’t excuse the many dubious actions in the past that puts to question his accomplishments.

As described by a youtube documentary?

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

He beat his own records while livestreaming at arcades using real arcade cabinets despite being nearly 60.

Ok. That still doesn’t excuse the many dubious actions in the past that puts to question his accomplishments.

As described by a youtube documentary?

The only YouTuber I seen that has substantial evidence saying Billy Mitchell cheated is Karl Jobst. I’m sure there are others but he goes into the most details.

[Roderick]

What is going on with all the arcade disrespect.

[Gunnar]

If he has the skill to get the high scores, why would he need to cheat?

[1998]

Ok. That still doesn’t excuse the many dubious actions in the past that puts to question his accomplishments.

As described by a youtube documentary?

The only YouTuber I seen that has substantial evidence saying Billy Mitchell cheated is Karl Jobst. I’m sure there are others but he goes into the most details.

There was this other guy, Apollo Legend. Well, it was getting too much for him so he killed himself. He was also involved in some other drama, idk. Even left a goodbye video, that was...intense.

[1998]

Age restricted @Kalarion

[Rand]

If he has the skill to get the high scores, why would he need to cheat?

Because of his psychology. I've interacted with people EXACTLY like him.

Once he got the high score(s) and went for a period with it unchallenged, he took it as his due, and the example of his superiority he needed.
He took it and enshrined it as the kernel of his narcissistic worldview and self-image.
But most narcissists are possessed of a self image of deep seated insecurity, which they repress and hide, even from themselves.

As a social ****** and an narcissist, he is extremely vulnerable to positive social manipulation.
At least three malignant characters, also cheaters, reinforced his mindset. I will skip over their disorders for brevity.

When he was seriously challenged, his narcissism flared and he had to respond. But remember the insecurity? The "What if?" he couldn't succeed dominated his thoughts.
Again, he feels like these titles are his due, they fuel his need to feel "greatness" delusions to counteract his negative self-image.
So he was encouraged to take measures (cheating) that would ensure his dominance by his scumbag buddies, who did everything they could to help tilt the playing field.
Remember, to them he is "the greatest" so he would win anyway, but why work hard for what is your due anyway? They shouldn't have challenged him. Who do they think they are? Nobodies, that's who! They don't deserve to compete.
It was also a lot easier, with few perceived risks. Failure, to him, would be unthinkably catastrophic. People usually take the easy way to their goals.

Eventually, however, the landscape changed and he was left exposed. His own, literally insane, hubris led him into a situation where he had severe (not just psychological) consequences clearly approaching.
I know the other scumbags around him all scuttled off at some point when **** got real, so he seemed to have finally been forced to confront his issues.
It was critical, legally and psychologically, for him to actually show he could play the game at a high level, which he could, so he finally did.
I assume, like I said, that he's been actually practicing for a year or more.

There are a lot more subtleties and such I could have gone into, but the above is the gist of the analysis.

[J1M]

Or, alternative explanation:
-jealous people looking for notoriety know that they can only obtain it by slaying an american god and find an internet expert that doesn't understand old VHS recording equipment as well as they think they do

[Rand]

Or, alternative explanation:
-jealous people looking for notoriety know that they can only obtain it by slaying an american god and find an internet expert that doesn't understand old VHS recording equipment as well as they think they do

Don't be a ******** clown like Sack of Turtles.

[J1M]

Or, alternative explanation:
-jealous people looking for notoriety know that they can only obtain it by slaying an american god and find an internet expert that doesn't understand old VHS recording equipment as well as they think they do

Don't be a ******** clown like Sack of Turtles.

Not a big believer in guilt by association. Innocent until proven guilty. ROCK, FLAG, AND EAGLE.

Has anyone recreated the supposed cheat that Billy Mitchell used? Because from what I've heard about said method it sounds a lot easier to just earn the high score the normal way.

[Gunnar]

It seems to me they caught him on a technicality, like he played with a board that could theoretically be used for cheating, but theres no proof he actually cheated. Then people who already didn’t like him pointed to the technicality, and labelled him a cheater even though it makes no logical sense when you think about it.

[Stack of Turtles]

It seems to me they caught him on a technicality, like he played with a board that could theoretically be used for cheating, but theres no proof he actually cheated. Then people who already didn’t like him pointed to the technicality, and labelled him a cheater even though it makes no logical sense when you think about it.

Close. It seems that videos of his runs had graphical glitches which people assumed were caused by cheating, but which it turns out could easily have been caused by the hardware he claimed to use (which could not have been used for cheating), and apparently were never duplicated by anyone using the supposed cheat system in the first place, so it's not clear that cheating could even have caused them.

[Lich]

If he has the skill to get the high scores, why would he need to cheat?

Because of his psychology. I've interacted with people EXACTLY like him.

Once he got the high score(s) and went for a period with it unchallenged, he took it as his due, and the example of his superiority he needed.
He took it and enshrined it as the kernel of his narcissistic worldview and self-image.
But most narcissists are possessed of a self image of deep seated insecurity, which they repress and hide, even from themselves.

As a social ****** and an narcissist, he is extremely vulnerable to positive social manipulation.
At least three malignant characters, also cheaters, reinforced his mindset. I will skip over their disorders for brevity.

When he was seriously challenged, his narcissism flared and he had to respond. But remember the insecurity? The "What if?" he couldn't succeed dominated his thoughts.
Again, he feels like these titles are his due, they fuel his need to feel "greatness" delusions to counteract his negative self-image.
So he was encouraged to take measures (cheating) that would ensure his dominance by his scumbag buddies, who did everything they could to help tilt the playing field.
Remember, to them he is "the greatest" so he would win anyway, but why work hard for what is your due anyway? They shouldn't have challenged him. Who do they think they are? Nobodies, that's who! They don't deserve to compete.
It was also a lot easier, with few perceived risks. Failure, to him, would be unthinkably catastrophic. People usually take the easy way to their goals.

Eventually, however, the landscape changed and he was left exposed. His own, literally insane, hubris led him into a situation where he had severe (not just psychological) consequences clearly approaching.
I know the other scumbags around him all scuttled off at some point when **** got real, so he seemed to have finally been forced to confront his issues.
It was critical, legally and psychologically, for him to actually show he could play the game at a high level, which he could, so he finally did.
I assume, like I said, that he's been actually practicing for a year or more.

There are a lot more subtleties and such I could have gone into, but the above is the gist of the analysis.

I think psychologizing isn't enough to determine what happened with Mitchell.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

As described by a youtube documentary?

The only YouTuber I seen that has substantial evidence saying Billy Mitchell cheated is Karl Jobst. I’m sure there are others but he goes into the most details.

There was this other guy, Apollo Legend. Well, it was getting too much for him so he killed himself. He was also involved in some other drama, idk. Even left a goodbye video, that was...intense.

That’s very saddening to hear.

[rusty_shackleford]

Blaming other people for your suicide, unless they specifically goaded you into suicide, is an incredibly ****** thing to do btw.

[Vergil]

Old people

[1998]

Blaming other people for your suicide, unless they specifically goaded you into suicide, is an incredibly ****** thing to do btw.

Sure but he was clearly very sick. Wouldnt judge him for that.

[Norfleet]

Yes, I'm the one who thinks that someone who is near 60 can play video games competitively just as well as someone near 40.

Well, it depends on the game. And the drugs. Old people derive more benefit from drugs because we no longer care if it kills us and no longer have lives remaining to shorten.

[1998]

Your boi is not doing too hot in court, @rusty_shackleford .

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Your boi is not doing too hot in court, @rusty_shackleford .

Billy should stop filing frivolous lawsuits to people he doesn’t like.

[Kalarion]

It seems to me they caught him on a technicality, like he played with a board that could theoretically be used for cheating, but theres no proof he actually cheated. Then people who already didn’t like him pointed to the technicality, and labelled him a cheater even though it makes no logical sense when you think about it.

I generally agree, but caution is warranted when trying to reason this stuff out without context. We have examples of legends in sports fields doing exactly this (that is, cheating even though there's no logical reason for them to do so). Lance Armstrong is probably the best. He doped for over a dozen years despite being one of the greatest cyclers (the greatest?) of all time, and he also ruined multiple peoples' livelihood in the course of covering the doping up. Everyone thought the same thing: "Why would he cheat when he's already amazing? How can he possibly be cheating when he's actually taking people to court and winning?!" But he did.

[Gunnar]

It seems to me they caught him on a technicality, like he played with a board that could theoretically be used for cheating, but theres no proof he actually cheated. Then people who already didn’t like him pointed to the technicality, and labelled him a cheater even though it makes no logical sense when you think about it.

I generally agree, but caution is warranted when trying to reason this stuff out without context. We have examples of legends in sports fields doing exactly this (that is, cheating even though there's no logical reason for them to do so). Lance Armstrong is probably the best. He doped for over a dozen years despite being one of the greatest cyclers (the greatest?) of all time, and he also ruined multiple peoples' livelihood in the course of covering the doping up. Everyone thought the same thing: "Why would he cheat when he's already amazing? How can he possibly be cheating when he's actually taking people to court and winning?!" But he did.

Did Lance Armstrong ever prove he could win without doping though? He admitted he doped on every one of his wins.

[J1M]

It seems to me they caught him on a technicality, like he played with a board that could theoretically be used for cheating, but theres no proof he actually cheated. Then people who already didn’t like him pointed to the technicality, and labelled him a cheater even though it makes no logical sense when you think about it.

I generally agree, but caution is warranted when trying to reason this stuff out without context. We have examples of legends in sports fields doing exactly this (that is, cheating even though there's no logical reason for them to do so). Lance Armstrong is probably the best. He doped for over a dozen years despite being one of the greatest cyclers (the greatest?) of all time, and he also ruined multiple peoples' livelihood in the course of covering the doping up. Everyone thought the same thing: "Why would he cheat when he's already amazing? How can he possibly be cheating when he's actually taking people to court and winning?!" But he did.

Did Lance Armstrong ever prove he could win without doping though? He admitted he doped on every one of his wins.

Doping is the entire sport. It's not one guy that broke the rules, it's one guy that was too good at it.

[1998]

I generally agree, but caution is warranted when trying to reason this stuff out without context. We have examples of legends in sports fields doing exactly this (that is, cheating even though there's no logical reason for them to do so). Lance Armstrong is probably the best. He doped for over a dozen years despite being one of the greatest cyclers (the greatest?) of all time, and he also ruined multiple peoples' livelihood in the course of covering the doping up. Everyone thought the same thing: "Why would he cheat when he's already amazing? How can he possibly be cheating when he's actually taking people to court and winning?!" But he did.

Did Lance Armstrong ever prove he could win without doping though? He admitted he doped on every one of his wins.

Doping is the entire sport. It's not one guy that broke the rules, it's one guy that was too good at it.

I know people are saying he had the best medical support, but that's just speculation. It was really fair game, everybody was drugged up, and the No.2 also didn't get his stuff on some shady Nigerian black market.