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buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ June 30th, 2025, 21:30
SoLong wrote: ↑ June 30th, 2025, 20:32
CheesusCrust wrote: ↑ June 29th, 2025, 16:45
i think i saw someone else asking this, but you guys consider to de-buff Halsin one day?
Meh. Of all the things that are wrong with Halsin, his musculature isn't one of them. I pretty much expect party members in an RPG to be a bit odd by the usual standards of their race/class, otherwise they're just not interesting. Cosmetic changes to origin characters are something I'm generally leery of though, unless they have some truly catastrophic visual deficits.

If anything, I'm annoyed by the fact that he's just... there, in the third act. He has literally nothing to do after the Shadowlands are over and done with, and I think this is the result of Larian just deciding to make him a companion at the last minute.

Which is not something I have a problem with, since he took the spot of yet another obnoxious powerwoman. I'll take the bland druid instead, thanks.
He's the "poly" companion. If you bring him along after cleansing the shadow cursed lands, eventually he'll open up to you and ask if he can join in on whoever you're romancing.

Here's the best part, if you're romancing Shadowheart, and you tell Halsin no, both him and Shadowheart have dialogue that HEAVILY implies that they both go behind your back and have sex.

And that's just the tip of the degenerate iceberg with Halsin, nevermind all the zoophile and incest ****.
Ewww, yet another reason to use the Really Shadowheart mod and feed Halsin to Orin.
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If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
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Face wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 07:24
If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
Yeah, it's ridiculous that you can't remove the curse without Halsin.
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Face wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 07:24
If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
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Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43
Face wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 07:24
If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
the writer for halsin was hired after she wrote smut about halsin
hope that explains things
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:46
the writer for halsin was hired after she wrote smut about halsin
Really? How interesting. Can you tell more about that?
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Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:51
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:46
the writer for halsin was hired after she wrote smut about halsin
Really? How interesting. Can you tell more about that?
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ December 8th, 2024, 00:50
https://archive.ph/ZGU3S
"Why did it make such an impact on people?" Welch went on to say in their talk. "This is what it meant to me when I was involved in Baldur's Gate 3. This scene feels like a watershed moment in game history where the fanfiction community feels like they're not a subculture but are the majority audience being catered to in a scene and in the game as a whole.

"In order to reach out to that part of the community, Larian gave them an incredibly silly sequence that takes an identity moniker from the gay community - literally the gay bear becomes the bear (if no one has actually made the connection before) - and that is giving players something that feels like it's from the tradition of fanfic, or just something from your Discord ****-posting hole, and presenting it as a mainstream feature. And that feels like all the time you spent joking with your friends is validated. And how many games of this kind of scale have made you feel that way before?"

Welch's Develop presentation talked a lot about the importance of fanfiction for games. "Romance is one of the longest-tail parts of a fandom you can create," Welch said. "People will write about a good romance in fanfiction for years to come." It's the sort of discussion that sustains a game's community for a very long time - far longer than the main storylines themselves. The fanfiction community also appeals to female and LGBTQIA+ players in particular, Welch said - the sort of community that's propelled the collective love-in around Baldur's Gate 3 since it launched nearly a year ago.
:yuck:
"I don't think there were specific plans for him to be a love interest," Welch told me in a follow-up interview after their talk. However, the fanfiction community surrounding the game was clear about what they wanted, and what they wanted was "daddy Halsin". Welch knew this because they themselves were a part of that community. They'd written Astarion fanfiction before applying to work at the studio, and were partially hired for their embedded knowledge about what that community wanted (they also have a game design background alongside this).
Literally hired a fujoshi fanfic writer to make the game worse, thanks, I now hate all women.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:53
Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:51
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:46
the writer for halsin was hired after she wrote smut about halsin
Really? How interesting. Can you tell more about that?
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ December 8th, 2024, 00:50
https://archive.ph/ZGU3S
"Why did it make such an impact on people?" Welch went on to say in their talk. "This is what it meant to me when I was involved in Baldur's Gate 3. This scene feels like a watershed moment in game history where the fanfiction community feels like they're not a subculture but are the majority audience being catered to in a scene and in the game as a whole.

"In order to reach out to that part of the community, Larian gave them an incredibly silly sequence that takes an identity moniker from the gay community - literally the gay bear becomes the bear (if no one has actually made the connection before) - and that is giving players something that feels like it's from the tradition of fanfic, or just something from your Discord ****-posting hole, and presenting it as a mainstream feature. And that feels like all the time you spent joking with your friends is validated. And how many games of this kind of scale have made you feel that way before?"

Welch's Develop presentation talked a lot about the importance of fanfiction for games. "Romance is one of the longest-tail parts of a fandom you can create," Welch said. "People will write about a good romance in fanfiction for years to come." It's the sort of discussion that sustains a game's community for a very long time - far longer than the main storylines themselves. The fanfiction community also appeals to female and LGBTQIA+ players in particular, Welch said - the sort of community that's propelled the collective love-in around Baldur's Gate 3 since it launched nearly a year ago.
:yuck:
"I don't think there were specific plans for him to be a love interest," Welch told me in a follow-up interview after their talk. However, the fanfiction community surrounding the game was clear about what they wanted, and what they wanted was "daddy Halsin". Welch knew this because they themselves were a part of that community. They'd written Astarion fanfiction before applying to work at the studio, and were partially hired for their embedded knowledge about what that community wanted (they also have a game design background alongside this).
Literally hired a fujoshi fanfic writer to make the game worse, thanks, I now hate all women.
God, so many talented people around, and they hire low-grade trash from Wattpad. Unbelievable.
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Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43
Face wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 07:24
If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
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buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43
Face wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 07:24
If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
There was also a separate druid companion that was cut, she was actually in the game at one point during EA.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
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If you think about it, this explains why Halsin is so sexualized (overly muscular, constantly shirtless) and why he romances Shadowheart whether the player wants it or not. I hadn't really thought about it because in my playthroughs, he either die or just stays in camp the whole game. But now it all makes sense.

He's just a pathetic cardboard cutout straight out of a trash "female novel", or, in modern terms, fanfiction.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43


I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
There was also a separate druid companion that was cut, she was actually in the game at one point during EA.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
This is what happens when a development team is managed by talentless woke freaks.
This game could have had an interesting plot and characters, if not for the woke inject and those behind it.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43


I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
There was also a separate druid companion that was cut, she was actually in the game at one point during EA.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
I do wonder if it would be possible to restore Alfira as a companion. IIRC, the foundation is already there, and she even has approval and disapproval dialogue flags in the game files. Here's a photo i found of her gaining approval with you.
As for the druid companion, i don't think there's much left of her in the files.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
i don't think Alfira had any chances my dudes. she was much popular than Halsin duiring EA, way many speculations and hopes she'd become the next companion (it was darn logical the bard the party lacked should join next). i think Larian got ****** because of that, so they made Durge break her like a glowstick in retaliation ('muuuuuhhhhh fuckin' chuds wantin' a normal non-**** companion muuuhhhhh"). but even with that theory, they ****** up Halsin and Minthara's integration into the game sideways, they don't even react to events around them and don't even ******* have any comments like all other companions do. and it's been several ******* years! instead we have all voiced line for they/thems, what a great ******* achievement.

Halsin's writing as RO went even worse. his initial visage as calm and wise druid didn't match the writer's cringe wet dreams + rushed production and demands to implement the "fandom's beloved elf daddy" :yuck: . that's why we have an endearing **** with booming *** voice, awkward laughter and repetitive cringe phrases about nature. but hey, look at the mo-cap of the bear sex we spent the entire budget on instead. that'll cover everything, right?
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Helia has an hour of cut dialogue.



Which is more than all voiced companion dialogue in BG1 for reference.



edit: Astarion has almost 13 hours worth of dialogue so I'm not trying to imply that she was nearly finished in any way.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43


I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
There was also a separate druid companion that was cut, she was actually in the game at one point during EA.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
The original planned bard companion was a halfling werewolf bard, not sure Alfira was ever considered. https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Helia
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CheesusCrust wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 18:22
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
i don't think Alfira had any chances my dudes. she was much popular than Halsin duiring EA, way many speculations and hopes she'd become the next companion (it was darn logical the bard the party lacked should join next). i think Larian got ****** because of that, so they made Durge break her like a glowstick in retaliation ('muuuuuhhhhh fuckin' chuds wantin' a normal non-**** companion muuuhhhhh"). but even with that theory, they ****** up Halsin and Minthara's integration into the game sideways, they don't even react to events around them and don't even ******* have any comments like all other companions do. and it's been several ******* years! instead we have all voiced line for they/thems, what a great ******* achievement.

Halsin's writing as RO went even worse. his initial visage as calm and wise druid didn't match the writer's cringe wet dreams + rushed production and demands to implement the "fandom's beloved elf daddy" :yuck: . that's why we have an endearing **** with booming *** voice, awkward laughter and repetitive cringe phrases about nature. but hey, look at the mo-cap of the bear sex we spent the entire budget on instead. that'll cover everything, right?
...but she is a ****, though.
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Cipher wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 19:32
CheesusCrust wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 18:22
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00


But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
i don't think Alfira had any chances my dudes. she was much popular than Halsin duiring EA, way many speculations and hopes she'd become the next companion (it was darn logical the bard the party lacked should join next). i think Larian got ****** because of that, so they made Durge break her like a glowstick in retaliation ('muuuuuhhhhh fuckin' chuds wantin' a normal non-**** companion muuuhhhhh"). but even with that theory, they ****** up Halsin and Minthara's integration into the game sideways, they don't even react to events around them and don't even ******* have any comments like all other companions do. and it's been several ******* years! instead we have all voiced line for they/thems, what a great ******* achievement.

Halsin's writing as RO went even worse. his initial visage as calm and wise druid didn't match the writer's cringe wet dreams + rushed production and demands to implement the "fandom's beloved elf daddy" :yuck: . that's why we have an endearing **** with booming *** voice, awkward laughter and repetitive cringe phrases about nature. but hey, look at the mo-cap of the bear sex we spent the entire budget on instead. that'll cover everything, right?
...but she is a ****, though.
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BG3 is far worse if we talking about plot and characters. Halsin? He's just a warm-up act. The real can of woke worms is the entire Night Song and Isobel storyline. Just ponder those "eloquent metaphors" for a moment.

So, we've got Isobel. "Mysterious and beautiful" (at least from her writers' perspective), with her flowing white hair. The fate of all the poor souls in the Shadowlands hinges on her. She's an obvious self-insert for some woke *****.

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Then there's her ANGST-RIDDEN, suffering, angelic lover. A woman, of course. And naturally, it's a lesbian relationship. Why? Well, aside from the author's self-insert "shipping", just take a gander at the other participants in this little narrative and you'll grasp that it's all for the message.

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Next up, her villainous daddy, Ketheric Thorm. Obvious daddy issues and blatant allusions to the patriarchy. He literally feeds on the lesbian's suffering to "live forever" if someone still don't get "the message".

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And last, but certainly not least, her kidnapper. Marcus. A white, heterosexual male (what a coincidence), who is, naturally, a traitor (and I wouldn't be surprised if, in the writers' heads, he's secretly in love with Isobel and seething with jealousy over her lesbian paramour). He's trying to drag her back to her father, i.e., back into the suffocating embrace of the patriarchy. And in his noble efforts, he might even kill her (because "men are cruel and have no self-control whatsoever"). If you still harbor any doubts about the metaphor and Marcus being Night Song's antithesis and rival, they even gave him black wings, despite the fact that he's not even a damned Aasimar, just to make the parallels even more blindingly obvious! Because, you know, subtle hints are for the weak. They need to hit you over the head with it, screaming: "Look! He's EVIL! And he's a MAN!"

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Now, piece all that together, and tell me how does that look? Like a pile of ****, doesn't it? It's like artistic allusions to the "problems" of an overprivileged сalifornian femoid, bloated to cosmic scale by her equally cosmic stupidity.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 19:14
Helia has an hour of cut dialogue.



Which is more than all voiced companion dialogue in BG1 for reference.



edit: Astarion has almost 13 hours worth of dialogue so I'm not trying to imply that she was nearly finished in any way.
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Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 19:52
BG3 is far worse if we talking about plot and characters. Halsin? He's just a warm-up act. The real can of woke worms is the entire Night Song and Isobel storyline. Just ponder those "eloquent metaphors" for a moment.

So, we've got Isobel. "Mysterious and beautiful" (at least from her writers' perspective), with her flowing white hair. The fate of all the poor souls in the Shadowlands hinges on her. She's an obvious self-insert for some woke *****.

Image

Then there's her ANGST-RIDDEN, suffering, angelic lover. A woman, of course. And naturally, it's a lesbian relationship. Why? Well, just take a gander at the other participants in this little narrative and you'll grasp that it's all for the message.

Image

Next up, her villainous daddy, Ketheric Thorm. Obvious daddy issues and blatant allusions to the patriarchy. He literally feeds on the lesbian's suffering to "live forever" if someone still don't get "the message".

Image

And last, but certainly not least, her kidnapper. Marcus. A white, heterosexual male (what a coincidence), who is, naturally, a traitor (and I wouldn't be surprised if, in the writers' heads, he's secretly in love with Isobel and seething with jealousy over her lesbian paramour). He's trying to drag her back to her father, i.e., back into the suffocating embrace of the patriarchy. And in his noble efforts, he might even kill her. If you still harbor any doubts about the metaphor and Marcus being Night Song's antithesis and rival, they even gave him black wings, despite the fact that he's not even a damned Aasimar, just to make the parallels even more blindingly obvious! Because, you know, subtle hints are for the weak. They need to hit you over the head with it, screaming: "Look! He's EVIL! And he's a MAN!"

Image

Now, piece all that together, and tell me how does that look? Like a pile of ****, doesn't it? It's like artistic allusions to the "problems" of an overprivileged сalifornian femoid, bloated to cosmic scale by her equally cosmic stupidity.
His wings were his "gift from the Absolute". They belonged to Nightsong and were torn off I'm guessing by Balthazaar and grafted to Marcus.
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buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 20:15
Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 19:52
they even gave him black wings, despite the fact that he's not even a damned Aasimar, just to make the parallels even more blindingly obvious! Because, you know, subtle hints are for the weak. They need to hit you over the head with it, screaming: "Look! He's EVIL! And he's a MAN!"

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His wings were his "gift from the Absolute". They belonged to Nightsong and were torn off I'm guessing by Balthazaar and grafted to Marcus.
i would never ******* guessed it myself. i just saw a random dude with random skeletal wings that just looked odd and out of place, then watched the same dude call the winged horrors in the most cringe way... worst traitor reveal ever.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:53
Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:51
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:46
the writer for halsin was hired after she wrote smut about halsin
Really? How interesting. Can you tell more about that?
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ December 8th, 2024, 00:50
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"Why did it make such an impact on people?" Welch went on to say in their talk. "This is what it meant to me when I was involved in Baldur's Gate 3. This scene feels like a watershed moment in game history where the fanfiction community feels like they're not a subculture but are the majority audience being catered to in a scene and in the game as a whole.

"In order to reach out to that part of the community, Larian gave them an incredibly silly sequence that takes an identity moniker from the gay community - literally the gay bear becomes the bear (if no one has actually made the connection before) - and that is giving players something that feels like it's from the tradition of fanfic, or just something from your Discord ****-posting hole, and presenting it as a mainstream feature. And that feels like all the time you spent joking with your friends is validated. And how many games of this kind of scale have made you feel that way before?"

Welch's Develop presentation talked a lot about the importance of fanfiction for games. "Romance is one of the longest-tail parts of a fandom you can create," Welch said. "People will write about a good romance in fanfiction for years to come." It's the sort of discussion that sustains a game's community for a very long time - far longer than the main storylines themselves. The fanfiction community also appeals to female and LGBTQIA+ players in particular, Welch said - the sort of community that's propelled the collective love-in around Baldur's Gate 3 since it launched nearly a year ago.
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"I don't think there were specific plans for him to be a love interest," Welch told me in a follow-up interview after their talk. However, the fanfiction community surrounding the game was clear about what they wanted, and what they wanted was "daddy Halsin". Welch knew this because they themselves were a part of that community. They'd written Astarion fanfiction before applying to work at the studio, and were partially hired for their embedded knowledge about what that community wanted (they also have a game design background alongside this).
Literally hired a fujoshi fanfic writer to make the game worse, thanks, I now hate all women.
Ugh so he could have been an infinitely better character in the hands of a competent writer. That's such a **** shame. My two major problems with him is 1) it makes 0 sense how he "joins" us after the events of A1 but you can't actually use him until you help him rescue tree child 2) Again he... gets weird
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 20:15
Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 19:52
BG3 is far worse if we talking about plot and characters. Halsin? He's just a warm-up act. The real can of woke worms is the entire Night Song and Isobel storyline. Just ponder those "eloquent metaphors" for a moment.

So, we've got Isobel. "Mysterious and beautiful" (at least from her writers' perspective), with her flowing white hair. The fate of all the poor souls in the Shadowlands hinges on her. She's an obvious self-insert for some woke *****.

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Then there's her ANGST-RIDDEN, suffering, angelic lover. A woman, of course. And naturally, it's a lesbian relationship. Why? Well, just take a gander at the other participants in this little narrative and you'll grasp that it's all for the message.

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Next up, her villainous daddy, Ketheric Thorm. Obvious daddy issues and blatant allusions to the patriarchy. He literally feeds on the lesbian's suffering to "live forever" if someone still don't get "the message".

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And last, but certainly not least, her kidnapper. Marcus. A white, heterosexual male (what a coincidence), who is, naturally, a traitor (and I wouldn't be surprised if, in the writers' heads, he's secretly in love with Isobel and seething with jealousy over her lesbian paramour). He's trying to drag her back to her father, i.e., back into the suffocating embrace of the patriarchy. And in his noble efforts, he might even kill her. If you still harbor any doubts about the metaphor and Marcus being Night Song's antithesis and rival, they even gave him black wings, despite the fact that he's not even a damned Aasimar, just to make the parallels even more blindingly obvious! Because, you know, subtle hints are for the weak. They need to hit you over the head with it, screaming: "Look! He's EVIL! And he's a MAN!"

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Now, piece all that together, and tell me how does that look? Like a pile of ****, doesn't it? It's like artistic allusions to the "problems" of an overprivileged сalifornian femoid, bloated to cosmic scale by her equally cosmic stupidity.
His wings were his "gift from the Absolute". They belonged to Nightsong and were torn off I'm guessing by Balthazaar and grafted to Marcus.
I'm glad I've never gotten to experience "Dame" Aylin and get the chad Sir Aylen thanks to the blessed mod creators of this community :pepepray:
And a lot of the other pozzed stuff for that matter. Always ran with the No Alphabets, Better Aesthetics, Better Romance, Plus UI mods etc. this is my first playthrough with Realms Restored (mainly because I was just ignorant of it's existence) I'm not very far into it but I like a lot of the character redesigns except Kagha/Rath and that's just because their glowing eyes are offputting, don't look like they belong IMO

OH speaking of which I don't know it's possible to fix cinematic camera angles because I chuckled when the camera kept focusing on the revamped Nettie's crotch when she talked, where a dorf used to be.

Alfira def should have been a companion, and speaking of companions we have 0 shorties on the squad, WTF is Larian heightist? (I have no idea what the -ist word for against short folk is)

Honestly I think the game is overhyped in a lot of ways, I really just play it for the gameplay, it tickles that Neverwinter Night / Icewind Dale itch (I never knew about/played the original BG1 &2). I feel like the plot falls apart a lot in Act 3, A3 just always feels like a slog.
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Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 20:46
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:53
Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:51

Really? How interesting. Can you tell more about that?
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ December 8th, 2024, 00:50
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Literally hired a fujoshi fanfic writer to make the game worse, thanks, I now hate all women.
Ugh so he could have been an infinitely better character in the hands of a competent writer. That's such a **** shame. My two major problems with him is 1) it makes 0 sense how he "joins" us after the events of A1 but you can't actually use him until you help him rescue tree child 2) Again he... gets weird
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 20:15
Trickster wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 19:52
BG3 is far worse if we talking about plot and characters. Halsin? He's just a warm-up act. The real can of woke worms is the entire Night Song and Isobel storyline. Just ponder those "eloquent metaphors" for a moment.

So, we've got Isobel. "Mysterious and beautiful" (at least from her writers' perspective), with her flowing white hair. The fate of all the poor souls in the Shadowlands hinges on her. She's an obvious self-insert for some woke *****.

Image

Then there's her ANGST-RIDDEN, suffering, angelic lover. A woman, of course. And naturally, it's a lesbian relationship. Why? Well, just take a gander at the other participants in this little narrative and you'll grasp that it's all for the message.

Image

Next up, her villainous daddy, Ketheric Thorm. Obvious daddy issues and blatant allusions to the patriarchy. He literally feeds on the lesbian's suffering to "live forever" if someone still don't get "the message".

Image

And last, but certainly not least, her kidnapper. Marcus. A white, heterosexual male (what a coincidence), who is, naturally, a traitor (and I wouldn't be surprised if, in the writers' heads, he's secretly in love with Isobel and seething with jealousy over her lesbian paramour). He's trying to drag her back to her father, i.e., back into the suffocating embrace of the patriarchy. And in his noble efforts, he might even kill her. If you still harbor any doubts about the metaphor and Marcus being Night Song's antithesis and rival, they even gave him black wings, despite the fact that he's not even a damned Aasimar, just to make the parallels even more blindingly obvious! Because, you know, subtle hints are for the weak. They need to hit you over the head with it, screaming: "Look! He's EVIL! And he's a MAN!"

Image

Now, piece all that together, and tell me how does that look? Like a pile of ****, doesn't it? It's like artistic allusions to the "problems" of an overprivileged сalifornian femoid, bloated to cosmic scale by her equally cosmic stupidity.
His wings were his "gift from the Absolute". They belonged to Nightsong and were torn off I'm guessing by Balthazaar and grafted to Marcus.
I'm glad I've never gotten to experience "Dame" Aylin and get the chad Sir Aylen thanks to the blessed mod creators of this community :pepepray:
And a lot of the other pozzed stuff for that matter. Always ran with the No Alphabets, Better Aesthetics, Better Romance, Plus UI mods etc. this is my first playthrough with Realms Restored (mainly because I was just ignorant of it's existence) I'm not very far into it but I like a lot of the character redesigns except Kagha/Rath and that's just because their glowing eyes are offputting, don't look like they belong IMO

OH speaking of which I don't know it's possible to fix cinematic camera angles because I chuckled when the camera kept focusing on the revamped Nettie's crotch when she talked, where a dorf used to be.

Alfira def should have been a companion, and speaking of companions we have 0 shorties on the squad, WTF is Larian heightist? (I have no idea what the -ist word for against short folk is)

Honestly I think the game is overhyped in a lot of ways, I really just play it for the gameplay, it tickles that Neverwinter Night / Icewind Dale itch (I never knew about/played the original BG1 &2). I feel like the plot falls apart a lot in Act 3, A3 just always feels like a slog.
I wish I could play the game from scratch and forget the vanilla game existed... :sad:
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I'm not sure I fully understand but..
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buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43
Face wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 07:24
If there were a way to delete Halsin and replace him with Jaheira for the Shadowlands remove curse role that would be ideal.
I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
Nah. Alfira was always going to be Durge's designated murder victim. She only changes in sofar as her lesbianism and story relevance after surviving it was tacked on. Quill Grootslang (the dragonborn who appears if you save Alfira in a Durge run) was created to fill her story role if it's unavailable specifically for that reason.

The development timeline was apparently original Alfira -> lesbian Alifra -> save Alfira from Durge.

From what I gathered the last step was only included because people were upset that there was no way to save the lesbian from getting killed (because killing people is fine, but not if they're women who munch more carpet than a malfunctioning vacuum cleaner), so they included a way to spare her and hid her female attraction until act 3.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59
Evikdor39 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:43


I hate how the first time I got him he just seemed like a nice gentle giant guy, and then things got... weird... and I left him at camp and never talked to him again.

Apparently he was different in EA? I wonder if someone has done a Halsin restoration/rework mod.
I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
There was also a separate druid companion that was cut, she was actually in the game at one point during EA.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
No rusty, sorry. The original bard character was Helia, a halfling werewolf girlboss. Alfira was never meant to join the party, she was always just a bit character/Durge murder victim.
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SoLong wrote: ↑ July 3rd, 2025, 18:05
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 16:00
buttfucker 3000 wrote: ↑ July 2nd, 2025, 15:59


I think Alfira was originally meant to have his spot. But all the femgooners took a massive liking to Halsin in EA, so Larian gave the companion slot to him instead of Alfira.

Shame, I'd much rather have the cute tiefling bard than the rapey zoo-dude.
There was also a separate druid companion that was cut, she was actually in the game at one point during EA.
But Alfira was almost certainly meant to join the party as you don't have a bard, yet have two druids.
No rusty, sorry. The original bard character was Helia, a halfling werewolf girlboss. Alfira was never meant to join the party, she was always just a bit character/Durge murder victim.
There's still files in the game where Alfira gets rep adjustments in dialogue
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