Tim Cain says there are no bad games only different preferences and budgets... Agree? Disagree?

[Cogemeister]

just that in recent years Outer Worlds is a better RPG than many other games,

released 2019
so, off the top of my head

Enderal:Forgotten Stories, Archolos, Greedfall, Operencia, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, Grim Dawn, Wasteland 3, Naheulbeuk, Troubleshooter, ATOM RPG, ATOM RPG: Trudograd, Soylasta, King Arthur: Knight's Tale, BG3, Caves of Lore

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And I'm probably setting the bar way higher than it needs to be to be better than Outerworlds, a lot of mediocre RPGs released since then too.

I should have been more specific, I mainly mean AAA RPGs, also I could not get myself to like Greedfall whatsoever.

[Norfleet]

Tim Cain is wrong. Obviously, he has never seen Big Rigs.

[wndrbr]

just that in recent years Outer Worlds is a better RPG than many other games,

released 2019
so, off the top of my head

Enderal:Forgotten Stories, Archolos, Greedfall, Operencia, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, Grim Dawn, Wasteland 3, Naheulbeuk, Troubleshooter, ATOM RPG, ATOM RPG: Trudograd, Soylasta, King Arthur: Knight's Tale, BG3, Caves of Lore

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And I'm probably setting the bar way higher than it needs to be to be better than Outerworlds, a lot of mediocre RPGs released since then too.

I should have been more specific, I mainly mean AAA RPGs, also I could not get myself to like Greedfall whatsoever.

TOW is not an AAA game though, scope-wise it's close to Greedfall.

[Red7]

How can a person that helped create my favourite game ever be so ********?

He is a ******.

a fat ******.
looks pedo ****** too.

[Red7]

Tim Cain is wrong. Obviously, he has never seen Big Rigs.

big rigs has 0 ******/futa/gay content and no vag protagonist, better game than most made last 5 years

[Yankee Zulu]

Why would you ******* care about what this fat ****** has to say?

[Xenich]

just that in recent years Outer Worlds is a better RPG than many other games,

released 2019
so, off the top of my head

Enderal:Forgotten Stories, Archolos, Greedfall, Operencia, Pathfinder: Kingmaker, Grim Dawn, Wasteland 3, Naheulbeuk, Troubleshooter, ATOM RPG, ATOM RPG: Trudograd, Soylasta, King Arthur: Knight's Tale, BG3, Caves of Lore

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And I'm probably setting the bar way higher than it needs to be to be better than Outerworlds, a lot of mediocre RPGs released since then too.

When all the women are 3's, a 6 starts to look like a 10. The bar is so low that we grasp at even the slightest result as being "better". It is an unfortunate state in the world today.

[gerey]

When all the women are 3's, a 6 starts to look like a 10. The bar is so low that we grasp at even the slightest result as being "better". It is an unfortunate state in the world today.

I agree with the general sentiment, but even at release people were ******** on Outer Worlds, citing the ******** story, the overabundance of ***** and the boring gameplay.

People were expecting New Vegas in space, and instead they got dumbed down Skyrim with a moronic Marxist narrative.

[Roguey]

People were expecting New Vegas in space, and instead they got dumbed down Skyrim with a moronic Marxist narrative.

It's neither Skyrim (not open world) nor Marxist, just bog-standard liberal. The good ending requires trusting in the abilities of Great Minds to pull you through a crisis, that's antithetical to the belief that everyone is equal and equally capable.

[Irenaeus]

Why would you ******* care about what this fat ****** has to say?

He used to code good games back in the 90s and early 2000s. Other than that, I don't know.

[Irenaeus]

People were expecting New Vegas in space,

Already a very silly premise.



Yes, this quest might have soured me in the game (I dropped it about 5 hours later).

[Breathe]

He's a ****** nowadays. Probably always was one.

[WaterMage]

Forspoken is objectively a bad game in every aspect. Refuted.

[Yankee Zulu]

He's a ****** nowadays. Probably always was one.

What, dont tell me you dont know hes gay. He even complained about how it was hard for him to develop games as a ***.

[maidenhaver]

What it hard to be gay, all the underage fans?

[rusty_shackleford]

he required the government to force his employer to publicly praise his specific sexual fetish before he could make significantly worse games

[OnTilt]

The good ending requires trusting in the abilities of Great Minds to pull you through a crisis, that's antithetical to the belief that everyone is equal and equally capable.

Haven't played it, but this sounds more like "trust the experts" than some sort of based realism.

[Roguey]

Haven't played it, but this sounds more like "trust the experts" than some sort of based realism.

The Experts are the people running the corporations and their own scientists.

[Breathe]

He's a ****** nowadays. Probably always was one.

What, dont tell me you dont know hes gay. He even complained about how it was hard for him to develop games as a ***.

Didn't know, but looks like my intuition was right.

[Red7]

Outer Worlds is a better RPG than Starfield, Forspoken, and Redfall put together.

That's not the "gotcha" you think it is. Forspoken and Redfall were so awful that they sunk their respective studios with them, and Starfield is widely regarded as one of the most embarrassing falls from grace in the history of gaming.

Compared to that, of course a piece of **** like Outer Worlds will look marginally better.

I’m not meaning it as a gotchya, just that in recent years Outer Worlds is a better RPG than many other games, which is pretty sad/ telling. I’ve only been playing Indie games as of late, which is fine but I’m still holding out that a good AAA rpg comes out.

u gotta be trolling. i would rather be smashed repetedly in balls like of those new lame bond movies where bond is played by fugly midget gremlin looking ***, than play this disgusting woke **** abomination.

its ugliest, dykiest game ive ever seen

[Oyster Sauce]

That's not the "gotcha" you think it is. Forspoken and Redfall were so awful that they sunk their respective studios with them, and Starfield is widely regarded as one of the most embarrassing falls from grace in the history of gaming.

Compared to that, of course a piece of **** like Outer Worlds will look marginally better.

I’m not meaning it as a gotchya, just that in recent years Outer Worlds is a better RPG than many other games, which is pretty sad/ telling. I’ve only been playing Indie games as of late, which is fine but I’m still holding out that a good AAA rpg comes out.

i would rather be smashed repetedly in balls like of those new lame bond movies

Casino Royale is nearly twenty years old

[Yankee Zulu]

About what thus ****** said. This is a complete and utter ****. Its like saying there are no fat ballerinas or that every woman is beautiful. This is LGBTQKJHGFFS+ perverse way of thinking. People like this perverse the nature of beauty. They consider ugly things beautiful.

[Red7]

I’m not meaning it as a gotchya, just that in recent years Outer Worlds is a better RPG than many other games, which is pretty sad/ telling. I’ve only been playing Indie games as of late, which is fine but I’m still holding out that a good AAA rpg comes out.

i would rather be smashed repetedly in balls like of those new lame bond movies

Casino Royale is nearly twenty years old

yes but its one of newest and last movies i watched

[Tweed]

There are no bad games, only bad game developers.

The games dindu nuffin.

[Shillitron]

I should have been more specific, I mainly mean AAA RPGs, also I could not get myself to like Greedfall whatsoever.

Outer Worlds is one of the most mediocre games I've ever played. It's not the worst game but it might be the most boring.

For comparison, I found ~30 hours of fun in starfield. That's how tolerable I am despite my constant bitching and whining.

Outer Worlds when you wake up and the first person you meet is Rick from Rick and Morty.. I'm already sighing and regretting life - by the time you hit the first planet and start engaging in combat (~10 minutes) it becomes 100% apparent what this game is - it's all downhill from there.

If you are actually enjoying this game running around Boom Boom Lasering Aliens and Non-Descript "Bandits", you are literally smooth brained.

[NotAI]

"...fat ballerinas..."

But fat ballerinas can sort of dance well too though. (They just can't jump very high.) Just like sumo wrestlers can actually run very fast. (They just can't jump very high.)

So fat ballerinas is an imperfect example. Fat people might still be good at everything else. They're just also fat.

Whereas bad games tend to be bad in every respect, except maybe for one. Maybe not even one.

Which, by the way, is how one could dispute the "well, it's just different preferences" argument. Most bad games are bad according to nearly all preferences.

That argument (Tim Cain et al) conjectures that one of the large majorities like these "bad" games, while you just happen to be in the tiny minority that doesn't. Hence you think it is "bad", but it's not; you don't like it.

However, in fact, it's more like you are in the large majority that doesn't like these games, which are bad in every respect except one, and some people who like them are in a tiny minority that has lexicographic preferences for that one thing the game is good at; and, rather, consumers have too little impact, with their money on what gets made. Even if they have plenty of impact on what loses money, after being made, and studio closures. (Not as paradoxical as it seems. The currently enormous relative cost of making games creates a chicken and egg problem...) Most people want to play games but can't buy what doesn't exist. They try playing what they can buy at all. (There are further subtleties in this market.)

To make the proper comparison, you'll need to compare bad games to people who are unbelievably obese and incredibly stupid and totally crazy and utterly illiterate BUT they have the best furby collection in the world, or the best tongue piercing, or something like that.

[Nooneatall]

"...fat ballerinas..."

But fat ballerinas can sort of dance well too though. (They just can't jump very high.) Just like sumo wrestlers can actually run very fast. (They just can't jump very high.)

So fat ballerinas is an imperfect example. Fat people might still be good at everything else. They're just also fat.

Whereas bad games tend to be bad in every respect, except maybe for one. Maybe not even one.

Which, by the way, is how one could dispute the "well, it's just different preferences" argument. Most bad games are bad according to nearly all preferences.

That argument (Tim Cain et al) conjectures that one of the large majorities like these "bad" games, while you just happen to be in the tiny minority that doesn't. Hence you think it is "bad", but it's not; you don't like it.

However, in fact, it's more like you are in the large majority that doesn't like these games, which are bad in every respect except one, and some people who like them are in a tiny minority that has lexicographic preferences for that one thing the game is good at; and, rather, consumers have too little impact, with their money on what gets made. Even if they have plenty of impact on what loses money, after being made, and studio closures. (Not as paradoxical as it seems. The currently enormous relative cost of making games creates a chicken and egg problem...) Most people want to play games but can't buy what doesn't exist. They try playing what they can buy at all. (There are further subtleties in this market.)

To make the proper comparison, you'll need to compare bad games to people who are unbelievably obese and incredibly stupid and totally crazy and utterly illiterate BUT they have the best furby collection in the world, or the best tongue piercing, or something like that.

The tiny minority are the games journalists and if you put some ****** millennial reddit humor in the game and put in a super easy mode with a lot of cutscenes so they can mostly watch it and complete it in 10 hours they will say it's the best game ever made. The majority are low iq ea sports games consumers who spend on micro transactions for better players. The other minority is us, people who remember when single player games used to be made that were fun and engaging and not made for *******.

[Roguey]

Outer Worlds when you wake up and the first person you meet is Rick from Rick and Morty..

Like Rick, it's a take on Doc Brown, not a take on Rick.

[NotAI]

"...watch it and complete it in 10 hours..."

What about the typical Final Fantasy?

It's like 40 hours average length. 75% cutscenes: check.

Do you like it?

I sort of like it...though I can't really figure out what's the exact plot...not very clear what is happening and why and what for...like in Rebirth. Confusing...but not bad.

So there are okay-ish ways to make games that are basically very long fantasy films.

[Shillitron]

Outer Worlds when you wake up and the first person you meet is Rick from Rick and Morty..

Like Rick, it's a take on Doc Brown, not a take on Rick.

Who cares.