[BG3] No Female Warriors mod request

[Vergil]

It feels so good it should cost
Bought a alligator, I ain't talkin' Lacoste

[Xenich]

I don't even fully disagree with you but A) that is the gayest argument ever. What makes a fantasy setting good or not is typically how immersive it is for the reader/player. The entire point is to blur the lines between our world and this other one, and just because you have magic or dragons (which btw, not long ago and even today people still see this as much of a matter of fact as it is fantasy) does not mean the world is unbelievable. Good fantasy settings operate within certain rules and the like, just like our own, and typically mirror it in many ways. You can't just get rid of gravity without good reason, even though that's fantastical in your definition. This is not the same as low-tier capeshit, or at least it shouldn't be.

B) Saying every person's view is different is also gay and ******** and sounds like something a libshit would say. Just because you deny a biological reality does not mean something should cater to it to appease everyone. There is a large difference between fantasy and imagination, and what you are describing is just imagination. Interestingly, people never make this argument for Sci-fi despite it applying just as much...

Women should be able to overcome biological reality with magic or divine intervention though. Otherwise you are denying the underpinning rules of for example dnd universe. So yes a bland barbarian or warrior won't produce exceptional warriors, but a cleric/paladin/mage using Strength/Champion's Strength/ Tenser's Transformation should be able to fight if they wanted in melee. I cast Tenser Transformation on rogue/mage after blowing the penultimate spell in timestop for example.

I never disagreed with that, however magic typically isn't something super common either, so most fighters are heavily relying on the biological abilities first and foremost. I think dnd, especially by 5e, has significantly degraded in its setting capabilities as well though. Women being sorcereresses and clerics makes a lot of sense to me. if they have the faith or magic capabilities, it would be a natural choice. Paladins less so, as for frontline roles, you'd have to be casting those spells constantly in every engagement just to be on equal footing with some bandit.

There are always exceptions, but that's the whole point: they are exceptions and should be a rarity. I am fine with a freak of nature like Chyna (pic related) but only if its truly exceptional. These are .0001% of the female population or less in a world with access to steroids and other PEDs.

None of this really covers the psychological side of things either. A female mage who witnesses atrocities or is in the face of danger is also just more likely to freeze up or choke or **** up, especially under pressure. It's why female cops accidentally shoot people more often or why they freeze up in the worst situations. Do all do this? no but enough do that you would not want a female cop with a gun pulling you over.

Takes a lot more elements than muscle mass and women biologically do not have those features.

I watched a professional trainer explain how he could take a woman who was at an exceptional range in lifting, then take a guy who is "average" (edit: let me clarify, not average lifter, but just an average guy off the street) and have him outlifting her with only 3 months of training.

[Anon]

Call me Orin's simp deluxe

It's known gays form easy and deep friendship bonds with women, don't worry

[orinEsque]

Call me Orin's simp deluxe

It's known gays form easy and deep friendship bonds with women, don't worry

Now that I think about it Slavic deserves praise for being consistently nice despite being exposed to all the assholes in this forum. I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere.

[Anon]

Call me Orin's simp deluxe

It's known gays form easy and deep friendship bonds with women, don't worry

Now that I think about it Slavic deserves praise for being consistently nice despite being exposed to all the assholes in this forum. I feel like there's a pun in there somewhere.

I don't deserve such an adjective, I'm nice with everybody including slavic

[orinEsque]

It's known gays form easy and deep friendship bonds with women, don't worry

Now that I think about it Slavic deserves praise for being consistently nice despite being exposed to all the assholes in this forum. I feel like there's a pun in there somewhere.

I don't deserve such an adjective, I'm nice with everybody including slavic

Rest assured, it wasn't aimed at you.

[WhiteShark]

@OnTilt I think what @Nammu Archag is getting at is that suspension of disbelief is only valid if the fantasy framework supplies a justification. That's why we all instinctively understand how stupid the BMW in LotR is: the setting has a basis for magic and dragons but not for a 21st century technological device. We can suspend our disbelief of magic and dragons because they are consistent with that world, but we can't do so for the car because it isn't. Likewise with females in fighting roles: unless we are given some reason to believe that the women of the setting are fundamentally different from those in reality, suspension of disbelief is going to be stretched or broken when we see them wading into combat alongside men.

[Orvas Dren]

@OnTilt I think what @Nammu Archag is getting at is that suspension of disbelief is only valid if the fantasy framework supplies a justification. That's why we all instinctively understand how stupid the BMW in LotR is: the setting has a basis for magic and dragons but not for a 21st century technological device. We can suspend our disbelief of magic and dragons because they are consistent with that world, but we can't do so for the car because it doesn't. Likewise with females in fighting roles: unless we are given some reason to believe that the women of the setting are fundamentally different from those in reality, suspension of disbelief is going to be stretched or broken when we see them wading into combat alongside men.

Thanks this is exactly what I was trying to get at

[Oyster Sauce]

I don't really care about physique. A woman can be a 7 foot tall muscular beast and I still wouldn't like her in a combat role. Millions of skinny teenaged boys have gone to war.
Women just don't really enjoy fighting, they don't have graphic thoughts about killing people they perceive as enemies literally every couple of hours every day, they would never be willing to climb a ladder with guys waiting to stab them at the top or stick their heads into the line of enemy fire to take a shot. You're essentially just writing men with the bodies and AGP porn fantasy superficial personalities of women when you make a warrior lady.

[ArcaneLurker]

females are for healies

(they kiss the booboo and make it better)

[rusty_shackleford]

females are for healies

(they kiss the booboo and make it better)

I thought u simped Neera the fatty, too?

We already went over this, she's not the fat one. She's the cute half-elf.

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't really care about physique. A woman can be a 7 foot tall muscular beast and I still wouldn't like her in a combat role. Millions of skinny teenaged boys have gone to war.
Women just don't really enjoy fighting, they don't have graphic thoughts about killing people they perceive as enemies literally every couple of hours every day, they would never be willing to climb a ladder with guys waiting to stab them at the top or stick their heads into the line of enemy fire to take a shot. You're essentially just writing men with the bodies and AGP porn fantasy superficial personalities of women when you make a warrior lady.

Most 'warrior lady' stuff is for and by coomers, who are also AGPs.

[Rand]

Do all do this? no but enough do that you would not want a female cop with a gun pulling you over.

Man, I don't trust male cops with guns, given the ******* I see get jobs in that profession.
Which is not meant to lessen your point at all.
Temperament is a thing and women do live different mental lives than men for many reasons.
But this isn't your best potential argument.

[Rand]

I watched Xena as a kid. I don't even consider a woman being a melee combat class - warrior, barbarian, or otherwise - as woke, because we had great female warrior characters before

That show was in many ways woke-adjacent except the people who made it weren't woke so it wasn't the hateful ******** we know and loathe. And it wasn't made by Americans and in the 90s which meant the cultural influences weren't there either.

Imagine if they made a reboot now...

[orinEsque]

I watched Xena as a kid. I don't even consider a woman being a melee combat class - warrior, barbarian, or otherwise - as woke, because we had great female warrior characters before

That show was in many ways woke-adjacent except the people who made it weren't woke so it wasn't the hateful ******** we know and loathe. And it wasn't made by Americans and in the 90s which meant the cultural influences weren't there either.

Imagine if they made a reboot now...

I doubt you have to imagine, give it a few months and they'll come out with a reboot. Hollywood has no writing of substance and is relying solely on rebooting everything of old.

[Shillitron]

I thought u simped Neera the fatty, too?

We already went over this, she's not the fat one. She's the cute half-elf.

[Anon]

I watched Xena as a kid. I don't even consider a woman being a melee combat class - warrior, barbarian, or otherwise - as woke, because we had great female warrior characters before

That show was in many ways woke-adjacent except the people who made it weren't woke so it wasn't the hateful ******** we know and loathe. And it wasn't made by Americans and in the 90s which meant the cultural influences weren't there either.

Imagine if they made a reboot now...

Wokeism didn't create anything new, they only reuse old agendas in an obnoxious, artificial, forceful and uncreative way. Xena isn't woke because its creators weren't concerned with race quotas or pandering to minority demands, or changed their content because they were afraid of such minorities, etc. (AFAIK)

[Orvas Dren]

Do all do this? no but enough do that you would not want a female cop with a gun pulling you over.

Man, I don't trust male cops with guns, given the ******* I see get jobs in that profession.
Which is not meant to lessen your point at all.
Temperament is a thing and women do live different mental lives than men for many reasons.
But this isn't your best potential argument.

For a normal male cop, as ******** as they might be, it is unheard of that they mistake their tazer for a ******* gun and unload into someone. Yet female cops have already done it multiple times despite being a minority and recent addition. What point are you even trying to make here?

[Magick]

I think this would have gone down better if it didn't start off as posts in NoAlphabets, which has doesn't really have anything to do with NoFemenism..

As to the topic though, I don't think there's anything wrong with "strong females" in fantasy, considering the "bikini-clad amazon warrior lady" is as staple to fantasy as the loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian man..

► GoldenAxe Cover

I mean come on now, the classic "Chainmail Bikini" isn't going to be worn by a priestess or female mage is it, it's designed for female FIGHTERS.

In a FANTASY world, such a woman shouldn't have any trouble taking on the average (untrained) man (different to reality). The amazon lady in GoldenAxe above wouldn't be able to take the Barbarian, but she absolutely would dispatch some rando pleb male or squishy male classes. Also the way that the warrior/barbarian lady was portrayed in the D&D movie, wasn't bad at all. Strong and dumb, not a good-at-everything girlboss mary sue.

However, BG3 does take that a bit too far, where nearly every position of power is filled with a "strong female" and every armour-clad / front-line fighter/bruiser in your party is a woman. Where the **** is the typical male "knight in shining armour" ffs? Halsin and Wyll don't really count for that. I think those design choices were very intentional, so something that balances that a bit could make the game more interesting, just as the Better Aesthetics mod does.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

as staple to fantasy as the loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian man..

I miss having loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian men in my fantasy...

However, BG3 does take that a bit too far, where nearly every position of power is filled with a "strong female" and every armour-clad / front-line fighter/bruiser in your party is a woman. Where the **** is the typical male "knight in shining armour" ffs? Halsin and Wyll don't really count for that. I think those design choices were very intentional, so something that balances that a bit could make the game more interesting, just as the Better Aesthetics mod does.

Halsin and Wyll are spellcasters/spellblades one way or the other
Gale is a Wizard
Astarion is a rogue with Arcane Trickster as suggested subclass
That bald dude with a hamster is a Sorcerer

What was weird to me with BG3 is that there is no male warrior in the pool of characters you can romance and recruit
Not even a Paladin

That show was in many ways woke-adjacent except the people who made it weren't woke so it wasn't the hateful ******** we know and loathe. And it wasn't made by Americans and in the 90s which meant the cultural influences weren't there either.

Imagine if they made a reboot now...

Eh, I was a kid when I watched it
Whenever it was woke-adjacent or not it didnt matter to me at the time
I liked the action and Xena kicking ***

Just watch "Masters of the Universe" and you'll see what kind of reboot it would be

[SoLong]

I doubt you have to imagine, give it a few months and they'll come out with a reboot. Hollywood has no writing of substance and is relying solely on rebooting everything of old.

True. Though it's not just Hollywood now. I'd argue that neither Amazon nor Netflix are Hollywood strictly speaking yet they also churn out trash by the truckload.

Look at their Rangz of Powa and Velma series: Absolutely horrid by every measurable metric. This is why I'm sure the rot continues to spread: Today's writers aren't content just writing unlikeable uber-powered Mary Sues like Dame Aylin. No, they have to take old, actually well written characters and turn them into insufferable girlbosses retroactively.

[Rand]

Eh, I was a kid when I watched it
Whenever it was woke-adjacent or not it didnt matter to me at the time
I liked the action and Xena kicking ***

Just watch "Masters of the Universe" and you'll see what kind of reboot it would be

Except even moreso.

[Vergil]

Call me Orin's simp deluxe

It's known gays form easy and deep friendship bonds with women, don't worry

Now that I think about it Slavic deserves praise for being consistently nice despite being exposed to all the assholes in this forum. I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere.

Slavic history month was last month you don't have to glaze anymore check the tab description.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

It's known gays form easy and deep friendship bonds with women, don't worry

Now that I think about it Slavic deserves praise for being consistently nice despite being exposed to all the assholes in this forum. I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere.

Slavic history month was last month you don't have to glaze anymore check the tab description.

Actually, the US has Polish American History (or rather heritage) Month in October



I know you wanted to compare Slavs to negroes but I've heard that joke multiple times before it's boring

[Vergil]

I know you wanted to compare Slavs to negroes but I've heard that joke multiple times before it's boring

The site literally had "Happy Slavic History Month" in the tab description last month which is what I was referring to.

[Xenich]

Do all do this? no but enough do that you would not want a female cop with a gun pulling you over.

Man, I don't trust male cops with guns, given the ******* I see get jobs in that profession.
Which is not meant to lessen your point at all.
Temperament is a thing and women do live different mental lives than men for many reasons.
But this isn't your best potential argument.

For a normal male cop, as ******** as they might be, it is unheard of that they mistake their tazer for a ******* gun and unload into someone. Yet female cops have already done it multiple times despite being a minority and recent addition. What point are you even trying to make here?

The funny one I saw was the video of four women police officers in one of the inner US cities trying to arrest a guy who had been shop lifting and it really is pathetic. Seriously, women SHOULD NOT be police officers, they don't have the physical strength to do the work and all too often this requires them to elevate use of force to unreasonable levels (seen this a lot with female police officers) who overcompensate with excessive force to be able to handle an incident that should be easily manageable for a single police officer, maybe with a backup.

Note: I also do not think men who are weak should be police officers, fireman, etc... as well for the same reasons and the original testing requirements used to keep them from passing the physicals, but now, it is ******** weak men and women jumping to excessive force because they can not properly restrain someone through controlled physical techniques).

[Xenich]

Xena was still "early" representation of the programming they were doing (as was much of the TV of the era), but... it wasn't excessive as today and it was reasoned internally within the fantasy (ie she was magically strong due to her lineage, much like Hercules). I never cared for it personally, my idea of the "Strong Women" was more the Ellen Ripley (Alien) style character. The "Strong Female" within the realm of being a woman, but a women none the less in both emotional states and physical ability. Her character overcame her situations showing these feminine elements while displaying her fight to be able to deal with them in a given situation. It was more believable than many of the women who are portraited as simply "Men" with a vagina who have a **** fetish attitude.

Not saying those type of women don't exist (ie the butch dike with a chip on their shoulder), but I have seen them put in their place many times due to starting a fight with a guy who didn't have the "Never hit a lady" hang up. I think that is why I get disgusted seeing those stereotypes being presented as the "representation" of what a strong women is as they are the opposite, more akin to the cowardice of a hot tempered male who always gets their asses kicked by real men. In modern women fantasy, they always get to be portrayed as being the hero that teaches the silly weak men a lesson on equality. It is revolting fantasy narrative.

[Anon]

as staple to fantasy as the loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian man..

I miss having loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian men in my fantasy...

However, BG3 does take that a bit too far, where nearly every position of power is filled with a "strong female" and every armour-clad / front-line fighter/bruiser in your party is a woman. Where the **** is the typical male "knight in shining armour" ffs? Halsin and Wyll don't really count for that. I think those design choices were very intentional, so something that balances that a bit could make the game more interesting, just as the Better Aesthetics mod does.

Halsin and Wyll are spellcasters/spellblades one way or the other
Gale is a Wizard
Astarion is a rogue with Arcane Trickster as suggested subclass
That bald dude with a hamster is a Sorcerer

Minsc is a ranger though.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

as staple to fantasy as the loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian man..

I miss having loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian men in my fantasy...

However, BG3 does take that a bit too far, where nearly every position of power is filled with a "strong female" and every armour-clad / front-line fighter/bruiser in your party is a woman. Where the **** is the typical male "knight in shining armour" ffs? Halsin and Wyll don't really count for that. I think those design choices were very intentional, so something that balances that a bit could make the game more interesting, just as the Better Aesthetics mod does.

Halsin and Wyll are spellcasters/spellblades one way or the other
Gale is a Wizard
Astarion is a rogue with Arcane Trickster as suggested subclass
That bald dude with a hamster is a Sorcerer

Minsc is a ranger though.

Huh, why did he strike me as a Sorc I have no idea
Anyway, a dex-based class
Closer to the melee combat ones like Paladin and Fighter, but still associated with dexterity; just like Astarion

[Anon]

I miss having loin-cloth muscle hulk barbarian men in my fantasy...





Halsin and Wyll are spellcasters/spellblades one way or the other
Gale is a Wizard
Astarion is a rogue with Arcane Trickster as suggested subclass
That bald dude with a hamster is a Sorcerer

Minsc is a ranger though.

Huh, why did he strike me as a Sorc I have no idea
Anyway, a dex-based class
Closer to the melee combat ones like Paladin and Fighter, but still associated with dexterity; just like Astarion

Rangers are a warrior class the same way as fighters though, they can also perfectly be str-based (as fighters can be dex-based if they want to)