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sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 00:11
sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 20th, 2024, 12:06
Hi,
The alphabet mafia is pleased to see you embark on the bg3 journey without alphabets.

Regarding your questions: you can go to the original post and search for FAQs and Recommendations [for answer regarding better aesthetics]
Search for "What mod order should I have?". You need to fix your mod order. Yours is incorrect > you give higher priority by putting your mod further down in BG3 Manager list.

I've put up my personal recommendation for mods in the FAQs now.
Thanks for answering.

The override stuff down at the bottom. I can ignore it regardless right? Some mods gave me the option to allow them going in the order which I did.

The NoAlphabet should be further down I guess? So they can override every other mod?

I used nexus before for every mod on other games, that's why I asked. So far I played with this order and didn't crash, but since I didn't play the game without mods, I'm not sure if it is fully working and don't know if I switch the mods up after playing a couple of hours, if my game will still work without problems. I know that in skyrim e.g., the game/save gets ****** if you tinker with mods after playing for a while in a specific order or with specific mods for that particular save
Yes, putting all the NoAlphabets mods at the bottom of your list is a good idea.

I can assure you, changing orders of mods won't break your game. Leave the overrides at the bottom. It's not a big deal but the way you order your NoAlphabets mods: currently your game still has a genitals carousel and aylin has no beard outside of her prison. If these don't matter, leave them as they are. Otherwise follow the order I have shown in the screenshot.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 20th, 2024, 19:49
Aleks1398 wrote: ↑ January 20th, 2024, 12:15
Realized that Nightsong in russian just didn't work fine because of femininity of word ΠŸΠ•Π‘ΠΠ―. When it goes to "Nightsong did smth" it sounds like ****.
Can't you just replace the word altogether? Scrub it so everything is masculine? Tell people to report to you when they find misgendered lines.
Nocturne, for example
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Finally made it to Alyn, good job on the changes.
Progress through the game is still pretty slow for me. I'm not getting the Baldur's Gate vibe and I'm just not that enticed, there is still a lot of none alphabet cringe going on.
I enjoyed Rogue trader more honestly.
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Mesa9988 wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 14:09
Finally made it to Alyn, good job on the changes.
Progress through the game is still pretty slow for me. I'm not getting the Baldur's Gate vibe and I'm just not that enticed, there is still a lot of none alphabet cringe going on.
I enjoyed Rogue trader more honestly.
Yeah, the game feels like Divinity Original Sin 2 with the Balder's Gate logo on it. I do enjoy the gameplay of BG3 as I did with their Divinity games even the original Divinity that was a Diablo clone one as well. I watched the Rekieta interview last year with Ed Greenwood who said if I'm remembering correctly that Wizards of the Coast doesn't want anything to do with us old white guys anymore. That's why it's so cringe and with Critical Role making it more normie friendly, they brought the ******* that should of been gatekept out of it to begin with and just left for the real nerds.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 02:17
sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 00:11
sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 20th, 2024, 12:06
Hi,
The alphabet mafia is pleased to see you embark on the bg3 journey without alphabets.

Regarding your questions: you can go to the original post and search for FAQs and Recommendations [for answer regarding better aesthetics]
Search for "What mod order should I have?". You need to fix your mod order. Yours is incorrect > you give higher priority by putting your mod further down in BG3 Manager list.

I've put up my personal recommendation for mods in the FAQs now.
Thanks for answering.

The override stuff down at the bottom. I can ignore it regardless right? Some mods gave me the option to allow them going in the order which I did.

The NoAlphabet should be further down I guess? So they can override every other mod?

I used nexus before for every mod on other games, that's why I asked. So far I played with this order and didn't crash, but since I didn't play the game without mods, I'm not sure if it is fully working and don't know if I switch the mods up after playing a couple of hours, if my game will still work without problems. I know that in skyrim e.g., the game/save gets ****** if you tinker with mods after playing for a while in a specific order or with specific mods for that particular save
Yes, putting all the NoAlphabets mods at the bottom of your list is a good idea.

I can assure you, changing orders of mods won't break your game. Leave the overrides at the bottom. It's not a big deal but the way you order your NoAlphabets mods: currently your game still has a genitals carousel and aylin has no beard outside of her prison. If these don't matter, leave them as they are. Otherwise follow the order I have shown in the screenshot.

Thanks for the answer.

I changed the order to the one in my screenshot. Also removed one of the mods since you wrote that only one is needed.

Also you wrote that Better Aesthetics from SniperChris is outdated. I didn't read that before and changed the "english.pak" file and put the other 2 things inside the game folder, but still put the updated BetterW mod in the BG3 mod manager. Shouldn't be a problem right?






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sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 18:48
orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 02:17
sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 00:11


Thanks for answering.

The override stuff down at the bottom. I can ignore it regardless right? Some mods gave me the option to allow them going in the order which I did.

The NoAlphabet should be further down I guess? So they can override every other mod?

I used nexus before for every mod on other games, that's why I asked. So far I played with this order and didn't crash, but since I didn't play the game without mods, I'm not sure if it is fully working and don't know if I switch the mods up after playing a couple of hours, if my game will still work without problems. I know that in skyrim e.g., the game/save gets ****** if you tinker with mods after playing for a while in a specific order or with specific mods for that particular save
Yes, putting all the NoAlphabets mods at the bottom of your list is a good idea.

I can assure you, changing orders of mods won't break your game. Leave the overrides at the bottom. It's not a big deal but the way you order your NoAlphabets mods: currently your game still has a genitals carousel and aylin has no beard outside of her prison. If these don't matter, leave them as they are. Otherwise follow the order I have shown in the screenshot.

Thanks for the answer.

I changed the order to the one in my screenshot. Also removed one of the mods since you wrote that only one is needed.

Also you wrote that Better Aesthetics from SniperChris is outdated. I didn't read that before and changed the "english.pak" file and put the other 2 things inside the game folder, but still put the updated BetterW mod in the BG3 mod manager. Shouldn't be a problem right?






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No not a problem. Also put the Dice and Honour on the right side. Those are Larian's pak files that should not be active.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 19:07
sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 18:48
orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 02:17

Yes, putting all the NoAlphabets mods at the bottom of your list is a good idea.

I can assure you, changing orders of mods won't break your game. Leave the overrides at the bottom. It's not a big deal but the way you order your NoAlphabets mods: currently your game still has a genitals carousel and aylin has no beard outside of her prison. If these don't matter, leave them as they are. Otherwise follow the order I have shown in the screenshot.

Thanks for the answer.

I changed the order to the one in my screenshot. Also removed one of the mods since you wrote that only one is needed.

Also you wrote that Better Aesthetics from SniperChris is outdated. I didn't read that before and changed the "english.pak" file and put the other 2 things inside the game folder, but still put the updated BetterW mod in the BG3 mod manager. Shouldn't be a problem right?






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No not a problem. Also put the Dice and Honour on the right side. Those are Larian's pak files that should not be active.
Thanks :)

Quick last question. Which Wylls of Toril mod + the optional mod of that one do you prefer? You wrote that you discontinued your mod.
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sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 23:07
orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 19:07
sngmnh wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 18:48



Thanks for the answer.

I changed the order to the one in my screenshot. Also removed one of the mods since you wrote that only one is needed.

Also you wrote that Better Aesthetics from SniperChris is outdated. I didn't read that before and changed the "english.pak" file and put the other 2 things inside the game folder, but still put the updated BetterW mod in the BG3 mod manager. Shouldn't be a problem right?






Image
No not a problem. Also put the Dice and Honour on the right side. Those are Larian's pak files that should not be active.
Thanks :)

Quick last question. Which Wylls of Toril mod + the optional mod of that one do you prefer? You wrote that you discontinued your mod.
Neverwinter is my favourite,
Calimshan with pitch black hair and Karatur comes in a close second.

I use it with the Contractor Devil form addon.
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Mesa9988 wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 14:09
Finally made it to Alyn, good job on the changes.
Progress through the game is still pretty slow for me. I'm not getting the Baldur's Gate vibe and I'm just not that enticed, there is still a lot of none alphabet cringe going on.
I enjoyed Rogue trader more honestly.
Act 1 & 2 are pretty much DOS with a BG paint job. Second half of Act 3 gets a little closer to a BG vibe though, imho at least. No spoiler but there's a point where the constant on-rail narrative kind of takes a break and leaves you with some freedom. Definitely the most enjoyable part of the game for me.
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Great mod, made act 2 actually playable, thank you so much for it. What are your plans going forward with the mod? Any more updates planned? If no, might I suggest looking into fixing pronouns? End of act 2 and going into Act 3, there's times certain ncps will refer to the MC with cringe 'theythem' instead of proper he or she pronouns. Is it possible to fix this? If you like, I can gather up some examples.
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Forever wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 03:52
Great mod, made act 2 actually playable, thank you so much for it. What are your plans going forward with the mod? Any more updates planned? If no, might I suggest looking into fixing pronouns? End of act 2 and going into Act 3, there's times certain ncps will refer to the MC with cringe 'theythem' instead of proper he or she pronouns. Is it possible to fix this? If you like, I can gather up some examples.
Hi there are a few minor fixes to make and v someone is always finding lines hidden in Larian's complex dialogue tree.

And pronouns are part of this mod! Report them to me on the support section please! And is important that you are playing a sane gender. CBA scraping game for people that want to play a they.
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Hey orinEsque! I wanted to ask for your help/info about trying to help Astarion out of the skimpy **** they gave him. I couldn't get what CheesusCrust said out of my head when I was playing around in the game and it finally clicked when I had the cutscene with the scars. His pants are horrendous, I cannot bare to see him treated like some "piece of meat" (though they seem to treat companions like, as someone else said here, "holes to ****". I thought you would get quests and dialogues about important/interesting aspects of their characters, like asking Astarion about living in the sun, deepening on the point of him finally be able to touch running water without burning, or what effect does garlic have on him, if any, or anything such thing. But no, they only have dialogue to flirt or progress their own story, which it all seems to stop once their personal quest has been completed without a romance, as if they are stripped of anythibg but being background noise and **** holes, it breaks my heart even further with this game. I had such high hopes for a good immersive story :sad: ).
On to the point: I found this image that shows Astarion's Early Access pants, and I cannot unsee the slut-**** they gave him now anymore
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from this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/190
I also found this mod in my search to edit his meshes myself https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/4437 which has normal pants. I thought of opening this mod's files up and editing them https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1985 but they only have lsf appearance links/files to existing UUID and other such text files, and from the mod author's words it makes it sound as if there no way to edit an existing mesh or armor, but I know Ser Aylin has a modified armor (the boobplate that was fixed), so there is a way to edit this, am I correct? Would I just need to open the files in a 3D editing thing and replace the pants for the files to work (and then replace the GR2 files), or is the process more complicated for this sort of thing? In any case, even if they clip, anything would be better than that thing they gave him. If I will come up with something, it probably won't be good by any means I fear, my knowledge in 3D is limited to vertex editing, but I don't want to suffer such "designs" in my game if I can help it.
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I also found this mod in my search to edit his meshes myself https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/4437 which has normal pants.
Yes I can switch to normal pants, and I know how to do this. Problem is the other pant models clip through his doublet. It hurts my heard modding stuff to be like that. I can go fix it, I guess. Shouldn't be end of the world.
they only have lsf appearance links/files to existing UUID and other such text files, and from the mod author's words it makes it sound as if there no way to edit an existing mesh or armor, but I know Ser Aylin has a modified armor (the boobplate that was fixed), so there is a way to edit this, am I correct?
You can convert lsf to a readable lsx file using Norbyte's Lslib converter tool. You can definitely edit his pant model using blender. Every mesh in the game is editable with blender, but caveat is that you need to know/learn to use blender.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 19:44
DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 16:46
Hey orinEsque! I wanted to ask for your help/info about trying to help Astarion out of the skimpy **** they gave him. I couldn't get what CheesusChrist said out of my head when I was playing around in the game and it finally clicked when I had the cutscene with the scars. His pants are horrendous, I cannot bare to see him treated like some "piece of meat" (though they seem to treat companions like, as someone else said here, "holes to ****". I thought you would get quests and dialogues about important/interesting aspects of their characters, like asking Astarion about living in the sun, deepening on the point of him finally be able to touch running water without burning, or what effect does garlic have on him, if any, or anything such thing. But no, they only have dialogue to flirt or progress their own story, which it all seems to stop once their personal quest has been completed without a romance, as if they are stripped of anythibg but being background noise and **** holes, it breaks my heart even further with this game. I had such high hopes for a good immersive story :sad: ).
On to the point: I found this image that shows Astarion's Early Access pants, and I cannot unsee the slut-**** they gave him now anymore
Image
from this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/190
I also found this mod in my search to edit his meshes myself https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/4437 which has normal pants. I thought of opening this mod's files up and editing them https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1985 but they only have lsf appearance links/files to existing UUID and other such text files, and from the mod author's words it makes it sound as if there no way to edit an existing mesh or armor, but I know Ser Aylin has a modified armor (the boobplate that was fixed), so there is a way to edit this, am I correct? Would I just need to open the files in a 3D editing thing and replace the pants for the files to work (and then replace the GR2 files), or is the process more complicated for this sort of thing? In any case, even if they clip, anything would be better than that thing they gave him. If I will come up with something, it probably won't be good by any means I fear, my knowledge in 3D is limited to vertex editing, but I don't want to suffer such "designs" in my game if I can help it.
I also found this mod in my search to edit his meshes myself https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/4437 which has normal pants.
Yes I can switch to normal pants, and I know how to do this. Problem is the other pant models clip through his doublet. It hurts my heard modding stuff to be like that. I can do it, I guess.
they only have lsf appearance links/files to existing UUID and other such text files, and from the mod author's words it makes it sound as if there no way to edit an existing mesh or armor, but I know Ser Aylin has a modified armor (the boobplate that was fixed), so there is a way to edit this, am I correct?
You can convert lsf to a readable lsx file using Norbyte's Lslib converter tool. You can definitely edit his pant model using blender. Every mesh in the game is editable with blender, but caveat is that you need to know/learn to use blender.
Thank you as always for the information! :D
I know how to use Blender thanks to me modding Oblivion, but I have very bad memories with trying to make meshes work once exporting phase comes (particularly if I made an entirely new model, as I lack any sort of artistic skills to make a texture and normal map to go along with it).
As for the .lsf files and the likes, the strange thing with that mod is that it is JUST those files inside. No meshes nor textures that I could see, as if just by typing the author was able to switch to Astarion's old clothing. I am guessing it is still in the files somewhere then (at least his doublet), but regardless, to think one can just switch around a few numbers and words to make such drastic (and working!) changes to a game such as this, without all the criss-crossing I learned to endure while modding the likes of Skyrim, it's incredible!

I'll scour around the files then if there indeed is something that can be touched up on. I am sure many here would love for Astarion's pants to be un-sluttied, but really, I was asking for my own knowledge pull, do not feel forced to do anything! Even if I don't have high hopes I can manage with meshes much, I still like to try and learn new things! If I can come up with anything, I will be sure to share it here :D
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As for the .lsf files and the likes, the strange thing with that mod is that it is JUST those files inside. No meshes nor textures that I could see, as if just by typing the author was able to switch to Astarion's old clothing. I am guessing it is still in the files somewhere then (at least his doublet), but regardless, to think one can just switch around a few numbers and words to make such drastic (and working!) changes to a game such as this, without all the criss-crossing I learned to endure while modding the likes of Skyrim, it's incredible!

I'll scour around the files then if there indeed is something that can be touched up on. I am sure many here would love for Astarion's pants to be un-sluttied, but really, I was asking for my own knowledge pull, do not feel forced to do anything! Even if I don't have high hopes I can manage with meshes much, I still like to try and learn new things! If I can come up with anything, I will be sure to share it here :D
Pretty much most of what I do is switching code from one outfit to the code of another outfit in the lsf file. So this is pretty normal. If you want to do any sort of scouring you need to unpack the Shared and Gustav pak files using BG3 Multimodders tool. Index and then go rooting through. All the meshes are in Models.pak
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pokafox wrote: ↑ January 22nd, 2024, 11:08
Mesa9988 wrote: ↑ January 21st, 2024, 14:09
Finally made it to Alyn, good job on the changes.
Progress through the game is still pretty slow for me. I'm not getting the Baldur's Gate vibe and I'm just not that enticed, there is still a lot of none alphabet cringe going on.
I enjoyed Rogue trader more honestly.
Act 1 & 2 are pretty much DOS with a BG paint job. Second half of Act 3 gets a little closer to a BG vibe though, imho at least. No spoiler but there's a point where the constant on-rail narrative kind of takes a break and leaves you with some freedom. Definitely the most enjoyable part of the game for me.
Yeah being there now, does definitely feel more like BG you can stumble on something everywhere like back then.
Some of the Quests are pretty good but some still have very Jaring Naratives, like the Artist one, so much cringe.

And Nocturne still doesn't work for me, the conversation just still looks outlandish even with him being a man.
Is there a way to just remove NPCs ? He doesn't seem to have any real Role and also no good trade goods so he can go poof for all i care.
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Version 3.7 - 24 Jan 2024
  • Due to popular demand Astarion has new non-sexualized pants.
    β–Ί Check out these non-slut pants.
  • 2x Astarion's lines changed, which relate to Sebastian & Philomeen.
Next up: Lucretia


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@Mesa9988 Removing nocturne altogether is possible, but it goes against my modding creed. If you can point out what bits you hate, i can try to improve him instead.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 16:13
Version 3.7 - 24 Jan 2024
  • Due to popular demand Astarion has new non-sexualized pants.
    β–Ί Check out these non-slut pants.
  • 2x Astarion's lines changed, which relate to Sebastian & Philomeen.
Note to Translators/ Lingo integrators to update their lingo files:
@Tipfy, @Aleks1398, @Alef Zero, @Reichspepe, @Some1LikeYou, @Crusaderknight20

@Mesa9988 Removing nocturne altogether is possible, but it goes against my modding creed. If you can point out what bits you hate, i can try to improve him instead.
Should still have a save before him, I'll check when I play again.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 16:13
Due to popular demand Astarion has new non-sexualized pants.
that's it, i'm naming my child after you
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DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 16:46
Hey orinEsque! I wanted to ask for your help/info about trying to help Astarion out of the skimpy **** they gave him. I couldn't get what CheesusCrust said out of my head when I was playing around in the game and it finally clicked when I had the cutscene with the scars. His pants are horrendous, I cannot bare to see him treated like some "piece of meat" (though they seem to treat companions like, as someone else said here, "holes to ****".
i feel like that one character in every mediocre cartoon that everyone calls insane until main character pops up and says "no, no, he's actually right" :mrgreen:

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CheesusCrust wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:41
DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 16:46
Hey orinEsque! I wanted to ask for your help/info about trying to help Astarion out of the skimpy **** they gave him. I couldn't get what CheesusCrust said out of my head when I was playing around in the game and it finally clicked when I had the cutscene with the scars. His pants are horrendous, I cannot bare to see him treated like some "piece of meat" (though they seem to treat companions like, as someone else said here, "holes to ****".
i feel like that one character in every mediocre cartoon that everyone calls insane until main character pops up and says "no, no, he's actually right" :mrgreen:

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I absolutely hate his pants too. And all the rich set pants that have same. Last time I tried, I was too lazier & blender experience lower.

EDIT: if you use disguise you'll get those ugly pants for specific races. Not gonna bother fixing everyone.
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CheesusCrust wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:41
DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 16:46
Hey orinEsque! I wanted to ask for your help/info about trying to help Astarion out of the skimpy **** they gave him. I couldn't get what CheesusCrust said out of my head when I was playing around in the game and it finally clicked when I had the cutscene with the scars. His pants are horrendous, I cannot bare to see him treated like some "piece of meat" (though they seem to treat companions like, as someone else said here, "holes to ****".
i feel like that one character in every mediocre cartoon that everyone calls insane until main character pops up and says "no, no, he's actually right" :mrgreen:

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You certainly are for me! I was so focused on understanding the story and taking in every animation of everything that I never realized what was going on in the rest of the image, I wonder if I would have ever noticed if it wasn't for you! <3
EDIT: I am bad at words, so I hope my words don't come across as a slight, I truly do appreciate you for opening my eyes on this! I even learned to mod armors because of you!
orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:43
CheesusCrust wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:41
DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 23rd, 2024, 16:46
Hey orinEsque! I wanted to ask for your help/info about trying to help Astarion out of the skimpy **** they gave him. I couldn't get what CheesusCrust said out of my head when I was playing around in the game and it finally clicked when I had the cutscene with the scars. His pants are horrendous, I cannot bare to see him treated like some "piece of meat" (though they seem to treat companions like, as someone else said here, "holes to ****".
i feel like that one character in every mediocre cartoon that everyone calls insane until main character pops up and says "no, no, he's actually right" :mrgreen:

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I absolutely hate his pants too. And all the rich set pants that have same. Last time I tried, I was too lazier & blender experience lower.

EDIT: if you use disguise you'll get those ugly pants for specific races. Not gonna bother fixing everyone.
I recall you posting medieval imagery about people back in the day glorifying their crotch or the likes when speaking about how historically accurate something like this could be, and wanted to ask, have you ever seen something like they made the nobles of this game wear EVER anywhere? I faintly recalled them to be "cowboy" pants, and then I saw people here also calling them that, so are they just stupid design without basis? If that is so, I can see "those people" butchering anything they perceive as better than them in society (like what they do with elves that I learned from you guys here. Still am shocked Lucretius has stretched ears to make him an ELF, of all the things they could have done. I personally would have made Lucretius into a Rakshasa.)
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DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:45
I recall you posting medieval imagery about people back in the day glorifying their crotch or the likes when speaking about how historically accurate something like this could be, and wanted to ask, have you ever seen something like they made the nobles of this game wear EVER anywhere? I faintly recalled them to be "cowboy" pants, and then I saw people here also calling them that, so are they just stupid design without basis? If that is so, I can see "those people" butchering anything they perceive as better than them in society (like what they do with elves that I learned from you guys here. Still am shocked Lucretius has stretched ears to make him an ELF, of all the things they could have done. I personally would have made Lucretius into a Rakshasa.)
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These are gamberson leggings, are basically padded armour leggings. The gap in the crotch is for manoeuvrability. So yes you could say there is basis for Astarion's vanilla padded armour. BUT these are meant to come right up to your pelvic area. And Astarion's pant holes go all the way down to his knees! It's clearly a perversion of it.

Lastly there is no reason for nobles and Astarion's camp outfit to have a gamberson legging's cut. None whatsoever.
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Does his shirtless model also have edited pants (e.g. in romance scene, scars scene, etc.)?

I hated when they replaced his EA outfit with the splash art outfit, and the weird trousers were a huge component of that. I never considered them to be sexualized, but I did find them hideous, lol.

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DagothGeas5 wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:45
You certainly are for me! I was so focused on understanding the story and taking in every animation of everything that I never realized what was going on in the rest of the image, I wonder if I would have ever noticed if it wasn't for you! <3
EDIT: I am bad at words, so I hope my words don't come across as a slight, I truly do appreciate you for opening my eyes on this! I even learned to mod armors because of you!
daym i'm much cooler than i thought... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Envergence wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 19:31
Does his shirtless model also have edited pants (e.g. in romance scene, scars scene, etc.)?

I hated when they replaced his EA outfit with the splash art outfit, and the weird trousers were a huge component of that. I never considered them to be sexualized, but I did find them hideous, lol.

Thank you again for your hard work! You're a gem. πŸ‘
Yes it does. I've overwritten original model of the pants. So it will have global effect on Astarion's elf/human/drow/tiefling form pant model (and only his pants)

Note: If someone doesn't want to change his pant model let me know, i can push this as a separate addon.
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orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:43
I absolutely hate his pants too. And all the rich set pants that have same.
At the verrrry least, rich sets got the back part of gambeson sort of covering the butt, so you don't see the pronounced *** crack :lol:
If I remember the rich sets correctly...

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Silver wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 20:28
orinEsque wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 18:43
I absolutely hate his pants too. And all the rich set pants that have same.
At the verrrry least, rich sets got the back part of gambeson sort of covering the butt, so you don't see the pronounced *** crack :lol:
If I remember the rich sets correctly...

Great job on the pants! Thank you @orinEsque @DagothGeas5
I didn't do anything :oops: , orinEsque and CheesusCrust are the ones that one fixed it out with their know-how, and the other put the matter onto the table, even for people like me that missed the whole picture, to see. I just asked for help after actively looking for what the issue with them might be, and being left with an even further sadness for how they are treating their characters. Astarion's whole story was made a mockery of with such things put on him, such people should have no place in working for games with a story deeper than a rain puddle.
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Note: If someone doesn't want to change his pant model let me know, i can push this as a separate addon.
I'm not necessarily against this change, but I do feel subjective changes such as this should be made optional in general, just in case.
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Deadpan55 wrote: ↑ January 24th, 2024, 21:03
Note: If someone doesn't want to change his pant model let me know, i can push this as a separate addon.
I'm not necessarily against this change, but I do feel subjective changes such as this should be made optional in general, just in case.
Makes sense. What I'll do is, roll back to previous version of Aesthetics (only astarion was changed). And upload an option Astarion pants mod.
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