No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[Cipher]

Funny how that works. To me the pandering doesn't come from LGBT people being in the game per se but the sheer amount of them and also the writing of them. It's not realistic just to announce your husband or wife out of nowhere. The Last of Us part 1 did that much better with the ***** relationship it included. That's why I don't care about Aylin or Sebastian but all the gnomes being gay is cringe to me.

For me, the thing about Aylin is that they are eating their tonsils and dry humping for like 2 minutes and the game forces you to watch.

Yeah, you can skip cutscenes but what if you miss some plot development? Who knows what they will say when they eventually stop.

Yes, there's also the dry humping your character can do with other NPC, but that's a Player choice. The way Aylin and Isobel scene plays out its really to rub it in the Player's eyes and to let you know just how gay they are for each other.

Think of all the media when lovers are reunited. They usually just embrave lovingly while the camera rotates around them and then they kiss. None of this dry humping or tonsil eating.

And no man or woman replicates a scene like that in the game.

That's the problem. It has never been about representation. Its about making them a parade and forcing everyone to cheer and clap or ELSE.

If they really care for actual representation then they would include around 7 alphabet characters for every 100 voiced/named characters. But in this game is almost like 25% or so, or at least it feels that way because they beat you over the head about their gayness and how gay they are and how that makes them special.

That's the problem. A character could be written well and have an actual personality and, y'know, character. And then just so happen to be gay.

But nowadays, its always the man talking about their husband out of nowhere just so the audience knows they are gay. Its about rainbow flags. And about tonsil eating and dry humping on camera so the wokesters can cry and clap at the screen while everyone else rolls their eyes.

I totally agree with you on this. The problem is not some of the characters are gay. The problem is their appearance is meant to pander or they are simply poorly written.

Ideally, for me, this mod would just remove the tonsil eating, dry humping, the NPCs announcing their ***** status and marital status and that's it. People, no matter their sexuality, don't go about announcing their sexuality or marital status to total strangers. At least not mentally stable people. These characters and scenes are simply poorly written. No need to get rid of the characters or erase their identity, just cut the lines/cutscenes where they announce and pander and that should be fine.

And regarding The Last of Us Tv show, yeah, I couldn't pass episode 1 because the writting was lame and the casting of Ellie was absurd. I didn't continue watching but I heard stories about the rest.

See but there is a reason why people do not announce their sexuality. Becaude 90% of people are heterosexual.

And that's what I meant, its not about representation is about their need to announce they are part of the alphabet mafia so the rest of us peasants bow down to them and jump through hoops to make them feel good about their mental illness.

People with body dysmorphia don't announce it because that illness is not celebrated. Same with any other illness, mental or physical.

That's why these cartboard cutouts they want to call "characters" have/i] to tell the audience how gay they are at every opportunity because its about giving the appareance of normalcy by sheer prescence in entertainment media.

They are so few that they have to band together in an alphabet mafia and even then do no crack doble digits in terms of population. That's how scarce they truly are. No other group enjoys such a large overrepresentation in media.

Because no other group needs it. They need to see themselves everywhere so they can feel they are not so scarce as to be outside of the norm, meaning not normal.

[CheesusCrust]

Funny how that works. To me the pandering doesn't come from LGBT people being in the game per se but the sheer amount of them and also the writing of them. It's not realistic just to announce your husband or wife out of nowhere. The Last of Us part 1 did that much better with the ***** relationship it included. That's why I don't care about Aylin or Sebastian but all the gnomes being gay is cringe to me.

TLoU was suppose to be series of games about post-apocalypse, not "*****" relationship. Ellie's (unrequited) orientation's mentions and depictions throughout series were cringe, out of place and revolting. at least BG3 doesn't set **** loving business as a plot base, but yes, WoTC/Larian crammed gay **** in npcs like their life was depending on it. and again, it's LGB. no TVABCD+++++ limited vip premium ******** created by twittards

[Mesa9988]

Heh for me it's the other way around. The minor NPCs I would probably not notice or just cringe a little. But the rest, especially Nocturne, that seems to be thrown in your face because......well because do bother me.

Lucretious is meh too. I can follow the Idea that it's in a Circus but a character in Baldurs Gate based on a RL Drag Queen I find still unfitting.

Funny how that works. To me the pandering doesn't come from LGBT people being in the game per se but the sheer amount of them and also the writing of them. It's not realistic just to announce your husband or wife out of nowhere. The Last of Us part 1 did that much better with the ***** relationship it included. That's why I don't care about Aylin or Sebastian but all the gnomes being gay is cringe to me.

For me, the thing about Aylin is that they are eating their tonsils and dry humping for like 2 minutes and the game forces you to watch.

Yeah, you can skip cutscenes but what if you miss some plot development? Who knows what they will say when they eventually stop.

Yes, there's also the dry humping your character can do with other NPC, but that's a Player choice. The way Aylin and Isobel scene plays out its really to rub it in the Player's eyes and to let you know just how gay they are for each other.

Think of all the media when lovers are reunited. They usually just embrave lovingly while the camera rotates around them and then they kiss. None of this dry humping or tonsil eating.

And no man or woman replicates a scene like that in the game.

That's the problem. It has never been about representation. Its about making them a parade and forcing everyone to cheer and clap or ELSE.

If they really care for actual representation then they would include around 7 alphabet characters for every 100 voiced/named characters. But in this game is almost like 25% or so, or at least it feels that way because they beat you over the head about their gayness and how gay they are and how that makes them special.

That's the problem. A character could be written well and have an actual personality and, y'know, character. And then just so happen to be gay.

But nowadays, its always the man talking about their husband out of nowhere just so the audience knows they are gay. Its about rainbow flags. And about tonsil eating and dry humping on camera so the wokesters can cry and clap at the screen while everyone else rolls their eyes.

The normal gut reaction for a man to see two men eating their tonsils is disgust. That doesn't have to become hatred or turn into violence. But, the gut reaction is disgust and its not about "fear" or "phobia" either.

And now you get stuff like the writers of the Last of Us HBO show doing victory laps about how they forced a general audience to watch 40 min of gay romance.

They themselves don't accept their own degeneracy that's why their mafia went way beyond acceptante and then celebration. They have to be everywhere so its not only normalized but enshrined.

They hate being mentally ill so much that they need to be constantly clapped and cheered on so they can cope with their illness.

That's the whole deal behind the "muh pronouns" tantrum. They don't accept themselves as they are but they will put you in jail if you don't play into their illness.

If a person with schizophrenia starts screaming that the shadow people are coming for all us, no one plays along. It is only the special kind of mental illness that is celebrated and rewarded.

This for the most part, for me it's that in the face attitude that's annoying. Same reason the minor Characters wouldn't bother me as I most likely wouldn't notice and am not forced to interact.
It's mostly just cringeworthy but otherwise eh.
That being said, I only played the game for a while now so not up to Aylin. But even if he's a guy and they are dry humping for a minute on a Cutscene, I think I might just kill them off anyways

[orinEsque]

I only played the game for a while now so not up to Aylin.

The game is practically lgbtq-free all the way upto Aylin, you seen nothing yet.

[Cipher]

Funny how that works. To me the pandering doesn't come from LGBT people being in the game per se but the sheer amount of them and also the writing of them. It's not realistic just to announce your husband or wife out of nowhere. The Last of Us part 1 did that much better with the ***** relationship it included. That's why I don't care about Aylin or Sebastian but all the gnomes being gay is cringe to me.

TLoU was suppose to be series of games about post-apocalypse, not "*****" relationship. Ellie's (unrequited) orientation's mentions and depictions throughout series were cringe, out of place and revolting. at least BG3 doesn't set **** loving business as a plot base, but yes, WoTC/Larian crammed gay **** in npcs like their life was depending on it. and again, it's LGB. no TVABCD+++++ limited vip premium ******** created by twittards

Also, it is so woke and "awesome" how they are going to repopulate Earth with queerness.

That's why they had go get a donor in the second game and then kill him, so Ellie can play Mommy #2 with his bisexual girlfriend.

Same with Abbyzilla. They are scrounging for resources and barely can eat enough not to die, but somehow she finds time to sleep 9 hours a day, train 3 hours a day, eat full meals that hit all the macro and micronutrient goals and also some roids to have that body builder physique.

But yeah, sorry for the tangent Orin.

Thank you so so much for your hard work! This mod is a must for this game.

[Pixelargh]

Funny how that works. To me the pandering doesn't come from LGBT people being in the game per se but the sheer amount of them and also the writing of them. It's not realistic just to announce your husband or wife out of nowhere. The Last of Us part 1 did that much better with the ***** relationship it included. That's why I don't care about Aylin or Sebastian but all the gnomes being gay is cringe to me.

TLoU was suppose to be series of games about post-apocalypse, not "*****" relationship. Ellie's (unrequited) orientation's mentions and depictions throughout series were cringe, out of place and revolting. at least BG3 doesn't set **** loving business as a plot base, but yes, WoTC/Larian crammed gay **** in npcs like their life was depending on it. and again, it's LGB. no TVABCD+++++ limited vip premium ******** created by twittards

I only played TLoU part 1 and Ellie doesn't even talk about her sexuality there that I remember (only the DLC, I think). I was referring to Bill and Frank. The game doesn't even tell you they are gay. You just know by how they treat each other. It's subtle. That's how real life works. That writing was good IMO and Larian could learn from it. By the way, I will keep using LGBT because I am not going to write "men trying to present as women/ women presenting as men" every time I write. I also don't find gay relationships revolting. I am indifferent towards it. I have gay and lesbian friends. I simply don't enjoy the pandering. The idea that the developers are trying to sell me into an ideology instead of just focusing on writing a good story.

[CheesusCrust]

By the way, I will keep using LGBT because I am not going to write "men trying to present as women/ women presenting as men" every time I write. I also don't find gay relationships revolting. I am indifferent towards it. I have gay and lesbian friends. I simply don't enjoy the pandering. The idea that the developers are trying to sell me into an ideology instead of just focusing on writing a good story.

leave the gay out of those schizoids in abbreviation, ***** and the rest of the alphabets don't exist, just use "******" or "libtards" or whatever they actually deserve to be called. nobody was ******** on LGB, i was talking about obvious lazy woke writing. yes, Ellie's gayness counts. just like BG3's "every gnome is gay" politics

[Pixelargh]

By the way, I will keep using LGBT because I am not going to write "men trying to present as women/ women presenting as men" every time I write. I also don't find gay relationships revolting. I am indifferent towards it. I have gay and lesbian friends. I simply don't enjoy the pandering. The idea that the developers are trying to sell me into an ideology instead of just focusing on writing a good story.

leave the gay out of those schizoids in abbreviation, ***** and the rest of the alphabets don't exist, just use "******" or "libtards" or whatever they actually deserve to be called. nobody was ******** on LGB, i was talking about obvious lazy woke writing. yes, Ellie's gayness counts. just like BG3's "every gnome is gay" politics

Stop telling people what to do, my dude. That's what wokesters do. I will keep talking the way I want. I agree with the "every gnome is gay" cringe, though.

[orinEsque]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

[Goblin_Hammer]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

Wouldn't surprise if the Chinese wanted to finance a game to promote degeneracy to attack the west.

[orinEsque]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

Wouldn't surprise if the Chinese wanted to finance a game to promote degeneracy to attack the west.

My thoughts exactly. Case in point, Nightsong was a very feminine regular woman. i.e. current Shar

[Mesa9988]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

Ugh, I didn't know that.

[Goblin_Hammer]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

Wouldn't surprise if the Chinese wanted to finance a game to promote degeneracy to attack the west.

My thoughts exactly. Case in point, Nightsong was a very feminine regular woman. i.e. current Shar

It's been a while but I remember sailing the high seas and playing the early access version of Baldur's Gate 3 the year prior to being released and I don't remember any weird ***** crap in the character creator. So it seemed like a bait and switch, and when I played it at launch and got to Act 2 & Act 3 felt like a different set of writers took over. I know they outsourced writers from California.

[orinEsque]

Wouldn't surprise if the Chinese wanted to finance a game to promote degeneracy to attack the west.

My thoughts exactly. Case in point, Nightsong was a very feminine regular woman. i.e. current Shar

It's been a while but I remember sailing the high seas and playing the early access version of Baldur's Gate 3 the year prior to being released and I don't remember any weird ***** crap in the character creator. So it seemed like a bait and switch, and when I played it at launch and got to Act 2 & Act 3 felt like a different set of writers took over. I know they outsourced writers from California.

Yep, tone, pacing, quest style, completely changed. Like a host of diversity hires arrived as Larian ran out of money and had to put bare their asses for some investors.

[Silver]

It was really fun to read conversation from last couple pages lol.
My personal problem with characters from BG and from multiple other games / show / books etc.

They make "wokeness" a trait of a character. Major, at that.
And to be honest, it works with mob from twitter and alike. Cause in their mind any (insert a certain level of lgbtqa+++ or whatever the flavour of month is) is equal to their WHOLE personality. They don't have interests outside of it, they don't develop any hobbies but to be clinically online. It is quite pathetic.

[CheesusCrust]

I remember sailing the high seas and playing the early access version of Baldur's Gate 3 the year prior to being released and I don't remember any weird ***** crap in the character creator.

there was ***** **** in cc - ugly, culturaly appropriate presets ._. still remember using human female head 6 and half-elf male head 5 in every act 1 replay, because others looked like they were chronically constipated.

Yep, tone, pacing, quest style, completely changed. Like a host of diversity hires arrived as Larian ran out of money and had to put bare their asses for some investors.

agree. like some third wave whale walked in unannounced, slammed her AO3 fanfiction about strong and independent lesbian wahman and demanded to implement that or else.

[Goblin_Hammer]

My thoughts exactly. Case in point, Nightsong was a very feminine regular woman. i.e. current Shar

It's been a while but I remember sailing the high seas and playing the early access version of Baldur's Gate 3 the year prior to being released and I don't remember any weird ***** crap in the character creator. So it seemed like a bait and switch, and when I played it at launch and got to Act 2 & Act 3 felt like a different set of writers took over. I know they outsourced writers from California.

Yep, tone, pacing, quest style, completely changed. Like a host of diversity hires arrived as Larian ran out of money and had to put bare their asses for some investors.

A little off topic but I wonder why they had such trouble with finances? I checked around and the earliest I could find about Tencent being involved in Larain was in 2021, so possibly could be earlier than that. Divinity Original Sin 2 did extremely well, and Baldur's Gate 3 was a hit in early access scene, so wtf happened that caused them to have money issues? I don't think the Dungeons and Dragons license could be that expensive to get.

The last thing, even with all the time and money they received the game is still left unfinished. Saw a reddit post with all the cut content of the game and it was a significant amount. The Upper City in Baldur's Gate was cut out, there was supposed to be a level in hell where you could explore and do quests.

[Reichspepe]

"Californian"
That's spot-on lmao

I'm German so eh, I don't get it I think

Just think of an american version of Berlin, but with sunny weather, mein Freund

[SoLong]

A little off topic but I wonder why they had such trouble with finances? I checked around and the earliest I could find about Tencent being involved in Larain was in 2021, so possibly could be earlier than that. Divinity Original Sin 2 did extremely well, and Baldur's Gate 3 was a hit in early access scene, so wtf happened that caused them to have money issues? I don't think the Dungeons and Dragons license could be that expensive to get.

The last thing, even with all the time and money they received the game is still left unfinished. Saw a reddit post with all the cut content of the game and it was a significant amount. The Upper City in Baldur's Gate was cut out, there was supposed to be a level in hell where you could explore and do quests.

There's the possibility that Larian wasn't financially healthy before BG3 was in early access.

Look at it this way: Those 30% are now massively more valuable than they were in 2021. So Tencent made bank on their investment. If Larian had been flush with cash and confident in BG3 then there would've been no need to sell 30% of themselves to the Chinese.

And as much as I view Tencent as "EA but in yellowface" they aren't woke, since they are a Chinese company and the Chinese government is heavily involved in its country's major companies. China, for all its many faults, frowns on parading troonery around and they aren't keen on people or diversity ******** up the place either.

[Reichspepe]

Really interesting, didn't know about that CHYNA thing.
Good points you guys and possibly gals made here. All this pandering and "shoving it in your face" has just jaded me to such an extent, that I just don't want to deal with it at all anymore, not even a bit.
Even it it kind of fits or doesn't ruin the story, safe for some old TV series or games like Stargate SG1 with the OG Teal'c or the pseudo arab merchants in Witcher 3, I can still deal with it and even find it great, but the new stuff...

Homosexual in my game/series? Black people suddenly anywhere they were never before and shouldn't be? I'm out. I know why it's there and I won't put up with it.
And don't get me started on making fantasy races "diverse" black or asian elves as an example is just the ******* worst. Making me almost go full funny mustache man.
And then... ah well you get the jist of it, this crap ruined everything.

Thanks for making this place where we diverse people from all over the world can come together and have games be made somewhat like they used to be. You're great, especially the modders here, like you @orinEsque

Off topic rant over

[Cipher]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

On Steam the woke crowd reports if you point this out, claiming that Swen and his wife are still the owners of the company.

So big ol' Papa Swen opened his wooden chest full of gold coins to finance the 100 million budget for the game, nevermind all the advertisement it had.

30% is not insignificant. Tensent clearly had a say on how things went down.

[orinEsque]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

On Steam the woke crowd reports if you point this out, claiming that Swen and his wife are still the owners of the company.

So big ol' Papa Swen opened his wooden chest full of gold coins to finance the 100 million budget for the game, nevermind all the advertisement it had.

30% is not insignificant. Tensent clearly had a say on how things went down.

Only a mongo bot on Steam would say 30% share is not significant. That's about a 3rd of the company.

[Cipher]

Did you know tencent owns 30% of Larian now? When did that happen?

We are ******** on WoTC, but what if Aylin coincided with tencent acquisition and hiring of ****** to design the character creator and all the **** romance.

On Steam the woke crowd reports if you point this out, claiming that Swen and his wife are still the owners of the company.

So big ol' Papa Swen opened his wooden chest full of gold coins to finance the 100 million budget for the game, nevermind all the advertisement it had.

30% is not insignificant. Tensent clearly had a say on how things went down.

Only a mongo bot on Steam would say 30% share is not significant. That's about a 3rd of the company.

I agree but don't let them know or they report you until you get a ban.

In their minds, this is an INDIE little studio with 450 employees and the backing of 30% of a Chinese gaming giant with a 100 million dollar budget for the game that they decided to blew on shoddy mocap and very good voice acting instead of writers and coders to code all the variance and half of Act 3.

But yeah, just a little Mom and Pop indie studio that just HAD to release the game in 2023 while being unpolished and unfinished just in time to get shilled as the GOTY everywhere on the internet.

Also, **** giggle physics. They invested time and man hours into implementing that. But breasts? Nah those are static like the fake breasts on a troony.

And people still defend this game is a once in a lifetime event that revolutionized the genre.

[Anon]

Dude China doesn't give a **** about identity politics. Tencent bought 30% of Larian's shares because tencent is huge and they want to grab any share of the market they can put their hands on. Identity politics is 100% a western problem, if anything the East is one of the last bastions against all this ********. Most likely BG3 became this woke because of WoTC influence & demands, and because somebody convinced Swen that catering to "diversity" would be more profitable for the game overall, as such is a plague in ALL entertainment industry, BG3 is just yet another victim.

Edit: clarifying my point

[orinEsque]

Dude China doesn't give a **** about identity politics. Tencent bought 30% of Larian's shares because tencent is huge and they want to grab any share of the market they can put their hands on. Identity politics is 100% a western problem, if anything the East is one of the last bastions against all this ********. Most likely BG3 became this woke because of WoTC influence & demands, and because somebody convinced Swen that catering to "diversity" would be more profitable for the game overall, as such is a plague in ALL entertainment industry, BG3 is just yet another victim.

Edit: clarifying my point

China wants identity politics for West, and none for themselves, Its a weapon. a very strong weapon. Demoralise and emasculate the fighting force, aka men.

[The_Mask]

"Californian"
That's spot-on lmao

I'm German so eh, I don't get it I think

We already know Germans struggle with humor.

[Anon]

Dude China doesn't give a **** about identity politics. Tencent bought 30% of Larian's shares because tencent is huge and they want to grab any share of the market they can put their hands on. Identity politics is 100% a western problem, if anything the East is one of the last bastions against all this ********. Most likely BG3 became this woke because of WoTC influence & demands, and because somebody convinced Swen that catering to "diversity" would be more profitable for the game overall, as such is a plague in ALL entertainment industry, BG3 is just yet another victim.

Edit: clarifying my point

China wants identity politics for West, and none for themselves, Its a weapon. a very strong weapon. Demoralise and emasculate the fighting force, aka men.

It's another "group of people" that pushes identity politics so hard, that happens to control most of US finances btw. China got 1.2 billion people, most of their work goes towards not letting their country melt.

[orinEsque]

It's another "group of people" that pushes identity politics so hard, that happens to control most of US finances btw. China got 1.2 billion people, most of their work goes towards not letting their country melt.

You can say "jew" in this forum.

p.s. alphabet discussion is not offtopic in this thread. If you need support, we have a separate support subforum dedicated to this mod.

[Anon]

I wouldn't even say **** but rather zionists. But well then you get it. US would be blessed if China was their biggest worry.

[Lich]

It's the ****