No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[Slavic Sorcerer]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

[SoLong]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

orinEsque already gave her opinion on this somewhere. I think her verdict was that since the male Aylin was the standard male preset (the original one before they made it black) it was just a test dummy to check the armor and other functionality.

[Rand]

Most people just shut up and never mod again when **** like this happens.

Yup. That's what the scum want and what I fear most.
Every time they get their way, the world gets objectively worse.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

orinEsque already gave her opinion on this somewhere. I think her verdict was that since the male Aylin was the standard male preset (the original one before they made it black) it was just a test dummy to check the armor and other functionality.

Apologies, it must've slipped my sight when I was browsing the thread.

[orinEsque]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

It's yedlike's video, not mine, but yes we found that the male preset was already there.

But I think it (the male Aylin) was a test dummy to test the armour etc. Because you have armour for every race, class and gender. There is an "old nightsong" with a sleazy outfit. I have a theory nightsong was just a female cleric of shar initially, before they changed it to Dame Aylin.

[Ty6]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

It's yedlike's video, not mine, but yes we found that the male preset was already there.

But I think it (the male Aylin) was a test dummy to test the armour etc. Because you have armour for every race, class and gender. There is an "old nightsong" with a sleazy outfit. I have a theory nightsong was just a female cleric of shar initially, before they changed it to Dame Aylin.

Old Nightsong model just got reused as the goddess Shar herself.

[Nobere]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

It's not surprising, there are 71 countries where homosexuality is Illegal.
Many games that have LGBTQ+ content will block that content if they see a regon code from one of those countries.

[DagothGeas5]

Sorry for resurrecting old post, but you should post this in the BBA thread, its to do more with lore accurate races etc. I'm currently not doing any "random" npc changes. Maybe someone in better baldur's aesthetics thread might be interested.

I remember reading somewhere (not sure if on Chris' mod or yours) that the Flaming Fist guards in Baldur's Gate (city proper) would be made to either be all male like in the original (I SERVE THE FLAMING FIST!) or less of a "diverse brigade group" by using AI voice and modifying their appearances, wanted to ask if it was your mod that might do this in the future or Chris'?

That would be Chris' mod. I haven't done any race related changes, barring changing names of some guards to match Chris' mod.

Thank you for the information! I love the work you both put into this. Once the game will be on a less update-frequency, I hope to put my own modding ability to use (though I am by no means as experienced on modding this game, I hope to be of some use if the time will come!) Thank you again for sharing the work you did!

[DagothGeas5]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

It's yedlike's video, not mine, but yes we found that the male preset was already there.

But I think it (the male Aylin) was a test dummy to test the armour etc. Because you have armour for every race, class and gender. There is an "old nightsong" with a sleazy outfit. I have a theory nightsong was just a female cleric of shar initially, before they changed it to Dame Aylin.

Old Nightsong model just got reused as the goddess Shar herself.

Do you guys recall there was a group of fishermen digging their "dead daughter" out of the wreckage in the opening area? It would then possibly result in a fight as they were being mind-controlled by the Illithid, I really loved the feeling that scene gave to the game (also highlighting the power mind flayers possess), I wanted to ask, is the scene still in the game files somewhere? Or was it completely removed? And also, does anyone have an idea why it could have been removed? It only added to the game, in my opinion, the only thing I can think of could be that there was a "white male looking for his daughter" that they got "offended" by or something, I hope for a more logical explanation.

[Phenomenonofhope]

It's yedlike's video, not mine, but yes we found that the male preset was already there.

But I think it (the male Aylin) was a test dummy to test the armour etc. Because you have armour for every race, class and gender. There is an "old nightsong" with a sleazy outfit. I have a theory nightsong was just a female cleric of shar initially, before they changed it to Dame Aylin.

Old Nightsong model just got reused as the goddess Shar herself.

Do you guys recall there was a group of fishermen digging their "dead daughter" out of the wreckage in the opening area? It would then possibly result in a fight as they were being mind-controlled by the Illithid, I really loved the feeling that scene gave to the game (also highlighting the power mind flayers possess), I wanted to ask, is the scene still in the game files somewhere? Or was it completely removed? And also, does anyone have an idea why it could have been removed? It only added to the game, in my opinion, the only thing I can think of could be that there was a "white male looking for his daughter" that they got "offended" by or something, I hope for a more logical explanation.

You are wichhunting, friend. They deleted that scene with 'Paladin' class update. Described interaction easily led to broken paladins oath.

[DagothGeas5]

Old Nightsong model just got reused as the goddess Shar herself.

Do you guys recall there was a group of fishermen digging their "dead daughter" out of the wreckage in the opening area? It would then possibly result in a fight as they were being mind-controlled by the Illithid, I really loved the feeling that scene gave to the game (also highlighting the power mind flayers possess), I wanted to ask, is the scene still in the game files somewhere? Or was it completely removed? And also, does anyone have an idea why it could have been removed? It only added to the game, in my opinion, the only thing I can think of could be that there was a "white male looking for his daughter" that they got "offended" by or something, I hope for a more logical explanation.

You are wichhunting, friend. They deleted that scene with 'Paladin' class update. Described interaction easily led to broken paladins oath.

I am not sure about witchunting, more like "walking on broken legs fearing one more fall after trusting on goodwill too much", thank you for the info! Though I still miss that interaction , hope to be able to restore it myself in some way, if it still is around there somewhere, when, IF, they will release a modding tool.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

It's yedlike's video, not mine, but yes we found that the male preset was already there.

But I think it (the male Aylin) was a test dummy to test the armour etc. Because you have armour for every race, class and gender. There is an "old nightsong" with a sleazy outfit. I have a theory nightsong was just a female cleric of shar initially, before they changed it to Dame Aylin.

I thought you two were the same person
My apologies, I made a fool out of myself

[Slavic Sorcerer]

Watched your video on the truth.

I was shocked to learn that the files for male Aylin were already there.

Do you think this proves Aylin was male in the beginning of development @orinEsque?

I just wanted to pick your brain on this.

It's not surprising, there are 71 countries where homosexuality is Illegal.
Many games that have LGBTQ+ content will block that content if they see a regon code from one of those countries.

Either homosexuality itself is illegal (Saudi Arabia) or promotion of such material in the media (games, movies etc) but homosexual citizens are not persecuted by law (Russia, Poland to a lesser degree).

I wonder how the game looks like in both cases - if it was released at all (if we assume every single one of those 71 countries has access to goods like games).
Since women get off easily for being lesbian-ish in their behaviour, I can imagine they cut off any mentions of their love, the kiss scene, the "exploration of our bodies line" and similar.
They are just really, really, REALLY close friends.

Men do not have that easy; simple hug is seen as a gay act
Which is why I theorize there is so little media featuring a prominent gay couple (to a degree Aylin and Isobel are) because it would be harder to fix in censorship part of development.

[Kalin]

Wrong forum. Delete, please.

Delete yourself subhuman scum.

[Art Department]

Wrong forum. Delete, please.

Delete yourself subhuman scum.

He posted in this thread instead the support one.

[Segata]

He posted in this thread instead the support one.

Kalin is our resident drunkard, please ignore.

[Luckmann]

You are wichhunting, friend. They deleted that scene with 'Paladin' class update. Described interaction easily led to broken paladins oath.

I love paladins being able to fall, and removing this just to avoid ******* shooting themselves in the foot reeks of whiny ****** entitlement.

[SoLong]

You are wichhunting, friend. They deleted that scene with 'Paladin' class update. Described interaction easily led to broken paladins oath.

I love paladins being able to fall, and removing this just to avoid ******* shooting themselves in the foot reeks of whiny ****** entitlement.

Honestly the complaint is half-justified. Yes, you're right that paladins should be able to fall. (And restoring your Oath is **** easy, you can just pay gold.)

On the other hand it's very easy to break your oath even over piddly things. Attack that goblin who's current torturing a gnome before they turn hostile? Oath broken. Attack the slave trader before he turns hostile? Oath broken.

Attack the ******* serial killer before he can kill his victim before he turns hostile? You guessed it, Oath ******* broken.

If you're not playing Vengeance Paladin you're forced to play a lawful stupid character and even they have their moments.

[Phenomenonofhope]

You are wichhunting, friend. They deleted that scene with 'Paladin' class update. Described interaction easily led to broken paladins oath.

I love paladins being able to fall, and removing this just to avoid ******* shooting themselves in the foot reeks of whiny ****** entitlement.

Honestly the complaint is half-justified. Yes, you're right that paladins should be able to fall. (And restoring your Oath is **** easy, you can just pay gold.)

On the other hand it's very easy to break your oath even over piddly things. Attack that goblin who's current torturing a gnome before they turn hostile? Oath broken. Attack the slave trader before he turns hostile? Oath broken.

Attack the ******* serial killer before he can kill his victim before he turns hostile? You guessed it, Oath ******* broken.

If you're not playing Vengeance Paladin you're forced to play a lawful stupid character and even they have their moments.

Problem of this specific scene with paladin is it's location. It's literally in 10 meters after start game point. So, to keep it means to do a disservice to the paladin protagonist. I agree with devs, who deleted it, even if I liked that little quest myself.

Yes, indulgentia. Pay gold price to reduce your sins. Very duplicitous and very historically plausible.
And it's very cool that players have a lot of other options to fail the Oath.
High moral standards imply high demands to behavior. So the simplicity of breaking an oath is quite natural. But it forces you to constantly do mental gymnastics, explaining the presence of an all-metal head on the shoulders of your character. I once played a tabletop D&D campaign as a
paladin, and it was so exhausting. I will never do it again. I found salvation in the idea that the paladin archetype has it's vivid reflection in pop culture as Bruce Wayne. It made my role more bearable.

[Oyster Sauce]

I love paladins being able to fall, and removing this just to avoid ******* shooting themselves in the foot reeks of whiny ****** entitlement.

Honestly the complaint is half-justified. Yes, you're right that paladins should be able to fall. (And restoring your Oath is **** easy, you can just pay gold.)

On the other hand it's very easy to break your oath even over piddly things. Attack that goblin who's current torturing a gnome before they turn hostile? Oath broken. Attack the slave trader before he turns hostile? Oath broken.

Attack the ******* serial killer before he can kill his victim before he turns hostile? You guessed it, Oath ******* broken.

If you're not playing Vengeance Paladin you're forced to play a lawful stupid character and even they have their moments.

Problem of this specific scene with paladin is it's location. It's literally in 10 meters after start game point. So, to keep it means to do a disservice to the paladin protagonist. I agree with devs, who deleted it, even if I liked that little quest myself.

Yes, indulgentia. Pay gold price to reduce your sins. Very duplicitous and very historically plausible.
And it's very cool that players have a lot of other options to fail the Oath.
High moral standards imply high demands to behavior. So the simplicity of breaking an oath is quite natural. But it forces you to constantly do mental gymnastics, explaining the presence of an all-metal head on the shoulders of your character. I once played a tabletop D&D campaign as a
paladin, and it was so exhausting. I will never do it again. I found salvation in the idea that the paladin archetype has it's vivid reflection in pop culture as Bruce Wayne. It made my role more bearable.

Sounds like a good spot for a tutorial popup that introduces the non-lethal fighting stance.

[Phenomenonofhope]

Honestly the complaint is half-justified. Yes, you're right that paladins should be able to fall. (And restoring your Oath is **** easy, you can just pay gold.)

On the other hand it's very easy to break your oath even over piddly things. Attack that goblin who's current torturing a gnome before they turn hostile? Oath broken. Attack the slave trader before he turns hostile? Oath broken.

Attack the ******* serial killer before he can kill his victim before he turns hostile? You guessed it, Oath ******* broken.

If you're not playing Vengeance Paladin you're forced to play a lawful stupid character and even they have their moments.

Problem of this specific scene with paladin is it's location. It's literally in 10 meters after start game point. So, to keep it means to do a disservice to the paladin protagonist. I agree with devs, who deleted it, even if I liked that little quest myself.

Yes, indulgentia. Pay gold price to reduce your sins. Very duplicitous and very historically plausible.
And it's very cool that players have a lot of other options to fail the Oath.
High moral standards imply high demands to behavior. So the simplicity of breaking an oath is quite natural. But it forces you to constantly do mental gymnastics, explaining the presence of an all-metal head on the shoulders of your character. I once played a tabletop D&D campaign as a
paladin, and it was so exhausting. I will never do it again. I found salvation in the idea that the paladin archetype has it's vivid reflection in pop culture as Bruce Wayne. It made my role more bearable.

Sounds like a good spot for a tutorial popup that introduces the non-lethal fighting stance.

You're right about that, of course, but the problem with a large audience is that it quite often demonstrates a reverse evolution and loses ability to read, as well as ability to understand what is written.
How many hours for refund steam gives? 2? During this time, you can start the game for the paladin class, by skipping dialogues and tutorials, lose the oath and, outraged about this, make a refund. I know it sounds silly, but Larian Studios weren't sure about the high sales. Remember what happened in July - they moved release on month earlier because they were afraid of competing with Starfield. In hindsight sounds ridiculous, but they did not know.
Larian is not at all as big and rich studio as many people think. All their finances were invested in the development. If the sales failed, the studio would go bankrupt.

[doctornirgon]

Love seeing more updates and rage articles from the sickos

[Goth-Girl-Supremacy]

[mod=Administrators]No proof provided of malware, GGS is known troll.[/mod]
Why does this download link have malware in it?

[gunbino]

10% off on Steam. My cheap *** refuses to by games that aren't on sale. Before I jump in, another thanks to all the mod authors who worked so hard to shield from our virgin eyes what was and could have been.

[orinEsque]

Santa comes bearing presents in collab with @Crusaderknight20

Version 3.0

• Nocturne now looks more manly and has a different deeper voice. No matter what voice is used, the voice acting is so bad that it makes me think of a person tryharding in a studio instead of a character in bg3.
• Nocturne's journal fully revamped. It no longer mentions any gender confusion.
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• Droona Schveitz (L) specifically mentions a daughter that passed away.
• Fuschia Vineshoot (G) is now a woman.
• Philomeen (L) now calls Laridda a friend.
• Fixed many Aylin related oversights and bugs reported by users. Inc Dame Aylin references from Jaheira, Thisobald, Shadowheart, Emperor & Isobel.
• Infiltration Expertise and Disguise Self now uses male & females instead of masc/femme. Removed mention of "body type"
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• CCreator has been updated for latest patch.
• Character Creator now says "Gender" instead of "Identity"
• Character Creator now describes voices as Male X and Female X instead of Voice 1, Voice 2 etc
• Character Creator now uses "Gender and Musculature" instead of "Body Type" and now says F, M, MS and FS instead of 1, 2, 3, 4
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Merry Christmas everyone! Translators will want to update their Lingo.

[Nobere]

Thank you for the update and merry Christmas.

[Ty6]

Santa comes bearing presents in collab with @Crusaderknight20

Version 3.0

• Nocturne now looks more manly and has a different deeper voice. No matter what voice is used, the voice acting is so bad that it makes me think of a person tryharding in a studio instead of a character in bg3.
  ► Show Spoiler

  
• Droona Schveitz (L) specifically mentions a daughter that passed away.
• Fuschia Vineshoot (G) is now a woman.
• Philomeen (L) now calls Laridda a friend.
• Fixed many Aylin related oversights and bugs reported by users. Inc Dame Aylin references from Jaheira, Thisobald, Shadowheart, Emperor & Isobel.
• Infiltration Expertise and Disguise Self now uses male & females instead of masc/femme. Removed mention of "body type"
  ► Show Spoiler

  
• CCreator has been updated for latest patch.
• Character Creator now says "Gender" instead of "Identity"
• Character Creator now describes voices as Male X and Female X instead of Voice 1, Voice 2 etc
• Character Creator now uses "Gender and Musculature" instead of "Body Type" and now says F, M, MS and FS instead of 1, 2, 3, 4
  ► Show Spoiler

  

Merry Christmas everyone! Translators will want to update their Lingo.

Many thanks for the new update

One quick thing, I noticed Fuschia Vineshoot still uses a male potrait. I was just wondering if this was an oversight or just not worth doing due to being a minor character.

[orinEsque]

Santa comes bearing presents in collab with @Crusaderknight20

Version 3.0

• Nocturne now looks more manly and has a different deeper voice. No matter what voice is used, the voice acting is so bad that it makes me think of a person tryharding in a studio instead of a character in bg3.
  ► Show Spoiler

  
• Droona Schveitz (L) specifically mentions a daughter that passed away.
• Fuschia Vineshoot (G) is now a woman.
• Philomeen (L) now calls Laridda a friend.
• Fixed many Aylin related oversights and bugs reported by users. Inc Dame Aylin references from Jaheira, Thisobald, Shadowheart, Emperor & Isobel.
• Infiltration Expertise and Disguise Self now uses male & females instead of masc/femme. Removed mention of "body type"
  ► Show Spoiler

  
• CCreator has been updated for latest patch.
• Character Creator now says "Gender" instead of "Identity"
• Character Creator now describes voices as Male X and Female X instead of Voice 1, Voice 2 etc
• Character Creator now uses "Gender and Musculature" instead of "Body Type" and now says F, M, MS and FS instead of 1, 2, 3, 4
  ► Show Spoiler

  

Merry Christmas everyone! Translators will want to update their Lingo.

Many thanks for the new update

One quick thing, I noticed Fuschia Vineshoot still uses a male potrait. I was just wondering if this was an oversight or just not worth doing due to being a minor character.

good catch. Hotfix incoming. I didn't meant to leave feminine body type in disguise description either! Someone's been going around killing NPCs

[Ty6]

Santa comes bearing presents in collab with @Crusaderknight20

Version 3.0

• Nocturne now looks more manly and has a different deeper voice. No matter what voice is used, the voice acting is so bad that it makes me think of a person tryharding in a studio instead of a character in bg3.
  ► Show Spoiler

  
• Droona Schveitz (L) specifically mentions a daughter that passed away.
• Fuschia Vineshoot (G) is now a woman.
• Philomeen (L) now calls Laridda a friend.
• Fixed many Aylin related oversights and bugs reported by users. Inc Dame Aylin references from Jaheira, Thisobald, Shadowheart, Emperor & Isobel.
• Infiltration Expertise and Disguise Self now uses male & females instead of masc/femme. Removed mention of "body type"
  ► Show Spoiler

  
• CCreator has been updated for latest patch.
• Character Creator now says "Gender" instead of "Identity"
• Character Creator now describes voices as Male X and Female X instead of Voice 1, Voice 2 etc
• Character Creator now uses "Gender and Musculature" instead of "Body Type" and now says F, M, MS and FS instead of 1, 2, 3, 4
  ► Show Spoiler

  

Merry Christmas everyone! Translators will want to update their Lingo.

Many thanks for the new update

One quick thing, I noticed Fuschia Vineshoot still uses a male potrait. I was just wondering if this was an oversight or just not worth doing due to being a minor character.

good catch. Hotfix incoming. I didn't meant to leave feminine body type in disguise description either! Someone's been going around killing NPCs

Thanks! Do you think you could make a tutorial on how to make good NPC replacement portraits at some point along with how to find NPC data in the game files? Someone still needs to go through BBA and replace all the old potraits with more 'lore accurate' ones. I would like to try my hand at it but don't know where to start.

[orinEsque]

Many thanks for the new update

One quick thing, I noticed Fuschia Vineshoot still uses a male potrait. I was just wondering if this was an oversight or just not worth doing due to being a minor character.

good catch. Hotfix incoming. I didn't meant to leave feminine body type in disguise description either! Someone's been going around killing NPCs

Thanks! Do you think you could make a tutorial on how to make good NPC replacement portraits at some point along with how to find NPC data in the game files? Someone still needs to go through BBA and replace all the old potraits with more 'lore accurate' ones. I would like to try my hand at it but don't know where to start.

Yes, this is on my list of things to do. My modding tutorial sort of jumps into the middle. I'll update it at some point.

Oh portrait tutorial is already there in the modding help page: viewtopic.php?p=33136-npc-modding-help- ... r-s-gate-3