Junior Adventurer's Guild - July: POLL OPEN

[Oyster Sauce]

Games nominated by those who beat Dark Messiah this month

[Valter]

I played Fable Anniversary. Is that the same game as The Lost Chapters?

[Oyster Sauce]

I played Fable Anniversary. Is that the same game as The Lost Chapters?

It's the remake

[rusty_shackleford]

If you want to suck up to the admin, I nominated King's Field: The Ancient City

[wndrbr]

I played Fable Anniversary. Is that the same game as The Lost Chapters?

it's an Unreal engine remake, but a pretty faithful one. Only the graphics were changed, the gameplay and the story remained the same.

[Oyster Sauce]

I played Fable Anniversary. Is that the same game as The Lost Chapters?

it's an Unreal engine remake, but a pretty faithful one. Only the graphics were changed, the gameplay and the story remained the same.

I found that you could mess with .ini settings to fix a lot of the artstyle issues, but that was many moons ago

[Eyestabber]

It's about time a real RPG was selected, so ToEE is the morally correct choice. Don't let the peasants win!

[wndrbr]

I played Fable Anniversary. Is that the same game as The Lost Chapters?

it's an Unreal engine remake, but a pretty faithful one. Only the graphics were changed, the gameplay and the story remained the same.

I found that you could mess with .ini settings to fix a lot of the artstyle issues, but that was many moons ago

might be a controversial opinion, but i think both the OG Fable and the Anniversary remake look equally ugly.

[rusty_shackleford]

ToEE isn't particularly good and there's a reason it sold so poorly beyond being woefully unfinished. It's a game for 3.5e nerds and that's about it.

[Tweed]

Time to Nox up the HQ:

NOX - Preview [VHS] (Westwood Studios/EA, 2000)
Trailer : Nox (PC, 2000)

[Dorateen]

Temple of Elemental Evil it is.

[Valter]

****, torn between KOTOR 2 and Witcher. Also Parasite Eve though I haven't played that one, just curious since I hear the plot is unhinged.

[rusty_shackleford]

If you want to suck up to the admin, I nominated King's Field: The Ancient City

Nobody wants to dungeon crawl?

[Tweed]

Why hasn't @J1M voted for his game yet?

[SpellSword]

Time to Nox up the HQ:

NOX - Preview [VHS] (Westwood Studios/EA, 2000)
Trailer : Nox (PC, 2000)

The pull of Front Mission's giant robots is strong... but I'll put my vote behind Nox.

I'm intrigued by the concept of a western Isekai, diablo clone made by the developer of Command & Conquer.

If you want to suck up to the admin, I nominated King's Field: The Ancient City

Nobody wants to dungeon crawl?

► The trailer looks good:

King's Field 4 Trailer 2

► Nice soundtrack as well:

King's Field IV Track - Main Theme

Vexingly, I'm not setup to emulate PS2 at the moment.

[Tweed]

I'd be in for Kangz Field if I wasn't already in for Nox, even though Rusty doesn't know how to count. KF games are like discount, Japanese versions of Ultima Underworld, but p.fun.

The pull of Front Mission's giant robots is strong... but I'll put my vote behind Nox.

I'm intrigued by the concept of a western Isekai, diablo clone from the year 2000 made by the developer of Command & Conquer.

It's decent fun and when you know the history of the development it's a marvel of game design what Westwood pulled off with what little they were given by EA.

[Acrux]

ToEE isn't particularly good and there's a reason it sold so poorly beyond being woefully unfinished. It's a game for 3.5e nerds and that's about it.

Before anyone takes rusty's word on this, remind yourself of the games he's lauded over the years.

[rusty_shackleford]

ToEE isn't particularly good and there's a reason it sold so poorly beyond being woefully unfinished. It's a game for 3.5e nerds and that's about it.

Before anyone takes rusty's word on this, remind yourself of the games he's lauded over the years.

Games like ToEE are barely more than just X-COM with some extra character stats. Wholly detached from the actual RPG experience of your character's story but instead a tactical combat simulator for small scale warfare with units you command.
Too many people forget that D&D wasn't even intended to be played with miniatures let alone a tactical map. D&D was not "Chainmail but more", it was a hard break from Chainmail with some bones thrown for sales.

When I write the original D&D ms. I wasn't sure how many of the players would be cming directly from CHAINMAIL. when it became apparent that only a small fractin of D&D fans were also miniatures players, I wnet with the system that suited the game.

No, as far as I am concerned miniature figurines are more of an impediment to the imagination required for RPGing than they are a help...save in combat situations.
However, as RPGs are not meant to be accurate/realistic combat simulation exercises, the use of miniatures tends to cause an erroneous focus to the play. Yur questin about weapon length highlights this point.
The only time weapon speed and length should be used is when a critical combat between an Avatar and one ot more NACs is being conducted. In general melee with a party, ignore those factors and use initiative only without uncluding them.

Tactical combat in 3e was a complete deviation from what came prior.

If ToEE was sci-fi instead of fantasy, it would be labeled a tactical game or tactics-RPG hybrid. Much like how the Hexen games get labeled RPG despite just being Doom with a fantasy aesthetic.

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When you can't identify your own personal character in the story, then it moves out of the RPG genre into a tactical combat genre. It's why ULTIMA was the true adaptation of D&D as intended, not WIZARDRY.

[Acrux]

I don't disagree with any of that. It's still a good game.