Earliest RPGs with crime systems/item ownership?

[rusty_shackleford]

Valter had a poignant question regarding Fallout,

There doesn't seem to be a crime system, at least concering all the looting I'm doing across these bookshelves. Is that kind of system not widespread yet back when this was released?

If I remember correctly, it did not track any kind of item ownership or crime. I'm fairly certain this was something Arcanum had some years later, however.
Daggerfall likewise does not track any item ownership, but it does have a rudimentary crime system.

[asf]

ultima

[Valter]

Seems like Ultima is the video game version of "The Simpsons already did it"

[Roguey]

Fallout did in fact have a crime system.


People don't care if you loot bookshelves no one owns.

And of course as with most things, this was an element in the Ultimas https://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Stealing_(concept)

[Rand]

In Ultima 2, you were obliged to steal vehicles in order to complete the game.
I don't recall if you could steal anything except castle treasure in Ultima.

[rusty_shackleford]

Seems like Ultima is the video game version of "The Simpsons already did it"

Fallout did in fact have a crime system.


People don't care if you loot bookshelves no one owns.

And of course as with most things, this was an element in the Ultimas https://wiki.ultimacodex.com/wiki/Stealing_(concept)

Neither seem to have any concept of item ownership tho

[Roguey]

Neither seem to have any concept of item ownership tho

Wouldn't this be ownership? If you try to see what's in his bookcase, he warns you once. You do it again, he attacks you.

[rusty_shackleford]

Neither seem to have any concept of item ownership tho

Wouldn't this be ownership? If you try to see what's in his bookcase, he warns you once. You do it again, he attacks you.

I think it's just a scripted interaction with that specific bookcase, isn't it?

[Rand]

I think it's just a scripted interaction with that specific bookcase, isn't it?

Yes. I know about Fallout scripting and item stats and items do not have an owner tag, only containers and it has to be specifically scripted.

[Tweed]

Item ownership is present in Ultima 6, Lord British gets really mad when you take his fork.

[maidenhaver]

You can steal food in Ultima 2.