Baldur's Gate 3

[Vaako]

Incredibly low standards, desperation, and a porn addiction.

If for any reason we receive a key offer for A Kobold Story: Trenchcoat Adventurer I get it, no exceptions.

for future use

[CheesusCrust]

interesting ****. so this user openly posted her de-niggafied Wyll on surodmg's server about two hours ago, replacing him with Xavier from Love and Deepspace. i see no **** screeching about d*versity in sight. what in matrix bug i just witnessed?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The legends are true. I heard about it this, but seeing it's actually a thing a business put in a video game is astounding.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The character creator was nowhere near as robust as I thought it would be. Can't change the body shape or height of your character, limited hairstyles, no facial muscle sliders, etc. It is also strange that the selection of male voices is very narrow. They all sound rather young and sedate. Now more energetic voices or deeper voices or older voices.

Shadowheart sounds cute. Just looking at screenshots before I played, I didn't see the appeal and what all the fuss was about with her.

I am surprised there was no option to talk to the winged demon commander during battle like in Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Sakura Wars, etc. I thought it would have been possible to ally with him/play him against the evil tentacles, and then turn against him.

So far I am not seeing the wow factor.

Meeting Gale, the mo-cap animations are neat.

It is odd how movie like the cutscenes are, but you click a dialogue option and your character doesn't speak them.

I went into the chapel dungeon, and the way the combats play out just feels counterintuitive. It seems to be going for that realistic sim thing, so for the bandits on the top and then for the skeletons below, I tried setting up behind a chokepoint like a door way with my three melees (my fighter main character, La'zel, and Shadowheart) with Gale behind them to cast the thunder magic (which thankfully doesn't hit my guys, the wording made it sound like it would hit "everyone"). But then I am waiting for enemies to come through my chokepoint and get meleed, but instead they instead stop at mid range and throw rocks or grenades in rather than coming in, so now I have to go out the door to melee them. So I should have just rushed them in the first place.




It is odd how spears do not seem to give you more melee range.

It is jarring how there are such movie like cutscenes when talking to characters, but then for combat your camera is looking down at little characters and they hit like weak noodles and the combat feels so flaccid. Even when trying to zoom in as close as possible, it feels bad. They really should have done closeup shots of the action.

The music has been forgettable.

I found some medium sized heavy locked chests but ran out of lockpicks, but apparently I can put them into Le'zel's inventory until I get some more picks and she can run around unencumbered? What?

I have just met Astarion, and now he's telling me to kick someone out of the party for him to join. But I only have a pitiful 3 party member slots besides the main character. Why is the party size 4? That is insanely small. Why can't I have 5 or 6 characters? And then none of these characters seem particularly cool or appealing to me. Which BG3 party members are generally regarded as the best story wise? I wonder if I should install that mod that just plays all party member cutscenes regardless of whether or not they are in your party.

[rusty_shackleford]

I am surprised there was no option to talk to the winged demon commander during battle like in Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Sakura Wars, etc. I thought it would have been possible to ally with him/play him against the evil tentacles, and then turn against him.

The prologue was much longer at one point in early access, it was heavily cut down. Not sure why.

I found some medium sized heavy locked chests but ran out of lockpicks, but apparently I can put them into Le'zel's inventory until I get some more picks and she can run around unencumbered? What?

Encumbrance was also removed at some point during early access

To be fair, it was also obviated because you can just go to your camp at any time, which is silly.

[orinEsque]

The character creator was nowhere near as robust as I thought it would be. Can't change the body shape or height of your character, limited hairstyles, no facial muscle sliders, etc. It is also strange that the selection of male voices is very narrow. They all sound rather young and sedate. Now more energetic voices or deeper voices or older voices.

Shadowheart sounds cute. Just looking at screenshots before I played, I didn't see the appeal and what all the fuss was about with her.

I am surprised there was no option to talk to the winged demon commander during battle like in Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Sakura Wars, etc. I thought it would have been possible to ally with him/play him against the evil tentacles, and then turn against him.

So far I am not seeing the wow factor.

Meeting Gale, the mo-cap animations are neat.

It is odd how movie like the cutscenes are, but you click a dialogue option and your character doesn't speak them.

I went into the chapel dungeon, and the way the combats play out just feels counterintuitive. It seems to be going for that realistic sim thing, so for the bandits on the top and then for the skeletons below, I tried setting up behind a chokepoint like a door way with my three melees (my fighter main character, La'zel, and Shadowheart) with Gale behind them to cast the thunder magic (which thankfully doesn't hit my guys, the wording made it sound like it would hit "everyone"). But then I am waiting for enemies to come through my chokepoint and get meleed, but instead they instead stop at mid range and throw rocks or grenades in rather than coming in, so now I have to go out the door to melee them. So I should have just rushed them in the first place.




It is odd how spears do not seem to give you more melee range.

It is jarring how there are such movie like cutscenes when talking to characters, but then for combat your camera is looking down at little characters and they hit like weak noodles and the combat feels so flaccid. Even when trying to zoom in as close as possible, it feels bad. They really should have done closeup shots of the action.

The music has been forgettable.

I found some medium sized heavy locked chests but ran out of lockpicks, but apparently I can put them into Le'zel's inventory until I get some more picks and she can run around unencumbered? What?

I have just met Astarion, and now he's telling me to kick someone out of the party for him to join. But I only have a pitiful 3 party member slots besides the main character. Why is the party size 4? That is insanely small. Why can't I have 5 or 6 characters? And then none of these characters seem particularly cool or appealing to me. Which BG3 party members are generally regarded as the best story wise? I wonder if I should install that mod that just plays all party member cutscenes regardless of whether or not they are in your party.

Vanilla bg3... ugh.

[rusty_shackleford]

Also agree that the default tactical combat camera is a strange choice when they spent so much effort on graphical fidelity/cinematic feel. You can do turn-based in a closer third-person perspective just fine. I'd probably point the blame for that at for the game becoming much more cinematic as development went on, I guess.

IMO optimal way to play is with the mod that enables WASD movement and a very close third-person camera.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The character creator was nowhere near as robust as I thought it would be. Can't change the body shape or height of your character, limited hairstyles, no facial muscle sliders, etc. It is also strange that the selection of male voices is very narrow. They all sound rather young and sedate. Now more energetic voices or deeper voices or older voices.

Shadowheart sounds cute. Just looking at screenshots before I played, I didn't see the appeal and what all the fuss was about with her.

I am surprised there was no option to talk to the winged demon commander during battle like in Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Sakura Wars, etc. I thought it would have been possible to ally with him/play him against the evil tentacles, and then turn against him.

So far I am not seeing the wow factor.

Meeting Gale, the mo-cap animations are neat.

It is odd how movie like the cutscenes are, but you click a dialogue option and your character doesn't speak them.

I went into the chapel dungeon, and the way the combats play out just feels counterintuitive. It seems to be going for that realistic sim thing, so for the bandits on the top and then for the skeletons below, I tried setting up behind a chokepoint like a door way with my three melees (my fighter main character, La'zel, and Shadowheart) with Gale behind them to cast the thunder magic (which thankfully doesn't hit my guys, the wording made it sound like it would hit "everyone"). But then I am waiting for enemies to come through my chokepoint and get meleed, but instead they instead stop at mid range and throw rocks or grenades in rather than coming in, so now I have to go out the door to melee them. So I should have just rushed them in the first place.




It is odd how spears do not seem to give you more melee range.

It is jarring how there are such movie like cutscenes when talking to characters, but then for combat your camera is looking down at little characters and they hit like weak noodles and the combat feels so flaccid. Even when trying to zoom in as close as possible, it feels bad. They really should have done closeup shots of the action.

The music has been forgettable.

I found some medium sized heavy locked chests but ran out of lockpicks, but apparently I can put them into Le'zel's inventory until I get some more picks and she can run around unencumbered? What?

I have just met Astarion, and now he's telling me to kick someone out of the party for him to join. But I only have a pitiful 3 party member slots besides the main character. Why is the party size 4? That is insanely small. Why can't I have 5 or 6 characters? And then none of these characters seem particularly cool or appealing to me. Which BG3 party members are generally regarded as the best story wise? I wonder if I should install that mod that just plays all party member cutscenes regardless of whether or not they are in your party.

Vanilla bg3... ugh.

I am using the generally recommended mods I have seen pop up here.

• NoAlphabets
• RealmsRestored 80% crowds
• RR DeGirlboss
• Dignify
• Wylls of Baldurs Gate (I picked the black version, making him look like a better more handsome version of the character)
• Really Shadowheart
• Shadowheart Tweaked
• BetterRomance (not sure I want to even engage with this system in this game tbh)
• Narrator Mortanius
• Immersive Loading Screens

It was weird that I had to first start a game and create a character, and then save during the first inengine cutscene and exit the game and then install the mods. It is nice that you can save and load during cutscenes like in an emulator.

[orinEsque]

The character creator was nowhere near as robust as I thought it would be. Can't change the body shape or height of your character, limited hairstyles, no facial muscle sliders, etc. It is also strange that the selection of male voices is very narrow. They all sound rather young and sedate. Now more energetic voices or deeper voices or older voices.

Shadowheart sounds cute. Just looking at screenshots before I played, I didn't see the appeal and what all the fuss was about with her.

I am surprised there was no option to talk to the winged demon commander during battle like in Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Sakura Wars, etc. I thought it would have been possible to ally with him/play him against the evil tentacles, and then turn against him.

So far I am not seeing the wow factor.

Meeting Gale, the mo-cap animations are neat.

It is odd how movie like the cutscenes are, but you click a dialogue option and your character doesn't speak them.

I went into the chapel dungeon, and the way the combats play out just feels counterintuitive. It seems to be going for that realistic sim thing, so for the bandits on the top and then for the skeletons below, I tried setting up behind a chokepoint like a door way with my three melees (my fighter main character, La'zel, and Shadowheart) with Gale behind them to cast the thunder magic (which thankfully doesn't hit my guys, the wording made it sound like it would hit "everyone"). But then I am waiting for enemies to come through my chokepoint and get meleed, but instead they instead stop at mid range and throw rocks or grenades in rather than coming in, so now I have to go out the door to melee them. So I should have just rushed them in the first place.




It is odd how spears do not seem to give you more melee range.

It is jarring how there are such movie like cutscenes when talking to characters, but then for combat your camera is looking down at little characters and they hit like weak noodles and the combat feels so flaccid. Even when trying to zoom in as close as possible, it feels bad. They really should have done closeup shots of the action.

The music has been forgettable.

I found some medium sized heavy locked chests but ran out of lockpicks, but apparently I can put them into Le'zel's inventory until I get some more picks and she can run around unencumbered? What?

I have just met Astarion, and now he's telling me to kick someone out of the party for him to join. But I only have a pitiful 3 party member slots besides the main character. Why is the party size 4? That is insanely small. Why can't I have 5 or 6 characters? And then none of these characters seem particularly cool or appealing to me. Which BG3 party members are generally regarded as the best story wise? I wonder if I should install that mod that just plays all party member cutscenes regardless of whether or not they are in your party.

Vanilla bg3... ugh.

I am using the generally recommended mods I have seen pop up here.

• NoAlphabets
• RealmsRestored 80% crowds
• RR DeGirlboss
• Dignify
• Wylls of Baldurs Gate (I picked the black version, making him look like a better more handsome version of the character)
• Really Shadowheart
• Shadowheart Tweaked
• BetterRomance (not sure I want to even engage with this system in this game tbh)
• Narrator Mortanius
• Immersive Loading Screens

It was weird that I had to first start a game and create a character, and then save during the first inengine cutscene and exit the game and then install the mods. It is nice that you can save and load during cutscenes like in an emulator.

viewtopic.php?t=2647-hq-s-recommended-mods

Have a read of this one. You are missing some essential QoL mods like camera unlock, and WASD , loregamer listed them well.

[rusty_shackleford]

guys is it gay to change wyll to a white woman and romance her?

[rusty_shackleford]

@orinEsque @loregamer how come there's no wabbajacker for bear's gay 3?

[Mordred]

guys is it gay to change wyll to a white woman and romance her?

hmm

depends

if you are attracted to wyll and want to replace him with a woman to degay it i would say it still is gay
if you found a mod and thought the chick is hot and chose to sacrifice the token negro and the mod also adjust voice and dialoque so everything makes it a female character then i would say it is not gay.

[Oyster Sauce]

guys is it gay to change wyll to a white woman and romance her?

hmm

depends

if you are attracted to wyll and want to replace him with a woman to degay it i would say it still is gay
if you found a mod and thought the chick is hot and chose to sacrifice the token negro and the mod also adjust voice and dialoque so everything makes it a female character then i would say it is not gay.

Would you turn Rusty into a girl and **** him?

[Mordred]

ehm...

no

[rusty_shackleford]

ehm...

no

What if I looked like this tho

[Acrux]

It's gay, but only because any video game romance is inherently gay.

[Mordred]

ehm...

no

What if I looked like this tho

still no sorry

[rusty_shackleford]

ehm...

no

What if I looked like this tho

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31nwyw

[Mordred]

so you are an autosexual? 🏳

[Cipher]

Which BG3 party members are generally regarded as the best story wise? I wonder if I should install that mod that just plays all party member cutscenes regardless of whether or not they are in your party.

They are all really bad.

Lae'zel shows a change after you earn enough friendship points with her and while still brutally honest and abrasive, is nevertheless loyal to you. I hated her sassy attitude in the beginning but ended up really liking her by the end. Specially because she is the only one of the party members that doesn't have a secret that she is hiding from you. She is just an earnest githyanki warrior trying to remove the tadpole to stay alive as per the knowledge she has due to her upbringing. I wouldn't call her "great" but certainly was the best of the bunch who all keep trying to "one up" each other with their snowflake main character syndrome.

Gale is alright, if a little bit pretentious. If you use the mod that makes him straight (which everyone should) then he shouldn't be a degenerate houndog salivating for your hide and should just be a nice wizard pal.

Wyll is alright if you use the Wyll's of Toril mod to make him a Baldurian instead of a ******. He is kind of a poser but at least he is genuinely heroic in the sense that he tries to do the right thing unlike the other edgelords in your party.

Shadowheart is an emo goth all the way to the very end until you finish her personal quest, then she mellows out but its not really worth all the hassle. She is not bloodthirsty like Astarion so if you are playing a heroic character you can bring her along without having to suffer her nagging too much. Just never push her on her secrets and let her keep the facade and she won't dislike you/***** too much.

Karlach is a straight up redditor. Talks like one too. She has a good melee class, but so does Lae'zel and Lae'zel is considerably less insufferable. Karlach's one good trait is that she is also heroic so she won't be bitching if you are not an evil murder hobo. That's it. It's her only redeeming feature. If you can tolerate the word choices she uses, are playing a heroic character and are looking for another melee character besides Lae'zel, then I guess she is alright.

Astarion is a ****** and as a vampire that tried to feast on my character, he got stake in the heart just like all filthy bloodsuckers deserve, as Lathander intended. From what I've read he is really evil, emo and pretentious. Some find his humor hilarious but I just don't fraternize with evil monsters.

Halsin is just as much of a horndog as Gale, if not more so. Make sure to get that mod or else he is insurable. With the mod, he is somewhat boring with nothing really interesting to add or say. Once you learn that he was only added as a companion due to crazy fujoshi fans wanted him to bear rape them, it all makes sense. I guess he is inoffensive enough.

Jaheira is just as bossy and naggy as she was in BG 1 and 2. I don't particularly care for her that much. I am one of those few that actually liked Khalid and was sad to see him so unceremoniously disposed in BG2.

Minsc is a caricature of the original and Matt Merzer does a parody impression of Jim Cummings. If original Minsc was seasons 1 to 9 Homer Simpson, then BG3 Minsc is late season Homer Simpson, completely flanderized without all the nuance his character once had.

I am being extremely charitable here, I still stand by my statement that they are all really bad but if you decide to engage with the game's companions on the game's terms, then those three, in that order and with those mods, are decent enough. Also, there's a way to have a party of 6 like in the original BG games but it really destroys the difficulty curve, even playing on Tactician.

In terms of "story" content:

► Show Spoiler

Shadowheart has the Macguffin, so much so that she WILL join your camp at some point, no matter what you do. I think she then can die after Act 1 but I don't remember. Her story is not really tied to the Macguffin so I am not sure why the game is so heavy hand it about it. She has some story presence at the end of Act 2 when you go to Shar's temple but that's pretty much it.

Lae'zel has a LOT of dialogue when you visit the githyanki creche, if you let her join your camp, make sure to bring her when you go there. She is also tied to a super important end game character. I think Larian really wanted us to play as her, as the githyanki and mindflayers are the plot they really wanted to tell.

Wyll has a lot of dialogue when you reach Baldur's Gate but outside of his personal quest that is related to his father, who was basically the regent of BG, there's not much to his character in terms of story content.

Gale has a bomb in his chest and can be used at 2 points during the story to end the game in a non-standard game over sort of ending. Outside of that I don't really think he has much of a presence in the plot.

Astarion, was dead when I went to meet Cazador, the man that turned him vampire. I assume he has a role in that part of the story but he died early in Act 1 so... who knows. Not really that important, from the looks of it.

Karlach has a strong tie to one of the 3 main bad guys but is just a few lines of background context and an overly dramatic rant/temper tantrum when you kill him in Act 3. I don't think is really worth it to bring her along.

Halsin has a lot of lines in Act 2 related to the source of the darkness but that's pretty much it.

Jaheira has somewhat a good amount of content in BG but nothing really too big in relation to the plot. Just, she knows the movers and shakers and they know her, as the leader of the Harpers. I think it makes sense to bring her along during Act 3 when you reach Baldur's Gate but not critical the actual plot. The same is true for Minsc to a much, much diminished capacity.

All in all, I don't really think any character is crucial to the plot so bring whoever you like best or whoever has the class features that better suit your party composition.

[rusty_shackleford]

Shadowheart is an emo goth all the way to the very end [...] not really worth all the hassle

[Bhaalspawn Jr]

guys is it gay to change wyll to a white woman and romance her?

It's gay. Even if Wyll is a woman now, you're going to think "this is really Wyll though" while making out. That's gay asf.

[Bhaalspawn Jr]

The character creator was nowhere near as robust as I thought it would be. Can't change the body shape or height of your character, limited hairstyles, no facial muscle sliders, etc. It is also strange that the selection of male voices is very narrow. They all sound rather young and sedate. Now more energetic voices or deeper voices or older voices.

Shadowheart sounds cute. Just looking at screenshots before I played, I didn't see the appeal and what all the fuss was about with her.

I am surprised there was no option to talk to the winged demon commander during battle like in Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, Sakura Wars, etc. I thought it would have been possible to ally with him/play him against the evil tentacles, and then turn against him.

So far I am not seeing the wow factor.

Meeting Gale, the mo-cap animations are neat.

It is odd how movie like the cutscenes are, but you click a dialogue option and your character doesn't speak them.

I went into the chapel dungeon, and the way the combats play out just feels counterintuitive. It seems to be going for that realistic sim thing, so for the bandits on the top and then for the skeletons below, I tried setting up behind a chokepoint like a door way with my three melees (my fighter main character, La'zel, and Shadowheart) with Gale behind them to cast the thunder magic (which thankfully doesn't hit my guys, the wording made it sound like it would hit "everyone"). But then I am waiting for enemies to come through my chokepoint and get meleed, but instead they instead stop at mid range and throw rocks or grenades in rather than coming in, so now I have to go out the door to melee them. So I should have just rushed them in the first place.




It is odd how spears do not seem to give you more melee range.

It is jarring how there are such movie like cutscenes when talking to characters, but then for combat your camera is looking down at little characters and they hit like weak noodles and the combat feels so flaccid. Even when trying to zoom in as close as possible, it feels bad. They really should have done closeup shots of the action.

The music has been forgettable.

I found some medium sized heavy locked chests but ran out of lockpicks, but apparently I can put them into Le'zel's inventory until I get some more picks and she can run around unencumbered? What?

I have just met Astarion, and now he's telling me to kick someone out of the party for him to join. But I only have a pitiful 3 party member slots besides the main character. Why is the party size 4? That is insanely small. Why can't I have 5 or 6 characters? And then none of these characters seem particularly cool or appealing to me. Which BG3 party members are generally regarded as the best story wise? I wonder if I should install that mod that just plays all party member cutscenes regardless of whether or not they are in your party.

The character you kick out just goes to your camp, you can get them whenever.

I liked all of the companions except for Karlach. Any of them work for the story. Although Shadowheart seems more tied to the plot than the others at the start because of the quest item that she carries.

The music's dope, but to each their own.

[loregamer]

@orinEsque @loregamer how come there's no wabbajacker for bear's gay 3?

There are, or do you mean an HQ version?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Act 1 up to goblin chieftain at the windmill

► Show Spoiler

I installed the WASD, camera tweaks, and hide UI mods. They really do make the game more palatable, though only outside of combat. During combat it goes back to the far away top down view. This 3rd person view (along with the feel of the movement and the art direction) does make the game feel more like a Bioware game, which is not a good thing IMO.

Another thing is that this view makes the world feel highly unnaturally squished, even moreso than it already was when I was in the vanilla top down view and walked 20 seconds away from the crash to the chapel and encountered the mercenaries talking as if it was a mile or two away. Now I have walked 30 seconds North of the crash and came across the druid's grove, and the gate defenders act as if there isn't an alien spaceship crashed a 30 second walk in front of their gate.

I have entered the long rest overnighter camp. It is strange how it is disconnected from where I was at in the world (magnified by how squished the world is, so it would be physically impossible for this camp to take place anywhere in between the spaceship and the grove). It is also bizzare how we seem to have just acquired a lot of tents and fancy spare clothes out of nowhere. We don't have any backpacks or wagon with us like how Noctis carried his camping equipment in the car. We certainly weren't abducted with dufflebags of fancy clothes or tents, or came across any merchants selling such stuff along the way.






Wait a minute, didn't my spaceship just crash a couple hours ago today? (Well it's hard to tell how much time is supposed to have passed when it is only nighttime in the optional, vague long rest camp scenes, but always day time during the rest of the story). But this guy is training kids as if he is trusted and has been with them for at least a few days.





I like how the character noted that I said one thing and then just said another as if I am two-faced or a liar.








I feel that some of these conversations would be more suspenseful if they had timed dialogue choices like in Sakura Wars, so you feel the pressure to pick something now rather than to leisurely consider all of your options.

So far the game seems to be following the same structure in Mass Effect where the party members mostly do not show up in your average plot cutscene. They just stand there in the background. The party members appear in their own disconnected catching-up convos. I haven't seen anyone talk to each other after a character is initially introduced. Very weird WRPGisms. Trails in the Sky lets you pick and choose which party members to leave behind at base, and the optional party members have had more screentime and dialogue in the main plot than these guys.


We've only known each other for a couple hours, but you're acting as if we've been on a several days long journey together. We also just killed all of those random guys we found in the chapel and took their stuff. Have you nothing to say about that?






I am probably going to swap out Astarion for Wyll. Astarion is too weird, while Wyll seems like a competent heroic man I can count on.

There has been very little wildlife on my travels. Not even birds in trees.

It is frustrating that there doesn't seem to be a way to talk to or knock out characters during combat and then talk to them after. Once combat begins, the only way to deal with them is to kill them. This guy entrusted me with his people and I am trying not to get them killed. I wound having to reload and tell them to go away.








There is no option to bury him?




It is very odd that there is a potion of beast talking right next to the Owlbear. I am sure this is meant to be an easy introduction to the mechanic but it is quite conspicuous.

I tried going back to the grove to find the snake to talk to it, but I couldn't find it.

I guess the reason why there are hardly any animals in the game is because they didn't want to procgen conversation cutscenes and record voices for each one.

I saw the bodies on the bridges and decided to sneak into town along up the cliffs and then onto the roofs. I spotted a goblin and tried to use a spell to knock him off the roof, but then I missed and he turned around and got into a dialogue with me as if I didn't just send a bolt of magic flying past his head. Also, my guys who are on rooftops across the street appeared in the cutscene on this rooftop. What?










Then I persuaded him to let me stay there and the convo ended and the NPCs were not hostile. Then I entered turn based combat again and threw them off the roof and killed the archer below. Then a guard walked past the plaza and didn't notice the dead bodies of his companions. What?




I just entered turn based mode, one shotted this guard, and then returned to real time?

Haven't the ogres heard their goblins dying? Haven't they heard the fireballs and Wyll's gunshot magciks being fired off?

I barely won on my first attempt against the Ogres, but then had to redo it. I managed to kill the boss and get the other two to half HP, but one of them smashed the platform Gale was standing on and he fell into a fire AoE and died. Two of the ogres were killed on top of Gale's body and the fire AoE. The last guy charged up the steps but we knocked him off and killed him. I got a humorous scene talking to Gale's projection, though. Unfortunately, when I went went to go revive Gale, I walked into the fire AoE and died in the pile too. Gale and the MC were were buried underneath the other two ogres which made targeting them to shove or throw their bodies out of the fire AoE impossible, and every time I used a resurrect scroll by clicking on their UI portraits, they would immediately die. I got a humorous scene talking to Gale's projection, though.








The dead body pileup happened where that ogre is in the bottom right.








So I wound up having to redo the fight. This time nobody died, but the ogres never charged up the steps and instead just ran around in circles. Huh.

I then took 2x short rests, but I was out of spell charges for heals. I then attempted raiding the windmill courtyard several times, setting up on rooftops and baiting them towards us while we pelted them with crossbow bolts and fireballs. But there were just too many ranged and they had a grenade. Lastly I tried a bumrush strategy and two shotted the barbarian chieftain, which surprisingly caused the others to run. I killed three as they were running away. Then I took a long rest.






I then immediately got pulled into a cutscene by a Tiefling from the Grove, talking about how I am a hero and what "I had done". Huh? I haven't done any sidequests for the Grove, and I haven't even gone back to the Grove to report that I killed a chieftain. I have also heard noises from a barn that I need to check out first before heading back. Anyway, I have never heard of this party member mentioned in online discussions before, so I presume she is a temporary guest party member.

The game is just kinda weird.

[Oyster Sauce]

Did you get a mod that makes Wyll blacker?

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Did you get a mod that makes Wyll blacker?

I am using Wylls of Toril but chose the black one, since it was close to how the creators intended the character but more handsome.

[Trickster]

Why are you playing as gay lizard men?

[Trickster]

it was close to how the creators intended the character but more handsome.

That's a very bad reason. One that implies there is something inherently thoughtful or significant about his race, rather than it simply being about checking a box on a formal identity politics diversity checklist. I would understand if you had no other choice, but to voluntarily agree to such propaganda in your game is...well, to each his own, I suppose

[rusty_shackleford]

It is frustrating that there doesn't seem to be a way to talk to or knock out characters during combat and then talk to them after. Once combat begins, the only way to deal with them is to kill them. This guy entrusted me with his people and I am trying not to get them killed. I wound having to reload and tell them to go away.

You can knock out characters during combat, FYI. There's a toggle somewhere to deal non-lethal damage, and most of the quests account for this. Probably more than when I played at release.