Equipment durability is necessary for immersion

[jdcp]

Agreed, is there someone who really disagrees with this?

[jdcp]

filled it with sand

AKs don't work like that lol

[rusty_shackleford]

People who dislike equipment durability in shock 2 are why we can't have nice things

[Norfleet]

AKs don't work like that lol

They totally do, you just give it a good shake and it works again.

[J1M]

Does more equipment durability equal more immersive?

Therefore, the most immersive game ever is Breath of the Wild?

[Norfleet]

Does more equipment durability equal more immersive?

Therefore, the most immersive game ever is Breath of the Wild?

The most immersive game is 688 Attack Sub. First, there's nothing but immersion, because you're in a submarine. Second, there is equipment durability and your submarine can break when you get shot. Therefore, 688 is the most immersive game.

[rusty_shackleford]

Does more equipment durability equal more immersive?

Therefore, the most immersive game ever is Breath of the Wild?

Should aim for just the right amount of durability!
And no, BotW is from what I know, quite awful in this regard.

Additionally, equipment shouldn't just go from "functional" to "broken", but instead degrade naturally. If you want to really get the immershun, model degradation of multiple parts and have them degrade at different rates.

[Oyster Sauce]

I've long dreamt of a mod for Mount & Blade where you drop your weapon if you smack a tree or something on horseback

[maidenhaver]

Does more equipment durability equal more immersive?

Therefore, the most immersive game ever is Breath of the Wild?

Should aim for just the right amount of durability!
And no, BotW is from what I know, quite awful in this regard.

Additionally, equipment shouldn't just go from "functional" to "broken", but instead degrade naturally. If you want to really get the immershun, model degradation of multiple parts and have them degrade at different rates.

Materials should matter more. A steel sword should be able to chop through bronze swords.

[Norfleet]

Materials should matter more. A steel sword should be able to chop through bronze swords.

They don't. The ability of a steel sword to chop through something is still ultimately limited by the strength of your arm, and a human arm just doesn't provide enough force to cleanly chop through an entire bronze sword reliably: Bronze, while softer, is not brittle and will not chop through. You WILL **** it up pretty good, though, putting a sizable gouge in it or making it utterly bent.

[rusty_shackleford]

Materials should matter more. A steel sword should be able to chop through bronze swords.

They don't. The ability of a steel sword to chop through something is still ultimately limited by the strength of your arm, and a human arm just doesn't provide enough force to cleanly chop through an entire bronze sword reliably: Bronze, while softer, is not brittle and will not chop through. You WILL **** it up pretty good, though, putting a sizable gouge in it or making it utterly bent.

[jdcp]

And no, BotW is from what I know, quite awful in this regard.

Yes, you can't fix them and they're literally made out of wet paper, they break like in 10 hits. It's ridiculous. I hated every second of that game.

And what's worse... THE MASTER SWORD CAN BREAK

WHAT THE ****???????

[rusty_shackleford]

And no, BotW is from what I know, quite awful in this regard.

Yes, you can't fix them and they're literally made out of wet paper, they break like in 10 hits. It's ridiculous. I hated every second of that game.

And what's worse... THE MASTER SWORD CAN BREAK

WHAT THE ****???????

Right, I think the concept of going straight from "it's fine!" to "broked!" is silly, you should be able to get by fine with damaged equipment but feel the need to get it repaired when you can

[jdcp]

Right, I think the concept of going straight from "it's fine!" to "broked!" is silly, you should be able to get by fine with damaged equipment but feel the need to get it repaired when you can

It's like consumism, it gets broken? No big deal, buy another.

******* sick.

[Norfleet]

Materials should matter more. A steel sword should be able to chop through bronze swords.

They don't. The ability of a steel sword to chop through something is still ultimately limited by the strength of your arm, and a human arm just doesn't provide enough force to cleanly chop through an entire bronze sword reliably: Bronze, while softer, is not brittle and will not chop through. You WILL **** it up pretty good, though, putting a sizable gouge in it or making it utterly bent.

See? It didn't chop through, but it was totally ******.

[rusty_shackleford]

They don't. The ability of a steel sword to chop through something is still ultimately limited by the strength of your arm, and a human arm just doesn't provide enough force to cleanly chop through an entire bronze sword reliably: Bronze, while softer, is not brittle and will not chop through. You WILL **** it up pretty good, though, putting a sizable gouge in it or making it utterly bent.

See? It didn't chop through, but it was totally ******.

it's not bronze

[jdcp]

See? It didn't chop through, but it was totally ******.

If you cast a fortify strength spell before dealing the blow it will break it.

Believe me.

Besides, you're not taking into account that these are 2 perfectly maintained weapons (or so I pressume)

In the scenario we have here, the durability of the bronze sword (again pressumably low) would break.

Imagine it, you're in the middle of the battle, you have your sword in and hand a dagger in the waist, you're charging into battle but that old beaten sword of yours completely shatters leaving you with nothing but an useless hilt... yet there's still hope! You pull that dagger out and fight as well as you can.

Durability is great if you know how to implement it, sadly, it rarely is.

[Norfleet]

Durability is great if you know how to implement it, sadly, it rarely is.

The thing is that "durability" is itself a very vague term. Durability vs. WHAT, exactly? Bronze, for instance, generally has lower tensile strength and hardness than steel, but superior corrosion resistance, especially given that fantasy environments do not really have access to modern chromium stainless steel alloys. Under what circumstances is the "durability" being lost? If durability is being damaged, by, say, a rust monster, your steel sword turns into a pile of dust while the bronze sword is largely unaffected, simply developing a patina. When the object sustains "damage", what sort of damage has it sustained? A thing which which is bent and a thing which shatters into pieces have both sustained "damage" that renders them inoperable, but one is obviously easier to repair than the other. If your steel sword shatters because of its hardness, while your bronze sword gets bent into a C-shape, one of these can be fixed simply by applying some boot, the other cannot, but in the moment, both are largely unusable.

[jdcp]

especially given that fantasy environments do not really have access to modern chromium stainless steel alloys

They got access to mithril, though.

I don't wanna sound like a ****, but this is fantasy, we can wish to have it as grounded as we want and that's alright, but that's why I said the "fortify strength" ********, this is fantasy, we can do whatever we want, but give us the MEANS to do so.

Idgaf is copper or iron break faster, I wanna see them break, and I want one to break faster.

But you're right, very right indeed. It's just that it doesn't really matter, not for the type of game I'm thinking of. Still, I'm sure there is a middle ground, and that's the best one to proceed.

When the object sustains "damage", what sort of damage has it sustained? A thing which which is bent and a thing which shatters into pieces have both sustained "damage" that renders them inoperable, but one is obviously easier to repair than the other. If your steel sword shatters because of its hardness, while your bronze sword gets bent into a C-shape, one of these can be fixed simply by applying some boot, the other cannot, but in the moment, both are largely unusable.

Yes! And this is something that must be adressed too, different conditions, new solutions.

Under what circumstances is the "durability" being lost? If durability is being damaged, by, say, a rust monster, your steel sword turns into a pile of dust while the bronze sword is largely unaffected, simply developing a patina

This would be the coolest ******* game ever. I like your ingenuity!

[Norfleet]

They got access to mithril, though.

Based on the properties of mithril, it's basically just the fantasy way to say "titanium". Adamantium is tungsten.

This would be the coolest ******* game ever. I like your ingenuity!

Yeah, but now we're moving to a very fancy level of equipment damage and destruction that moves far beyond "Durability", and well into specific forms of damage. We could apply this same logic to individual characters and creatures, and now we have the complex interaction of sharp metal objects being shoved into various organs.

[jdcp]

Based on the properties of mithril, it's basically just the fantasy way to say "titanium". Adamantium is tungsten.

I love the way you can find a response to every stupid **** I say, sincerely, love you.

Still, the reason I mention mithril it's because we can invent any sort of material to fill whatever wouldn't logically exist in the archetypal fantasy world, tons of excuses out there to justify whatever we could come up with. Not because literally of itself, honestly the usage of mithril outside LOTR has always been to me very... lackluster.

Yeah, but now we're moving to a very fancy level of equipment damage and destruction that moves far beyond "Durability", and well into specific forms of damage. We could apply this same logic to individual characters and creatures, and now we have the complex interaction of sharp metal objects being shoved into various organs.

Exactly! Keep that mind going, at this pace, we'll have the blueprints for the perfect roleplaying experience in no time.

Once that's done, we'll just need a dev...

[maidenhaver]

Materials should matter more. A steel sword should be able to chop through bronze swords.

They don't. The ability of a steel sword to chop through something is still ultimately limited by the strength of your arm, and a human arm just doesn't provide enough force to cleanly chop through an entire bronze sword reliably: Bronze, while softer, is not brittle and will not chop through. You WILL **** it up pretty good, though, putting a sizable gouge in it or making it utterly bent.

Ok, and I'm not the first person to strike his puny bronze sword, and I cleave right through. This is a persistent world.