Character Intelligence Versus Player Intelligence

[rusty_shackleford]

I think the opposite scenario is way more problematic: experienced player is the party low int barbarian yet he keeps coming up with the best plans. Telling a player "no, you can't do it because your character doesn't know that" tends to result in arguing.

Yea, but anyone who refuses to understand why this would break the game should leave.
My character uses my knowledge of how to create potassium nitrate from waste to make gunpowder.

Unless you want the gameworld to really break, this would lead to equally absurd scenarios like having a time traveler come kill him prior to being able to share his invention. Perhaps not so bad depending on how you view your game.

[DemoGraph]

My character uses my knowledge of how to create potassium nitrate from waste to make gunpowder.

Dump int means he blows himself up and everyone thinks that it's a divine intervention for heresy.

[gatorized]

I haven't framed it as anything in particular.
In this particular case, he is "citing stats as a way to avoid a mistake", to use the words directly from your own post.
The mistake he made, like everything a player does in a game, was a decision.
He's using his stats as the basis to change that decision.
So his decision is being determined by his stats.
It doesn't matter what I think of his motivation for doing this, I'm not arguing that his motivation is good or bad.
I didn't say anything about what the DM is doing, and it isn't relevant to anything I've said in any of my posts.
I don't care if this happens again, and I didn't say that it will. It's coming up now. I'm talking about this specific situation, and not any other situation that hasn't been mentioned in any of the posts. If there's some other situation you want to talk about, feel free to describe it.

RPGHQ unlocked a new tier of autism! Rusty must be shelling out in the pay-to-win store.

Which part do you disagree with?

[gatorized]

We found the one person who deliberately chooses Lawful Neutral at every campaign.

Which part do you disagree with?

[Xenich]

If the character's decisions are determined by the character's statistics, what is the purpose of the player being present? You can replace him with a dice simulator.

Hmm... seems like a woman or ***** discussion.

[gatorized]

If the character's decisions are determined by the character's statistics, what is the purpose of the player being present? You can replace him with a dice simulator.

Hmm... seems like a woman or ***** discussion.

Glad that you agree there's no point in the player being present if his decisions have no impact.

[Xenich]

If the character's decisions are determined by the character's statistics, what is the purpose of the player being present? You can replace him with a dice simulator.

Hmm... seems like a woman or ***** discussion.

Glad that you agree there's no point in the player being present if his decisions have no impact.

No, simply that you are stupid.

Honestly, I have seen your arguments and you are out of your depth. Usually I am willing to entertain various thoughts, questions, and theories on things, but you... you are ********, beyond logical means.

To even attempt to argue your point, you have to have a disconnect from basic logical thinking.

You are essentially arguing why a game system which is designed around the constraints of a "role" (using statistical means) disallows a player acting outside of that role.

The question answers itself, but like a stupid woman or ***** (who abhors rules or constraints) you question what is staring you right in the face.

You play a role... a role has specifics that define that role. If you are an ogre who is stupid, you will act within that role, because those are the constraints. You can make decisions "within" those constraints, but are contained to them, but because you are too ******* stupid to understand this, you think your "player knowledge" should some how disregard the very fact of the role you play, there by completely invalidating the concept of a "role" in the first place.

The fact that I even have to explain this to you is beyond measure, akin to trying to explain to a ***** that they are a male, and no amount of cutting off their ******* **** and pining over other men to **** them calling them sally will change the fact they are a stupid ****** who likes to dismember themselves.

You are a stupid person, you would understand this if you took even a moment to consider what is spewed out of that ******** brain you have, but you don't... you vomit out garbage and act as if everyone should clap like you are a child who just went poopie.

You are a ******* idiot.

[A Chinese opium den]

I haven't framed it as anything in particular.
In this particular case, he is "citing stats as a way to avoid a mistake", to use the words directly from your own post.
The mistake he made, like everything a player does in a game, was a decision.
He's using his stats as the basis to change that decision.
So his decision is being determined by his stats.
It doesn't matter what I think of his motivation for doing this, I'm not arguing that his motivation is good or bad.
I didn't say anything about what the DM is doing, and it isn't relevant to anything I've said in any of my posts.
I don't care if this happens again, and I didn't say that it will. It's coming up now. I'm talking about this specific situation, and not any other situation that hasn't been mentioned in any of the posts. If there's some other situation you want to talk about, feel free to describe it.

Don't use stats, just tell the dm what you would do in real life.