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Epic hemorrhaging money; cutting Fortnite dosh from rest of company?

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https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/ ... e-industry
He also shed some light on the business decisions that led to the company making unexpectedly significant business shifts in the last week. Apparently Epic Games began running into "financial problems" about 10 weeks ago, meaning that the company was facing some sort of financial downturn from late July through September.
Evidently, all of Epic Games' business had been "heavily funded by Fortnite" in the last six years, and different parts of the company became "disconnected" from their revenue streams. It adds some context to previous comments made by Sweeney about the impact of declined Fortnite revenue—if the company's signature game had started to not turn a profit, other parts of Epic Games may not have easily been able to make up for declining revenue.
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Hmm...

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I don't understand this since the people funding esg literally print the money. Also I'm not seeing any less woke **** in advertising or media.
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GhostCow wrote: October 5th, 2023, 21:44
I don't understand this since the people funding esg literally print the money. Also I'm not seeing any less woke **** in advertising or media.
Likely just a PR stunt. Too many people became aware of ESG so they're shutting it down. You can expect them to relaunch it under a different moniker.

And you're not going to see any less woke ****, because the people that greenlight and push for woke **** are not in it for the money.
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I enjoyed the free games but now they only give away shovelware
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Gabe N keeps winning.
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GhostCow wrote: October 5th, 2023, 21:44
I don't understand this since the people funding esg literally print the money. Also I'm not seeing any less woke **** in advertising or media.
The term is burned. They will present you with something new in due time, don't worry. Hegel must live!
gerey wrote: October 5th, 2023, 22:30
And you're not going to see any less woke ****, because the people that greenlight and push for woke **** are not in it for the money.
Oh, they are in it for the money. They just see this charade as an investment opportunity and and opportunity to create new sources of profit. Naturally you first have to invest money in order to generate a ROI.
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Steamchads are finally winning the DRM war, I glad I never installed that ****, even for GTAV
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Good.
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Fortnite was lightning in a bottle, once that game finally dies Epic has nothing left. Even reviving Unreal Tournament wouldn't be enough in the eyes of their Chinese owners.
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Please don't mention both Fortnite and UT in the same post. It gives me PTSD flashbacks to when the nearly complete UT remake got cancelled so they could put everyone on the far more profitable Fortnite.
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I have never played an Unreal game. :king:
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rusty_shackleford wrote: October 11th, 2023, 04:25
I have never played an Unreal game. :king:
How about a REAL one?
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As a steam supremacist master race man I am glad my boycott killed them. Sucks every ****** developer is using UE now so they will be kept alive by that.
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I thought they were earning a lot of $ from Unreal Engine, but the royalty appears to be only 5% for earnings above $1m. I always thought it was in the 15-20% range, and releases on epic stores were free, but turns out I was wrong. Huh. Weird to see them boxed into a corner with Fortnite of all things. In hindsight, Epic stores was a stupid idea when Steam had a 15 year first-mover advantage under its belt, unless it did something novel like providing DRM free games, having a lot of big ips be released only there, make porting of your steam profile there easy or reduce the costs of epic store for the devs into the low single digits.
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Element wrote: October 14th, 2023, 10:56
I thought they were earning a lot of $ from Unreal Engine, but the royalty appears to be only 5% for earnings above $1m. I always thought it was in the 15-20% range, and releases on epic stores were free, but turns out I was wrong. Huh. Weird to see them boxed into a corner with Fortnite of all things. In hindsight, Epic stores was a stupid idea when Steam had a 15 year first-mover advantage under its belt, unless it did something novel like providing DRM free games, having a lot of big ips be released only there, make porting of your steam profile there easy or reduce the costs of epic store for the devs into the low single digits.
Honestly it's worse than that.

They positioned themselves as "Hey, Steam is too greedy, our Epic Store gives creators bigger margins. Come support us!" and then pulled the Epic exclusive ********.

Some prominent kickstarter games switched from Steam to Epic and as such the promised Steam versions didn't get made because "exclusivity agreement lol". I think one of the devs got sued because he made the bad choice to definitively promise a Steam version instead of using vague corporate speak.

This entire debacle was a lot of bad PR for Epic. Then there is the fact that Fortnite, for all its popularity and money spinning antics, dominated their public perception too much.
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Element wrote: October 14th, 2023, 10:56
Steam had a 15 year first-mover advantage under its belt
Not only that, but from an end-user perspective Steam is the superior platform - bigger game library, better client, mods, walkthroughs/guides, multiplayer integration, utility options etc. Meanwhile the Epic Launcher was clunky, barebones and missing nearly all the extras Steam had on offer.

Epic tried to offset this by giving out free games, but other than a few exceptions, most were trash, and even the ones that people actually wanted, the vast majority of people never installed.

Now, some can argue that it's not fair to compare a very mature platform like Steam, that had more than a decade to work through all the teething issues, to the new kid on the block, but ultimately the Epic Launcher is not competing with Steam from 15 years ago, but with the Steam of today. There's also the fact that Epic were apparently incredibly sluggish in rolling out updates and upgrades to their launcher, which just compounded the issue.

My guess is that they were banking on the Fortnite kids becoming Epic Store costumers, since their favorite game was on there, plus all the free stuff adding up to a "substantial" library, but failed to realize that Fortnite kids only really play Fortnite.

Ultimately, Valve won by doing absolutely nothing because Epic was never a threat to them. GOG at least has old classics and DRM-free releases, the Epic store has trash nobody wants, that they paid the developers to release on their platform.
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FPYockey wrote: October 11th, 2023, 02:54
Steamchads are finally winning the DRM war
Steam itself is a DRM though
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junior wrote: October 14th, 2023, 14:04
FPYockey wrote: October 11th, 2023, 02:54
Steamchads are finally winning the DRM war
Steam itself is a DRM though
This is what had me scratching my head about which side Steam was winning the war for.
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Steam is winning the war for linuxchads.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: October 14th, 2023, 19:19
Steam is winning the war for linuxchads.
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junior wrote: October 14th, 2023, 14:04
FPYockey wrote: October 11th, 2023, 02:54
Steamchads are finally winning the DRM war
Steam itself is a DRM though
Norfleet wrote: October 14th, 2023, 19:17
junior wrote: October 14th, 2023, 14:04
FPYockey wrote: October 11th, 2023, 02:54
Steamchads are finally winning the DRM war
Steam itself is a DRM though
This is what had me scratching my head about which side Steam was winning the war for.
War between DRMs, steam is the best one.