Singular "They" in modern game writing

[Kalarion]

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Write a letter of complaint to those 14th century grammar scholars then, I'm sure they'll be pleased to know they built the language wrong.

(I sometimes forget that being on the correct side of the gender language debate doesn't protect you from having fatal brain damage. Thank you for helpfully illustrating that fact.)

You aggressive retardation is so adorable sometimes.

[Manny V]

I have 'They fatigue'

[SoLong]

I ran into an instance of this where someone (almost certainly from reddit) referred to a dragon as "they".

A dragon is an it you ******* ******!

Only if the dragons being talked about are feral animals. If they're sentient like for example in DnD, you'd use he or she depending on whether the dragon is male or female.

[SoLong]

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Write a letter of complaint to those 14th century grammar scholars then, I'm sure they'll be pleased to know they built the language wrong.

(I sometimes forget that being on the correct side of the gender language debate doesn't protect you from having fatal brain damage. Thank you for helpfully illustrating that fact.)

You aggressive retardation is so adorable sometimes.

Oh look, someone else whose only exposure to the history of English is eating the pages of his 5th grade history book.

By all means, continue whining incessantly into the void. I'm sure people will overturn roughly half a dozen centuries of language use just to please you, personally. But don't worry, that totally doesn't mean your position is incredibly similar to the people demanding the same be done for their language distortions.

[rusty_shackleford]

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Write a letter of complaint to those 14th century grammar scholars then, I'm sure they'll be pleased to know they built the language wrong.

(I sometimes forget that being on the correct side of the gender language debate doesn't protect you from having fatal brain damage. Thank you for helpfully illustrating that fact.)

You aggressive retardation is so adorable sometimes.

Oh look, someone else whose only exposure to the history of English is eating the pages of his 5th grade history book.

By all means, continue whining incessantly into the void. I'm sure people will overturn roughly half a dozen centuries of language use just to please you, personally. But don't worry, that totally doesn't mean your position is incredibly similar to the people demanding the same be done for their language distortions.

You being incorrect was already covered:

I was using it for people of unknown gender in the 90s.

The singular indefinite they was used for a person of unknown gender for a very long time. Consider:
"Someone left their wallet."
If you knew that it was Whiteshark's wallet, you'd say: "WhiteShark left his wallet."
The modern nu-singular they is a definite they: "WhiteShark left their wallet."

The "akshually, singular they has always been used!" crowd is purposely conflating these two.


If you're having trouble understanding the difference, know that this is something that tripped up a bunch of style guides, and not even for pozzed reasons — chicago styleguide went back and suggested against using it in the 'modern' way after first recommending to do so.
https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qa ... q0018.html

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The Builder, 1927, Volume 4

The person who lost their keys is specific, but not definite.
The reason you'd see "he/him" used in, for example, the AD&D PHB was because the reader is specific and definite. This is despite the author not knowing who the reader is, exactly. It is specific to the reader's context.

It's not the same linguistic construct.

[Kalarion]

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Oh look, someone else whose only exposure to the history of English is eating the pages of his 5th grade history book.

By all means, continue whining incessantly into the void. I'm sure people will overturn roughly half a dozen centuries of language use just to please you, personally. But don't worry, that totally doesn't mean your position is incredibly similar to the people demanding the same be done for their language distortions.

So cute!

[J1M]

Sometimes this is out of convinence for the dev when the player can create the character to play. In old games there used to be an "IF female=1" or "IF male=1 (normal version) ELSE (girl version)" case for every instance inside dialogue that referred to the main character, and after that the convo proceeded. This also meant that if there was a voiceover the actor had to record another take. Using singular they is stupid but takes less effort and is cheaper.

False.

Less effort and cheaper is recording voice over with "Shepard", "The Wanderer", or "Hawke" (last name).

This other thing is a political statement.

[Envuen]

Less effort and cheaper is recording voice over with "Shepard", "The Wanderer", or "Hawke" (last name).

Sure though the game isn't always about a "Bhaalspawn" / "Grey warden" / specified lastname. Him/Her sounds more natural for the dialogue then

[J1M]

Less effort and cheaper is recording voice over with "Shepard", "The Wanderer", or "Hawke" (last name).

Sure though the game isn't always about a "Bhaalspawn" / "Grey warden" / specified lastname. Him/Her sounds more natural for the dialogue then

It is always possible.

But I don't even know what your point is, since if you are recording everything twice for he/she you aren't saving money in that way.

In the long run the voices will not be recorded anymore. They will be generated in real time via AI techniques and there will be no excuse for not referring to the player as Doc Poopypants.

[swbgtoc]

Personally, I like it. It really makes it easy to decide not to waste your time with something.

I'd rather see "xhe" for that purpose because I often have to double check I didn't misunderstood the sentence and missed a subject before dropping it.

[Stack of Turtles]

I ran into an instance of this where someone (almost certainly from reddit) referred to a dragon as "they".

A dragon is an it you ******* ******!

Only if the dragons being talked about are feral animals. If they're sentient like for example in DnD, you'd use he or she depending on whether the dragon is male or female.

I use it for all non-humans and some humans.

[rusty_shackleford]

the gender neutral version of he is shemale, duh

[mercerxiv]

Sometimes this is out of convinence for the dev when the player can create the character to play. In old games there used to be an "IF female=1" or "IF male=1 (normal version) ELSE (girl version)" case for every instance inside dialogue that referred to the main character, and after that the convo proceeded. This also meant that if there was a voiceover the actor had to record another take. Using singular they is stupid but takes less effort and is cheaper.

OR you could just use the made up title aka "the dragonborn", "the chosen one", "champion" and not be cringe and not do the extra work.

[WhiteShark]

This is unreadable.

[rusty_shackleford]

This is unreadable.

I told you, blusky English is like its own dialect

[Tweed]

You can't tell me they don't know how ******* annoying this is or how miserable it makes trying to read anything.

[Ravenloft]

Far from collapsing he/she/it into "they" to make modern language even more gay and plebeian, we must restore the long-lost English thou/thee/thine. Being able to distinguish between a single "you" and multiple "yous" is a basic pre-requisite of a civilized language, get on it, grammar nazis.

[WhiteShark]

Far from collapsing he/she/it into "they" to make modern language even more gay and plebeian, we must restore the long-lost English thou/thee/thine. Being able to distinguish between a single "you" and multiple "yous" is a basic pre-requisite of a civilized language, get on it, grammar nazis.

I unironically think this, but it seems even more of a lost cause than combating singular they. Maybe I'll try anyway.

[Demonic Fate]

I don't actually mind the singular they in abstraction, but when I post on a libshit forum I'll always use "he" for unspecified or hypothetical people just to slightly annoy any woke readers.

[ArcaneLurker]

dragons aren't neuter, I'd say they're pretty masculine so I'd go with "him" — English has semantic(natural) gender

Plenty of female dragons out there, a number of animal species where the female is deadlier. All animals default to it if you don't know the gender.

► cringe

It is interesting how obvious it is that this cartoon was made by an Asian man born in America.
What's the aim of it from his perspective? Voicing insecurity over the idea that people are just playing along with delusions whilst in every other aspect of life they recognise the differences?

[Roguey]

t is interesting how obvious it is that this cartoon was made by an Asian man born in America.
What's the aim of it from his perspective? Voicing insecurity over the idea that people are just playing along with delusions whilst in every other aspect of life they recognise the differences?

Comic blogging.

Eventually had a breakdown and admitted to being a porn/sex addict. Rare androphilic (as opposed to autogynephilic) case.

[Ravenloft]

Far from collapsing he/she/it into "they" to make modern language even more gay and plebeian, we must restore the long-lost English thou/thee/thine. Being able to distinguish between a single "you" and multiple "yous" is a basic pre-requisite of a civilized language, get on it, grammar nazis.

I unironically think this, but it seems even more of a lost cause than combating singular they. Maybe I'll try anyway.

Thou shouldst do, or do not. There is not try.

[Roguey]

Modern?

What does a webpage UI element have to do with video game writing?

Turns out I was incorrect, this was something they changed in 2020 due to enby demand https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/ ... 676742321/

[rusty_shackleford]

Modern?

What does a webpage UI element have to do with video game writing?

Turns out I was incorrect, this was something they changed in 2020 due to enby demand https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/ ... 676742321/

Modern.

[jcd]

Fully agree, you tell em brother

[rusty_shackleford]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEe

[rusty_shackleford]

it's ironic that libtards will go on about gaslighting this gaslighting that when they will repeatedly try to tell you this has always been when we know for a fact it is not true

[Tweed]

You troglodytes need to educate yourself!

Lucky for all of us, there's a entire wiki dedicated to pronouns to clear up all this confusion.

[Tweed]

Nullpronominal, also known as nonpronominal, unpronominal, apronominal, apronouned, pronounless, voidpronoun or impronoun,

Jesus Christ.

This **** is great:

In the late 2010s and early 2020s, a small controversy arose over who could use fae/faer pronouns. Some individuals asserted that fae/faer was exclusive to those of Celtic background and those who worked with the fae; however, this is untrue for a variety of reasons. The fae as a whole are not exclusive to Celtic cultures and are found in mythology all over Europe (particularly Slavic, Germanic, and Gaul (around the region of modern France) mythology), even stretching into North America with fae-like creatures appearing in Cherokee mythology. Fair folk also appear in both Pagan and Christian religions. Indeed, "fae" and "faerie" themselves originated from Old French, which were in turn derived from a similar word in Colloquial Latin.

[Demonic Fate]

Nullpronominal, also known as nonpronominal, unpronominal, apronominal, apronouned, pronounless, voidpronoun or impronoun,

Jesus Christ.

This **** is great:

In the late 2010s and early 2020s, a small controversy arose over who could use fae/faer pronouns. Some individuals asserted that fae/faer was exclusive to those of Celtic background and those who worked with the fae; however, this is untrue for a variety of reasons. The fae as a whole are not exclusive to Celtic cultures and are found in mythology all over Europe (particularly Slavic, Germanic, and Gaul (around the region of modern France) mythology), even stretching into North America with fae-like creatures appearing in Cherokee mythology. Fair folk also appear in both Pagan and Christian religions. Indeed, "fae" and "faerie" themselves originated from Old French, which were in turn derived from a similar word in Colloquial Latin.

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