Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon

[wndrbr]

Narrative Mariusz Ciechoński, Jakub Hospod, Anna Porębska

aw wtf, i didn't know it's a Polish game.

[gerey]

Polish

Poland starting to develop games was the single worst thing to happen to gaming, only eclipsed by the greater tragedy of having Anglos make games.

[1998]

I'll give them the benefit and see if they patch the content in, wouldn't be the first time it has happened after an unfinished game was successful.

Pretty sure we had that somewhere before, but remind me, which RPGs achieved that?

[gerey]

Pretty sure we had that somewhere before, but remind me, which RPGs achieved that?

Cyberpunk 2077, maybe?

I know there's games in other genres that received a lot of post-launch content, to the point it's become something of an expectation.

[1998]

Pretty sure we had that somewhere before, but remind me, which RPGs achieved that?

Cyberpunk 2077, maybe?

I know there's games in other genres that received a lot of post-launch content, to the point it's become something of an expectation.

Played it on release day and couple years later, I don't think so. Less bugs, sure. Better performance, yeah. But besides that same game.

[gerey]

But besides that same game.

I think they added a bunch of new stuff for free - items, new romance content (?), the metro etc.

I guess Baldur's Gate 3 is the bigger example, though it's questionable how much of the content they added was just stuff from EA and how much they started working on after the game shipped.

[WaterMage]

Only a update.

I said that battlemage, the typical heavy armored breton using spells to buff/summon with a powerful enchanted weapon and eventually destruction spells only on terrifying enemies is not possible, but I was wrong. It is possible in late game.



Sure, is more a spellsword than a battlemage, using magic and weapon together without heavy armor. But is feasible.

[1998]

But besides that same game.

I think they added a bunch of new stuff for free - items, new romance content (?), the metro etc.

I guess Baldur's Gate 3 is the bigger example, though it's questionable how much of the content they added was just stuff from EA and how much they started working on after the game shipped.

Sure they did, but nothing that changed the game fundamentally or made it more complete. I just can't think of an unfinished game, Encased, Stygian etc., that has been properly finished post launch.

[gerey]

I just can't think of an unfinished game, Encased, Stygian etc., that has been properly finished post launch.

If we step outside the cRPGs box for a moment, credit where credit is due, No Man's Sky devs did deliver on all they promised during the pre-launch hype campaign.

The game's gameplay loop is still flawed on a fundamental level, but I can't fault the devs for all the free support they've given to the game.

[1998]

I just can't think of an unfinished game, Encased, Stygian etc., that has been properly finished post launch.

If we step outside the cRPGs box for a moment, credit where credit is due, No Man's Sky devs did deliver on all they promised during the pre-launch hype campaign.

The game's gameplay loop is still flawed on a fundamental level, but I can't fault the devs for all the free support they've given to the game.

I actually picked it up at some point, but never got around playing it. This might be good example though.

Anyway, I am about to wrap up chapter 1, so no idea how unfinished the rest of the game is. I am still pretty confident chapter 3 will never be close to c1.

[gastovski]

Tsk tsk look at this

[pokafox]

I think this game would be better off it was turned into "Normal Grail: The Rise of Avalon". Give me everything, give me Tolkien elves, dwarves, red fire-breathing dragons and evil necromancers to have righteous anger towards. Have a legendary character like King Arthur actually 'be' King Arthur. Let him stand tall with gold-plated armor, a full beard, and fight for truth, justice and honor in a massive castle full of loyal knights. Have a quest-line where you strive to rise through the ranks of his court, and join him at the round table. No more of this "ho-hum, oy-vey, woe-is-me" stuff.

That's what I feared and came to ask here ... Game looks great but gives this modern pseudo nihilistic dont-dare-being-classically-heroic vibe ...

Given it's based on a highly Christian infused myth, would you guys say it is actually insulting / disrespectful of Christianity ?

And does it feel like one of those where the righteous heroes/knights of old are actually evil assholes ?

[NezahualDoomer]

Only a update.

I said that battlemage, the typical heavy armored breton using spells to buff/summon with a powerful enchanted weapon and eventually destruction spells only on terrifying enemies is not possible, but I was wrong. It is possible in late game.



Sure, is more a spellsword than a battlemage, using magic and weapon together without heavy armor. But is feasible.

I have been playing a mage for my entire playthrough and I had no issues whatsoever, my build is 20 spirituality for now and nothing else, I am one shotting most normal enemies and for bosses I just summon three goblins while I nuke the boss with my spells.

You can absolutely play mage from lvl 1 not only in the endgame.

At the end of chapter one I cleared the entire Del Riata camp for even daring to suggest me to betray Galahad on the hardest difficulty, you just need to know how to kite (one hit and you are dead) and have good mana regen or potions.

[WaterMage]

I'm not talking about MAGE, I'm talking about Battlemage/Spellsword, using heavy armor and mostly buff magic.

[Irenaeus]

I think this game would be better off it was turned into "Normal Grail: The Rise of Avalon". Give me everything, give me Tolkien elves, dwarves, red fire-breathing dragons and evil necromancers to have righteous anger towards. Have a legendary character like King Arthur actually 'be' King Arthur. Let him stand tall with gold-plated armor, a full beard, and fight for truth, justice and honor in a massive castle full of loyal knights. Have a quest-line where you strive to rise through the ranks of his court, and join him at the round table. No more of this "ho-hum, oy-vey, woe-is-me" stuff.

That's what I feared and came to ask here ... Game looks great but gives this modern pseudo nihilistic dont-dare-being-classically-heroic vibe ...

Given it's based on a highly Christian infused myth, would you guys say it is actually insulting / disrespectful of Christianity ?

And does it feel like one of those where the righteous heroes/knights of old are actually evil assholes ?

@rusty_shackleford come bring your Arthurian scholarship to @pokafox

[rusty_shackleford]

I'll give them the benefit and see if they patch the content in, wouldn't be the first time it has happened after an unfinished game was successful.

Pretty sure we had that somewhere before, but remind me, which RPGs achieved that?

Pathfinder kingmaker was completely unfinished at launch, half the game was missing.

[rusty_shackleford]

I think this game would be better off it was turned into "Normal Grail: The Rise of Avalon". Give me everything, give me Tolkien elves, dwarves, red fire-breathing dragons and evil necromancers to have righteous anger towards. Have a legendary character like King Arthur actually 'be' King Arthur. Let him stand tall with gold-plated armor, a full beard, and fight for truth, justice and honor in a massive castle full of loyal knights. Have a quest-line where you strive to rise through the ranks of his court, and join him at the round table. No more of this "ho-hum, oy-vey, woe-is-me" stuff.

That's what I feared and came to ask here ... Game looks great but gives this modern pseudo nihilistic dont-dare-being-classically-heroic vibe ...

Given it's based on a highly Christian infused myth, would you guys say it is actually insulting / disrespectful of Christianity ?

And does it feel like one of those where the righteous heroes/knights of old are actually evil assholes ?

There's almost zero references to Christianity beyond a few offhand mentions of the pope. If it wasn't for there being characters that are later additions it would be easy to pass as a pre-romance Arthurian story. And it still could, I guess.

Galahad was talked about as being insane but when I actually met him he seemed reasonable. Yes, he had just executed two soldiers, but one was a deserter and the other was looting a dead body.

[Stack of Turtles]

I think this game would be better off it was turned into "Normal Grail: The Rise of Avalon". Give me everything, give me Tolkien elves, dwarves, red fire-breathing dragons and evil necromancers to have righteous anger towards. Have a legendary character like King Arthur actually 'be' King Arthur. Let him stand tall with gold-plated armor, a full beard, and fight for truth, justice and honor in a massive castle full of loyal knights. Have a quest-line where you strive to rise through the ranks of his court, and join him at the round table. No more of this "ho-hum, oy-vey, woe-is-me" stuff.

That's what I feared and came to ask here ... Game looks great but gives this modern pseudo nihilistic dont-dare-being-classically-heroic vibe ...

Given it's based on a highly Christian infused myth, would you guys say it is actually insulting / disrespectful of Christianity ?

And does it feel like one of those where the righteous heroes/knights of old are actually evil assholes ?

somebody's never actually read it

[NezahualDoomer]

I'm not talking about MAGE, I'm talking about Battlemage/Spellsword, using heavy armor and mostly buff magic.

My bad then.

I have seen a bunch of gear that is good for a battle mage, including magic shields and a sword that launches water proyectiles.

There is a spell that blocks 1 hit (any hit) that seems also good for a battle mage and I think it's on the same place where you find your basic healing spell.

[NezahualDoomer]

Tsk tsk look at this

If there was a man involved I wouldn't suspect a lot but since it's only two females my woke alert is activated.

[gastovski]

I'm getting bored already in act 2. Got lancelot gear fully equipped and got the all requirements for it around level 35 every battle is the same now.

[pokafox]

I think this game would be better off it was turned into "Normal Grail: The Rise of Avalon". Give me everything, give me Tolkien elves, dwarves, red fire-breathing dragons and evil necromancers to have righteous anger towards. Have a legendary character like King Arthur actually 'be' King Arthur. Let him stand tall with gold-plated armor, a full beard, and fight for truth, justice and honor in a massive castle full of loyal knights. Have a quest-line where you strive to rise through the ranks of his court, and join him at the round table. No more of this "ho-hum, oy-vey, woe-is-me" stuff.

That's what I feared and came to ask here ... Game looks great but gives this modern pseudo nihilistic dont-dare-being-classically-heroic vibe ...

Given it's based on a highly Christian infused myth, would you guys say it is actually insulting / disrespectful of Christianity ?

And does it feel like one of those where the righteous heroes/knights of old are actually evil assholes ?

somebody's never actually read it

which version, smartass ?

[Stack of Turtles]

That's what I feared and came to ask here ... Game looks great but gives this modern pseudo nihilistic dont-dare-being-classically-heroic vibe ...

Given it's based on a highly Christian infused myth, would you guys say it is actually insulting / disrespectful of Christianity ?

And does it feel like one of those where the righteous heroes/knights of old are actually evil assholes ?

somebody's never actually read it

which version, smartass ?

Any of them. Malory is of course considered the most "canonical", but the essential themes are present all the way back to Geoffrey of Monmouth.

[1998]

I'll give them the benefit and see if they patch the content in, wouldn't be the first time it has happened after an unfinished game was successful.

Pretty sure we had that somewhere before, but remind me, which RPGs achieved that?

Pathfinder kingmaker was completely unfinished at launch, half the game was missing.

Only played it at launch, sure later chapters were a mess. That's different now?

[rusty_shackleford]

Only played it at launch, sure later chapters were a mess.

The launch version did not have the full game, I got hardlocked at the barbarian area and it was already getting very buggy by that point.
Check the 1.0 & 1.1 notes: https://pathfinderkingmaker.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_Notes Tons of stuff

That's different now?

Yes, it's actually a completable game albeit the quality drops after the halfway mark.

[1998]

Only played it at launch, sure later chapters were a mess.

The launch version did not have the full game, I got hardlocked at the barbarian area and it was already getting very buggy by that point.

That's different now?

Yes, it's actually a completable game albeit the quality drops after the halfway mark.

Then they must have fixed it fast. Pretty sure I finished it within a month.

[rusty_shackleford]

Only played it at launch, sure later chapters were a mess.

The launch version did not have the full game, I got hardlocked at the barbarian area and it was already getting very buggy by that point.

That's different now?

Yes, it's actually a completable game albeit the quality drops after the halfway mark.

Then they must have fixed it fast. Pretty sure I finished it within a month.

Are you sure you're not confusing it with WotR?
Check the 1.0 & 1.1 notes here: https://pathfinderkingmaker.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_Notes paragraphs worth of fixes/additions

[1998]

The launch version did not have the full game, I got hardlocked at the barbarian area and it was already getting very buggy by that point.



Yes, it's actually a completable game albeit the quality drops after the halfway mark.

Then they must have fixed it fast. Pretty sure I finished it within a month.

Are you sure you're not confusing it with WotR?
Check the 1.0 & 1.1 notes here: https://pathfinderkingmaker.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_Notes paragraphs worth of fixes/additions

For sure, never finished WotR for Rogue Trader for that matter.

[1998]

OK, but I was wrong with the timeline, I started day1 and finished 6 Mar, 2019. Guess I forgot about that circus.

[WaterMage]

Started again and am using lightning lash. Not having only "fire" based spells is so great. Any mage player here want to share the location of more cool spells please?