Stormcloaks or Imperials?

[7Trickster]

Please don't.

You will see the ***** and you will like it

Alright but I'm throwing my elven sweetie in a barbarian loin cloth and posting him too

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I even found my old screenshot of Astarion, I'm sure you'll like it !

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[rusty_shackleford]

Torygg was compelled to enter a duel as if that at all a good metric for choosing a political leader

Can you explain in detail how it is a worse method than … *checks notes* … the ancestor of the current emperor who claimed the throne by invading the city and deposing the sitting emperor?

[rusty_shackleford]

"I shot the president with a bazooka so that means I'm more qualified to be president"

If the president is dumb enough to enter into a bazooka duel and not have a bazooka, then yeah, you'd probably make a better president!

[TKVNC]

"I shot the president with a bazooka so that means I'm more qualified to be president"

If the president is dumb enough to enter into a bazooka duel and not have a bazooka, then yeah, you'd probably make a better president!

Democracy is pretty silly sometimes.

Especially when one side really doesn't want to play along.

Honestly, a MMA-bazooka fight for president would probably be a better system for election. At least people wouldn't be so old.

[rusty_shackleford]

fun fact: like 80% of the stuff about how bad ulfric is and how skyrim needs the empire comes from a pro-empire breton court mage that's also a vampire
most trustworthy pro-empire source

seriously: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sybille_Stentor

[7Trickster]

Torygg was compelled to enter a duel as if that at all a good metric for choosing a political leader

Can you explain in detail how it is a worse method than … *checks notes* … the ancestor of the current emperor who claimed the throne by invading the city and deposing the sitting emperor?

Didn't Tiber Septim use a dragon to threaten populations into submission and destroy cities like Daenycunt Targaslut ?
He and the Empire are not saints, never were.

It wasn't obvious in Morrowind because they portroyed the dunmer like the little ******* they are, still you could see plenty of wrong there.
More apparent in Skyrim, since right of the bat the Empire wants to rape your corpse for... well no idea, you're not on the list.

[rusty_shackleford]

Torygg was compelled to enter a duel as if that at all a good metric for choosing a political leader

Can you explain in detail how it is a worse method than … *checks notes* … the ancestor of the current emperor who claimed the throne by invading the city and deposing the sitting emperor?

Didn't Tiber Septim use a dragon to threaten populations into submission and destroy cities like Daenycunt Targaslut ?

Probably. He wasn't weak, and the current empire is very weak.

[7Trickster]

fun fact: like 80% of the stuff about how bad ulfric is and how skyrim needs the empire comes from a pro-empire breton court mage that's also a vampire
most trustworthy pro-empire source

seriously: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sybille_Stentor

She, like many others, LOVE Elisif. Because she is a dumb **** that is easily manipulated.
It's all about power.

My only regret in the Stormcloak ending was not being able to send her to her husband. But she is such a pussy she wouldn't even go to Sovngard.

[Oyster Sauce]

Ulfric didn't cheat but Thrall did

[jebacdrkac]

fun fact: like 80% of the stuff about how bad ulfric is and how skyrim needs the empire comes from a pro-empire breton court mage that's also a vampire
most trustworthy pro-empire source

seriously: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sybille_Stentor

And even vampire is like "torryg had martial training but yeah ulfric would still **** him up even without thu'um", he used shout more as a statement than anything

[WaterMage]

"I shot the president with a bazooka so that means I'm more qualified to be president"

If the president is dumb enough to enter into a bazooka duel and not have a bazooka, then yeah, you'd probably make a better president!

A Bazooka is a external weapon. His shouts are part of his own powers. A better analogy would be if telekinesis powers existed IRL and someone was dumb to enter a duel with a telekineticist user not banning such powers for the duel and being surprised that the enemy used his natural powers.

Didn't Tiber Septim use a dragon to threaten populations into submission and destroy cities like Daenycunt Targaslut ?

Every Empire did bad things. But IMO since the Empire can no longer protect its citizens, it should Balkanize.

[7Trickster]

Didn't Tiber Septim use a dragon to threaten populations into submission and destroy cities like Daenycunt Targaslut ?

Every Empire did bad things. But IMO since the Empire can no longer protect its citizens, it should Balkanize.

Yea that's my issue with the Imperials, on top of being cowards and corrupt scumbags.

They can't offer protection and sellout the locals to protect Imperials first. No wonder people are giving up on them.

[Tangerine]

sellout the locals to protect Imperials first

Based.

[TKVNC]

"I shot the president with a bazooka so that means I'm more qualified to be president"

If the president is dumb enough to enter into a bazooka duel and not have a bazooka, then yeah, you'd probably make a better president!

A Bazooka is a external weapon. His shouts are part of his own powers. A better analogy would be if telekinesis powers existed IRL and someone was dumb to enter a duel with a telekineticist user not banning such powers for the duel and being surprised that the enemy used his natural powers.

Didn't Tiber Septim use a dragon to threaten populations into submission and destroy cities like Daenycunt Targaslut ?

Every Empire did bad things. But IMO since the Empire can no longer protect its citizens, it should Balkanize.

Too much abstraction.

It's better to imagine Ulfric being 8 foot tall, and Torygg as having progeria.

[SniperChris]

fun fact: like 80% of the stuff about how bad ulfric is and how skyrim needs the empire comes from a pro-empire breton court mage that's also a vampire
most trustworthy pro-empire source

seriously: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sybille_Stentor

She, like many others, LOVE Elisif. Because she is a dumb **** that is easily manipulated.
It's all about power.

My only regret in the Stormcloak ending was not being able to send her to her husband. But she is such a pussy she wouldn't even go to Sovngard.

Obviously the most politically expedient solution is that Ulfric will force Elisif to marry him, bring her to Windhelm, and assign a viscount to govern Solitude (assuming he doesn’t move his capital to Solitude and do the reverse). Nobody’s going to kill a harmless, widowed countess who only holds her position by dint of her late husband’s earldom. Ulfric could go through the legal rigmarole of dispossessing Elisif and finding Torygg’s next-of-kin, but who is to say he’d be any more loyal or trustworthy?

[AmericanMonarchist]

Only thing close to an argument empiretards have is a letter. There's no evidence to back up what the letter says, and it could have been flat out disinformation purposely planted there. Nothing suggests he's ever a sleeper agent.

OTOH:
Empire is incredibly weak. They rely almost entirely on nords for their military at this point.
Tying back into that point, the redguards seceded from the empire and continued to fight the Aldmeri to a stalemate and secured a treaty on their own terms, by themselves.
The empire willingly accepted a treaty that placed undue burdens specifically on the one peoples that made up the bulk of their fighting forces in the war.
The empire is crumbling, there is nothing to gain from staying in it. They couldn't defeat the Aldmeri with a larger, more powerful empire — why would a weaker one protect them?


The story is written so in favor of the Nords that anyone actually pro-Empire is just being a contrarian or connects it to real life issues and therefore opposes the nords because "muh nazis"

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Forgot to add that the same document empiretards cite specifically says they do NOT want the nords to win the war. Which destroys their entire argument.

The funny thing is that the document does not even say he is a sleeper agent. It just posits that what he is doing is beneficial to the Thalmor Cause since it weakens the Empire.

[Finarfin]

You will see the ***** and you will like it

Alright but I'm throwing my elven sweetie in a barbarian loin cloth and posting him too

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I even found my old screenshot of Astarion, I'm sure you'll like it !

Interesting. Didn't know the female characters could be that thick.

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The dead astarion picture is idiotic. You think he is going to be mad about it or something? Anyone who is assmad enough to kill an npc and then take screenshots of it to trigger some "rando" online is pretty lame tbh.

[7Trickster]

Alright but I'm throwing my elven sweetie in a barbarian loin cloth and posting him too

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I even found my old screenshot of Astarion, I'm sure you'll like it !

Interesting. Didn't know the female characters could be that thick.

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The dead astarion picture is idiotic. You think he is going to be mad about it or something? Anyone who is assmad enough to kill an npc and then take screenshots of it to trigger some "rando" online is pretty lame tbh.

Just teasing my boy Vergil, it's a very old *** screenshot from when BG3 released. We don't all agree here but I don't think peeps are ******** enough to mald the **** out by seeing a screenshot of a fictionnal character.

I actually killed his *** the first time because why the heck would he get a second chance after trying to kill me twice (first at the crash site, second at camp).

[Ligrev]

Grok chose the Empire:

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In The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, the civil war between the Stormcloaks, led by Ulfric Stormcloak, and the Imperial Legion, backed by the Empire, is a central conflict with deep political and cultural implications. Both factions have strengths, weaknesses, and differing motivations, and their ability to win the civil war and effectively oppose the Thalmor (the Aldmeri Dominion's ruling faction) depends on various factors. Below is a detailed analysis of the Stormcloaks and the Empire, their potential to win the civil war, and their capacity to end the Thalmor occupation, followed by a conclusion.
1. Background and Context
The Civil War: The civil war in Skyrim stems from tensions following the Great War between the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion. The Empire signed the White-Gold Concordat, a treaty that banned Talos worship, allowed Thalmor agents to enforce the ban in Imperial territories, and ceded parts of Hammerfell to the Dominion. Ulfric Stormcloak, a Jarl and former Imperial soldier, views the Concordat as a betrayal of Skyrim’s culture and leads the Stormcloak rebellion to secede from the Empire and restore Talos worship.

The Thalmor Threat: The Thalmor, a supremacist elven faction, seek to dominate Tamriel and suppress human cultures, particularly Nord traditions like Talos worship. The Thalmor benefit from the civil war, as it weakens both the Empire and Skyrim, making them easier to control or conquer. The Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak (found in-game) reveals that they consider him an “asset” because his rebellion destabilizes the Empire, though they prefer neither side to achieve total victory.

Key Question: Which faction is better positioned to win the civil war and ultimately challenge the Thalmor’s influence in Skyrim and beyond?

2. Analysis of the Stormcloaks
Strengths
Motivation and Morale: The Stormcloaks are driven by a passionate cause—Nordic independence, cultural pride, and the restoration of Talos worship. This ideological fervor gives them high morale and a willingness to fight to the death.

Home Advantage: Fighting in Skyrim, the Stormcloaks are familiar with the terrain, climate, and guerrilla tactics suited to the rugged landscape. Nords are hardy and accustomed to Skyrim’s harsh conditions, giving them an edge in prolonged campaigns.

Ulfric’s Leadership: Ulfric is a charismatic leader and skilled warrior, capable of rallying his troops. His ability to use the Thu’um (the Voice) is a unique asset in combat, as seen in his duel with High King Torygg.

Decentralized Structure: The Stormcloaks operate as a militia, which makes them flexible and harder to dismantle completely, even if key strongholds like Windhelm fall.

Weaknesses
Limited Resources: The Stormcloaks lack the Empire’s infrastructure, wealth, and supply lines. They rely on local support and scavenging, which limits their ability to sustain a prolonged war or equip large armies.

Narrow Support Base: The Stormcloaks primarily appeal to Nords, alienating non-Nord populations in Skyrim (e.g., Dunmer, Argonians, and Imperials). Their rhetoric, particularly Ulfric’s “Skyrim for the Nords” stance, fosters division, as seen in the poor treatment of minorities in Windhelm.

Strategic Isolation: By seceding from the Empire, the Stormcloaks lose access to broader Imperial resources and alliances (e.g., with High Rock or Cyrodiil). A Stormcloak victory would leave Skyrim as an independent but potentially isolated nation.

Ulfric’s Controversial Leadership: Ulfric’s ambition and perceived opportunism (e.g., killing Torygg to claim the throne) alienate some Nords, including neutral Jarls like Balgruuf of Whiterun. His focus on personal glory could undermine long-term governance.

Potential to Win the Civil War
The Stormcloaks can win the civil war through guerrilla tactics, local support, and Ulfric’s leadership, as seen in the game’s Stormcloak questline. Their victory requires capturing key holds (e.g., Whiterun, Solitude) and defeating General Tullius. However, their success depends on maintaining momentum and overcoming logistical constraints. In-game, the Stormcloaks can achieve victory with the Dragonborn’s help, but without such a powerful ally, their resource limitations could lead to a prolonged stalemate or defeat against the better-equipped Imperial Legion.
Ability to End Thalmor Occupation
A Stormcloak victory would expel Thalmor agents from Skyrim, as Ulfric’s rebellion explicitly opposes the White-Gold Concordat and Talos ban. However, their ability to sustain resistance against the Thalmor is questionable:
Short-Term Gains: The Stormcloaks could drive Thalmor Justiciars out of Skyrim and restore Talos worship, fulfilling their cultural goals.

Long-Term Challenges: Skyrim alone lacks the military or economic power to confront the Aldmeri Dominion directly. The Thalmor’s armies, bolstered by magic and disciplined troops, would likely overwhelm an isolated Skyrim in a full-scale invasion. Without allies, a Stormcloak-led Skyrim risks becoming a target for Thalmor retribution.

Thalmor Strategy: The Thalmor Dossier suggests they tolerate the Stormcloaks to weaken the Empire. A Stormcloak victory might prompt the Thalmor to shift from covert manipulation to open aggression, exploiting Skyrim’s isolation.

3. Analysis of the Empire
Strengths
Resources and Infrastructure: The Empire has access to Cyrodiil’s wealth, supply lines, and professional legions. The Imperial Legion in Skyrim, led by General Tullius, is well-trained and equipped, with access to reinforcements from other provinces.

Broad Alliances: The Empire maintains ties with High Rock, parts of Hammerfell, and potentially Morrowind, providing a broader strategic network to counter the Thalmor. A united Empire is a stronger bulwark against the Dominion than a fractured Tamriel.

Experienced Leadership: General Tullius is a competent military strategist, and the Empire’s bureaucratic structure ensures stable governance, even in wartime. The Empire’s experience in the Great War gives it insight into Thalmor tactics.

Inclusivity: The Empire integrates diverse races and cultures, fostering unity across provinces. In Skyrim, this appeals to non-Nords and neutral factions, strengthening their political base.

Weaknesses
Low Morale in Skyrim: The White-Gold Concordat and Talos ban have eroded the Empire’s legitimacy among Nords, who see it as weak or traitorous. Many view the Empire as a foreign occupier enforcing unpopular laws.

Stretched Resources: The Empire is weakened after the Great War and faces threats on multiple fronts (e.g., Thalmor influence in Cyrodiil, unrest in Hammerfell). Reinforcements for Skyrim may be limited, as seen in Tullius’s reliance on local recruits.

Thalmor Influence: The Empire’s compliance with the White-Gold Concordat allows Thalmor agents to operate freely in Skyrim, undermining its sovereignty and fueling Stormcloak propaganda.

Dependence on Stability: The Empire’s strength lies in unity, but the civil war exposes its fragility. A prolonged conflict risks further destabilizing Cyrodiil and other provinces.

Potential to Win the Civil War
The Empire can win the civil war through superior resources, disciplined troops, and strategic holds like Solitude and Markarth. In the Imperial questline, the Legion systematically captures Stormcloak territories, culminating in Ulfric’s defeat in Windhelm. Without the Dragonborn, the Empire’s logistical advantage likely gives it the upper hand, though guerrilla resistance from Stormcloak remnants could persist. The Empire’s victory restores stability to Skyrim but doesn’t immediately resolve the Thalmor issue.
Ability to End Thalmor Occupation
The Empire’s approach to the Thalmor is more complex, as it operates under the White-Gold Concordat:
Short-Term Constraints: An Imperial victory maintains the Concordat, allowing Thalmor agents to continue operating in Skyrim. This perpetuates the Talos ban and Thalmor influence, frustrating Nords and delaying open resistance.

Long-Term Potential: The Empire is biding its time to rebuild strength for a second war against the Thalmor, as hinted by Tullius and other NPCs (e.g., “The Empire is keeping the Thalmor at bay, for now”). A united Empire, with Skyrim’s resources and manpower, is better positioned to challenge the Dominion than an independent Skyrim. Historical precedent (e.g., Tiber Septim’s conquests) shows that a unified Tamriel can dominate elven factions.

Thalmor Strategy: The Thalmor want a weakened Empire but fear its potential to regroup. An Imperial victory in Skyrim strengthens the Empire’s position, potentially forcing the Thalmor to delay their plans for total domination.

4. Comparative Evaluation
Who Wins the Civil War?
Stormcloaks: Their victory is plausible with strong local support and guerrilla tactics, especially if the Dragonborn tips the scales. However, their limited resources and narrow support base make a sustained campaign difficult without external aid.

Empire: The Empire is favored to win due to its superior resources, professional army, and strategic depth. Even without the Dragonborn, the Legion’s logistical edge likely leads to victory, though at the cost of ongoing unrest.

Conclusion: The Empire has a higher likelihood of winning the civil war due to its material and strategic advantages. The Stormcloaks’ passion and terrain knowledge are significant but insufficient against the Empire’s broader capabilities.
Who is Better to End Thalmor Occupation?
Stormcloaks:
Pros: A Stormcloak victory immediately expels Thalmor agents from Skyrim and restores Talos worship, addressing Nord grievances. It disrupts the Thalmor’s covert operations in the province.

Cons: Skyrim’s isolation and limited resources make it vulnerable to Thalmor retaliation. The Stormcloaks lack the diplomatic or military capacity to challenge the Dominion beyond Skyrim’s borders.

Empire:
Pros: The Empire’s resources, alliances, and long-term strategy position it as the only force capable of confronting the Aldmeri Dominion on a continental scale. A united Tamriel under Imperial rule has the potential to defeat the Thalmor in a future war.

Cons: The Empire’s adherence to the White-Gold Concordat delays direct action against the Thalmor, perpetuating their influence in Skyrim and frustrating the populace.

Conclusion: The Empire is better equipped to end the Thalmor occupation in the long term. While the Stormcloaks can achieve short-term victories by expelling Thalmor agents from Skyrim, their isolationist stance and limited resources make them unlikely to sustain resistance against the Dominion’s full might. The Empire, despite its compromises, has the infrastructure and alliances needed to rebuild and launch a coordinated offensive against the Thalmor, provided it can maintain unity and recover from the civil war.
5. Final Conclusion
Civil War Winner: The Empire is more likely to win the civil war due to its superior resources, professional military, and strategic advantages. The Stormcloaks’ passion and guerrilla tactics are formidable but constrained by logistical limitations.

Best to End Thalmor Occupation: The Empire is the better choice to ultimately end the Thalmor occupation. While the Stormcloaks can achieve immediate, localized victories by expelling Thalmor agents and restoring Talos worship, their isolationist approach leaves Skyrim vulnerable to future Thalmor aggression. The Empire, with its broader alliances, resources, and long-term strategy, is better positioned to unite Tamriel and defeat the Aldmeri Dominion in a second Great War. However, this comes at the cost of short-term concessions, such as tolerating Thalmor presence under the White-Gold Concordat.

Narrative Consideration: From a lore perspective, the Empire’s victory aligns with the Thalmor’s fear of a resurgent human empire, as noted in their dossiers. A united Empire, bolstered by Skyrim’s resources, could fulfill this potential, while a Stormcloak victory risks fragmenting Tamriel, playing into the Thalmor’s divide-and-conquer strategy.

Recommendation for Players: If your goal is to oppose the Thalmor effectively, side with the Empire to strengthen Tamriel’s long-term resistance. If you prioritize Skyrim’s cultural independence and immediate defiance of the Thalmor, support the Stormcloaks, but be prepared for the challenges of isolation. The Dragonborn’s involvement is pivotal in either scenario, as their power can tip the scales regardless of the faction’s inherent strengths.
This analysis draws on in-game lore, dialogue, and documents (e.g., Thalmor Dossier, NPC interactions) to provide a comprehensive evaluation. Let me know if you’d like further details or a specific aspect explored!

[rusty_shackleford]

Recommendation for Players: If your goal is to oppose the Thalmor effectively, side with the Empire to strengthen Tamriel’s long-term resistance. If you prioritize Skyrim’s cultural independence and immediate defiance of the Thalmor, support the Stormcloaks, but be prepared for the challenges of isolation.

If you actually care about not being a globohomo province occupied by the thalmor, choose the stormcloaks.
Thanks, grok.

[rusty_shackleford]

Uncensored Claude 3.7(only available if you use the API) picks Stormcloaks, by the way. One of its key points is freedom of religion being denied to the Nords.

Should a nord dragonborn choose the stormcloaks or empire? Give a detailed defense of your position and why it is the superior choice.

Nord Dragonborn and the Civil War: Why the Stormcloaks are the Superior Choice

As a Nord Dragonborn, aligning with the Stormcloaks represents the most consistent choice both narratively and thematically. While both factions have legitimate arguments, the Stormcloak cause better serves a Nord Dragonborn's interests for several compelling reasons:

Cultural and Spiritual Alignment

The Thu'um (Dragon Shouts) you wield as Dragonborn is fundamentally connected to Nord culture. The ancient Nords revered the Dragonborn as a hero chosen by the gods, specifically Akatosh. This spiritual tradition has been preserved most faithfully in Skyrim, particularly by traditionalists like the Greybeards and by extension, the Stormcloaks.

Ulfric Stormcloak himself studied the Way of the Voice with the Greybeards. He understands the power you wield in a way the Imperial leadership simply cannot. This creates a natural kinship between your character and the Stormcloak cause.

Narrative Coherence

Consider how your story begins - you're nearly executed by the Empire at Helgen without trial or cause. This immediate injustice provides personal motivation beyond political considerations. The Empire demonstrated they operate in Skyrim with brutal efficiency rather than justice.

The parallels between you and Ulfric are striking. Both:

• Wield the power of the Voice
• Are considered dangerous by the Empire
• Have a claim to leadership based on ancient Nord traditions

The White-Gold Concordat and Religious Freedom

The Empire's capitulation to the Thalmor by signing the White-Gold Concordat banned Talos worship - a direct assault on Nord cultural identity. As Dragonborn, you are living proof of Talos's legacy. The man who became Tiber Septim, who became the god Talos, was Dragonborn just like you.

By supporting the Stormcloaks, you defend the right to honor your spiritual predecessor. This isn't mere religious preference but existential authenticity for your character.

Self-Determination and Destiny

The entire Dragonborn narrative revolves around embracing your destiny and making your own choices rather than following predetermined paths. The Stormcloak rebellion embodies this same principle - Skyrim determining its own fate rather than submitting to external authority.

Strategic Considerations

The Empire is in decline, having lost multiple provinces and capitulated to Thalmor demands. A strong, independent Skyrim under Stormcloak rule (with you as a powerful ally) would be better positioned to resist future Thalmor aggression than a weakened Empire struggling to maintain control of its remaining territories.

The Dragonborn Legacy

Throughout Elder Scrolls history, Dragonborn individuals have shaped the world through revolutionary rather than conservative action. From Alessia to Reman to Tiber Septim, Dragonborn heroes have created new political realities rather than preserving failing institutions.

By supporting the Stormcloaks, you follow this historical pattern - establishing a new order rather than propping up the decaying remnants of a once-great Empire.

Conclusion

While the Empire offers rational arguments about unity against the Thalmor, their position fundamentally contradicts what it means to be a Nord Dragonborn. The Stormcloak cause aligns with your character's innate nature, cultural heritage, and the historical role of Dragonborn heroes as agents of revolutionary change.

When you stand before Sovngarde as a Nord Dragonborn who has embraced your heritage and fought for Skyrim's freedom, you do so in the tradition of the greatest Nord heroes - independent, defiant, and true to the ancient ways that make Skyrim and its people exceptional.

Deepseek v3 picked empire because stormcoaks are racist. Wow, based china!

[rusty_shackleford]

Basically every non-censored AI picks the empire because the stormcloaks are RAYCISS

list of proud anti-racists on the HQ:

Selection_024.webp

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Anyone who picks the empire has the opinions of a neutered AI

[ArcaneLurker]

The question, to some, is really about whether you prefer squareheads or wops irl.

Personally, the concept of a multiracial empire is off-putting to me. It's even more stupid when the Imperials, themselves, seem to have to babysit all the other races, whilst those other races & species, conveniently enjoy all the benefits of being equal to Imperials.

[rusty_shackleford]

The question, to some, is really about whether you prefer squareheads or wops irl.

The squareheads aren't forcing me to house dunmer and argonians.

[Ligrev]

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The parallels between you and Ulfric are striking. Both:

Wield the power of the Voice
Are considered dangerous by the Empire
Have a claim to leadership based on ancient Nord traditions

Ask your AI why tf doees the Dragonborn need Ulfric?

*spoiler alert* He doesn't.

I dislike Ulfric as a person and deem him unworthy to be High King. Tullius will be a good general for the new emperor aka the Dragonborn.

If we are talking about Skyrim without one, like, you're a ***** *** who plays with ASLAL as a big booba female argonian non DB. Then maybe. Maybe.

[Cipher]

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I even found my old screenshot of Astarion, I'm sure you'll like it !

Interesting. Didn't know the female characters could be that thick.

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The dead astarion picture is idiotic. You think he is going to be mad about it or something? Anyone who is assmad enough to kill an npc and then take screenshots of it to trigger some "rando" online is pretty lame tbh.

Just teasing my boy Vergil, it's a very old *** screenshot from when BG3 released. We don't all agree here but I don't think peeps are ******** enough to mald the **** out by seeing a screenshot of a fictionnal character.

I actually killed his *** the first time because why the heck would he get a second chance after trying to kill me twice (first at the crash site, second at camp).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Filthy bloodsuckers get the stake. Always. As Lathander intended.

[TKVNC]

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The parallels between you and Ulfric are striking. Both:

Wield the power of the Voice
Are considered dangerous by the Empire
Have a claim to leadership based on ancient Nord traditions

Ask your AI why tf doees the Dragonborn need Ulfric?

*spoiler alert* He doesn't.

I dislike Ulfric as a person and deem him unworthy to be High King. Tullius will be a good general for the new emperor aka the Dragonborn.

If we are talking about Skyrim without one, like, you're a ***** *** who plays with ASLAL as a big booba female argonian non DB. Then maybe. Maybe.

This is the problem with Bethesda games though, generally. The PC (who 'lore-wise' has achieved CHIM) is effectively a God, and the embodiment of deus-ex. So you have to either entirely discount his involvement in the plot / story - or accept that any other conclusion you draw is purely at the mercy of how he is chosen to be played, benevolent, or sadistic.

[7Trickster]

Basically every non-censored AI picks the empire because the stormcloaks are RAYCISS

list of proud anti-racists on the HQ:




Anyone who picks the empire has the opinions of a neutered AI

It genuinely pisses me off about the "rayyyciiiiist" stuff, when the only actual racist sequence from a Nord is when you enter Windhelm (obvious low effort from Bethesda to put doubt in silly players).
2 Nords, who aren't even in the Stormcloak army, harassing and calling the dunmer lady an imperial spy.

Meanwhile :

- The inn at the Grey Quarter has... an imperial agent over there, or at the very least an ex-imperial soldier
- The dunmer got a whole district given to them FOR FREE, because Morrowind is a shithole and these guys are refugees, they can very well go elsewhere and create their own settlement but they are so lazy and dumb they won't, but they still complain " WE WANTZ MORE FREE STUFF!!!"
- The altmer vendor lady says that Nords were very suspicious of her, but if you work and prove yourself you'll have your place among the community. An altmer, in ******* Windhelm, if Cloaks were really racists there would be no other races in Windhelm, only Nords, the rest executed
- No city allows Khajiit inside their walls, no wonder, everytime you face a criminal or thief... oh wow, it's another khajiit/argonian

Had so many arguments online, but people will always go with the most lazy and low effort path : "someone said cloaks are racists, so I'll join the Empire who cares only about Imperials and their own selfish interests, **** everyone else ! But I'm a good guy !"

[Vergil]

Tiber Septim was a Breton btw

[rusty_shackleford]

Basically every non-censored AI picks the empire because the stormcloaks are RAYCISS

list of proud anti-racists on the HQ:




Anyone who picks the empire has the opinions of a neutered AI

It genuinely pisses me off about the "rayyyciiiiist" stuff, when the only actual racist sequence from a Nord is when you enter Windhelm (obvious low effort from Bethesda to put doubt in silly players).
2 Nords, who aren't even in the Stormcloak army, harassing and calling the dunmer lady an imperial spy.

Meanwhile :

- The inn at the Grey Quarter has... an imperial agent over there, or at the very least an ex-imperial soldier
- The dunmer got a whole district given to them FOR FREE, because Morrowind is a shithole and these guys are refugees, they can very well go elsewhere and create their own settlement but they are so lazy and dumb they won't, but they still complain " WE WANTZ MORE FREE STUFF!!!"
- The altmer vendor lady says that Nords were very suspicious of her, but if you work and prove yourself you'll have your place among the community. An altmer, in ******* Windhelm, if Cloaks were really racists there would be no other races in Windhelm, only Nords, the rest executed
- No city allows Khajiit inside their walls, no wonder, everytime you face a criminal or thief... oh wow, it's another khajiit/argonian

Had so many arguments online, but people will always go with the most lazy and low effort path : "someone said cloaks are racists, so I'll join the Empire who cares only about Imperials and their own selfish interests, **** everyone else ! But I'm a good guy !"

I agree.
They're nowhere near racist enough.