Stormcloaks or Imperials?

[BlueMemphis]

****** and pearl clutcher types always go stormcloak whereas imperials is considered the chud choice.

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum...
To the average *****, the Stormcloaks are literally maga.

Ever since i was a user on the friggin Escapist, ive only ever seen left types flock towards stormcloaks.

So laugh all you want, doesnt change a trend that i’ve consistently noticed whether on the escapist or on reddit.

[Demonic Fate]

My experience is the opposite of yours and in line with @jebacdrkac's. "Stormcloaks are nazis" is a thing among *******.

[BlueMemphis]

I refuse to accept the possibility we have seen different peoples opinions on the internet that we have generalised into one general archetype for the sake of caricature or debate so clearly one side is lying and since it's not me it must be the gits disagreeing with me.

But I will point out that I mentioned the Escapist as my starting point, long before MAGA was a thing so already that places my interpretation as the eldest one. We talking goddamned Obama years here ffs, so this is as close to the genesis of modern sjws as we get.
Why did leftists go for Stormcloak? Because duh, Empire is le evil Empire whilst stormcloaks want freedom against oppression, something something power dynamic.

Maga and chud stuff came later, much later. So maybe there has been a concensus update on this recently for all I know, but I'm not going to forget a decade + of lefties gushing over the stormcloaks just because the narrative changed when I wasn't looking.

[Valter]

I refuse to accept the possibility we have seen different peoples opinions on the internet that we have generalised into one general archetype for the sake of caricature or debate so clearly one side is lying and since it's not me it must be the gits disagreeing with me.

But I will point out that I mentioned the Escapist as my starting point, long before MAGA was a thing so already that places that particular interpretation as the youngest one. We talking goddamned Obama years here ffs, so this is as close to the genesis of modern sjws as we get.
Why did leftists go for Stormcloak? Because due, Empire is le evil Empire whilst stormcloaks want freedom against oppression, something something power dynamic.

Maga and chud stuff came later, much later.

I do believe the both of you are addressing entirely different generations of leftists. Devaluing national and ethnic cohesion in order to favor mass immigration is a core goal of current leftards, and Stormcloaks are a very "foreigners OUT" kinda deal. Was this not as big of a topic in the Obama era?

[BlueMemphis]

Back in the Obama years immigration wasn't really an issue on most people's radar and those prescient people who did worry about it were considered either extreme weirdos if you were young or antiquated dinosaurs if you were over 30.

[buttfucker 3000]

Redditors: Stormcloaks are waysiss!

The Thalmor patrol that just passed by me: "That we are superior to men is an established fact. You are but dogs, and we are your masters."

[Acrux]

Back in the Obama years immigration wasn't really an issue on most people's radar and those prescient people who did worry about it were considered either extreme weirdos if you were young or antiquated dinosaurs if you were over 30.

Immigration has been a hot issue since the 80s. Have you forgotten about "Obama is giving illegals amnesty through the DREAM program"?

Anyway, I've also only heard libtards refer to Nords as the racist Nazi side.

[TKVNC]

The biggest issue for the Stormcloaks is that they're based on Vikings, who are autistic, and cringe.

The original Morrowind Nords were much more interesting. But still.

[Vergil]

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Th ... Stormcloak

The letter isn't saying that Ulfric has any loyalty to the Thalmor, merely that they psyopped him a bit after being imprisoned, and that they have "contacted" him before but no longer do. "Dormant asset" isn't the same as "sleeper agent" - he's not faithfully waiting for an order, he's just someone the Thalmor thinks they have some leverage/insight over. Or in other words: he's not the enemy officer on the spy's payroll, he's the enemy officer listed in the spy's dossier with a psych profile and some juicy info.

Basically it sounds like he's Lenin and the Thalmor are Germany in WW1 who facilitated his trip to Russia. They hate each other and they both have no illusion about that, but since the Thalmor want to keep Skyrim in a civil war as long as possible, they note down that supplying/undermining Ulfric is an option were the Stormcloaks to get too close to losing/winning respectively. Whereas another Nord leader would just ignore and kill on sight any emissary they sent.

This is pretty much exactly the situation. Ulfric is a useful idiot who is causing strife in the Empire which the Thalmor wants to weaken. They want to keep Skyrim as a bleeding ulcer grinding down the military fighting age population of both peoples for as long as possible.

There's a reason the Empire sped up the executions in the intro. It wasn't to be le epic evil Empire but because the Thalmor were demanding Ulfric be handed over to them so he could conveniently escape and prolong the conflict again.

Now ideally the fighting continues for as long as possible but of course something has to give eventually and it's far more in the Thalmor's interests for the Empire to lose. Skyrim becomes a weak war weary isolated province, the Empire loses a province of some of it's most capable warriors, and the Empire loses basically all direct control over High Rock meaning all the nations of mankind are completely fragmented and the two most capable warrior states (Cyrodiil and Skyrim) are weakened by a recent conflict and further isolated. It's classic divide and conquer.

[Vergil]

The empire does need major reforms and a huge political shake up btw but it should probably wait until there's not the threat of an immediate Altmeri dicking on the horizon.

[rusty_shackleford]

"bro you need to stay in the empire that was willing to restrict all of your customs and throw you in prison for worshiping the former emperor. Imagine if the empire lost, you might have your customs restricted and thrown in prison for worshiping the former emperor!"

if the empire is unable to put down a single rebellion, how could they possibly win another war?

[Lord of Riva]

Skyrim is so **** that there is no reason to care

[Vergil]

I still think it's very funny this debate still inspires so much passion but despite their best efforts no one even knows the names of the various "grey" factions in Outer Worlds let alone cares.

[rusty_shackleford]

pro-empire positions are so contrived that they require ignoring the situation entirely.

I'm sure all the people saying "yass roman empire SLAY KWEEENNN!!!!" would be agreeing to support them if they outlawed worshiping Christ at the behest of moslems?

[Vergil]

Pro(lapse) stormcucks can't read lul they really are vikangs

[rusty_shackleford]

Pro(lapse) stormcucks can't read lul they really are vikangs

"uhhh actually you need to go die for us then we will allow you to worship your god again we promise to be good this time "

[BlueMemphis]

Back in the Obama years immigration wasn't really an issue on most people's radar and those prescient people who did worry about it were considered either extreme weirdos if you were young or antiquated dinosaurs if you were over 30.

Immigration has been a hot issue since the 80s. Have you forgotten about "Obama is giving illegals amnesty through the DREAM program"?

Anyway, I've also only heard libtards refer to Nords as the racist Nazi side.

And how were those people depicted as typically? As dinosaurs, as scare mongering racists whose fears were so silly they were considered hysterical.
I did not deny the existence of people who raised the issues about immigration or that it was an unknown issue, only its place in the public consciousness and how it was perceived, which is to say: very socially unnacceptable.
I had the views I had because I had family from marseilles, aka the canary in the coal mine when it comes to a lot of problems currently facing the west, and I had to keep such views a secret at uni and whenever i spoke about it online, like on the escapist it would always start **** and end in people gaslighting me.

Now my POV is more european, i can only go by what I absorbed via cultural osmosis, but I was under the impression things were the same in the usa not least because uk is culturally downstream from the usa: the popular narrative was that racism was defeated especially now that there was a black president, and people worried about multicultaralism or immigration were low iq buck toothed undermensch feebly clinging to their whiteness because they couldn't measure up the noble foreigner.

So again to clarify, when I say it wasn't an issue on most people's radar, I mean most normies really didn't give two fucks about it and talking about it would get weird looks and you'd just be laughed at and dismissed as a crazy silly person with a tinfoil hat. Not so much anymore.

Edit: Missed it on first reading but the use of " racist nazi" alone indicates it's a recent viewpoint. I dont recall a single fellow lefty student back in the day throw around the accusation so liberally because that wasn't the trendy catch all term it is today. Same with racism, the rage back then was about power dynamics and oppressor vs oppressed.

[Vergil]

[Oyster Sauce]

Back in the Obama years immigration wasn't really an issue on most people's radar and those prescient people who did worry about it were considered either extreme weirdos if you were young or antiquated dinosaurs if you were over 30.

Immigration has been a hot issue since the 80s. Have you forgotten about "Obama is giving illegals amnesty through the DREAM program"?

Anyway, I've also only heard libtards refer to Nords as the racist Nazi side.

And how were those people depicted as typically?

The exact same way they're depicted today

[Vergil]

Stormjokes

[Oyster Sauce]

Stormjokes

Fempire

[Vergil]

Stormjokes

Fempire

[logincrash]

Skyrim's writing is ******** and nonsensical.

[Acrux]

Back in the Obama years immigration wasn't really an issue on most people's radar and those prescient people who did worry about it were considered either extreme weirdos if you were young or antiquated dinosaurs if you were over 30.

Immigration has been a hot issue since the 80s. Have you forgotten about "Obama is giving illegals amnesty through the DREAM program"?

Anyway, I've also only heard libtards refer to Nords as the racist Nazi side.

And how were those people depicted as typically? As dinosaurs, as scare mongering racists whose fears were so silly they were considered hysterical.
I did not deny the existence of people who raised the issues about immigration or that it was an unknown issue, only its place in the public consciousness and how it was perceived, which is to say: very socially unnacceptable.
I had the views I had because I had family from marseilles, aka the canary in the coal mine when it comes to a lot of problems currently facing the west, and I had to keep such views a secret at uni and whenever i spoke about it online, like on the escapist it would always start **** and end in people gaslighting me.

Now my POV is more european, i can only go by what I absorbed via cultural osmosis, but I was under the impression things were the same in the usa not least because uk is culturally downstream from the usa: the popular narrative was that racism was defeated especially now that there was a black president, and people worried about multicultaralism or immigration were low iq buck toothed undermensch feebly clinging to their whiteness because they couldn't measure up the noble foreigner.

So again to clarify, when I say it wasn't an issue on most people's radar, I mean most normies really didn't give two fucks about it and talking about it would get weird looks and you'd just be laughed at and dismissed as a crazy silly person with a tinfoil hat. Not so much anymore.

Another Europeon? Rusty we have too many of them.

Yes, in American politics it was hotly debated and, no, presidential candidates even ran on the platform. I remember being a youngster in the 80s, standing in front of the arcade machines at our local WalMart and asking my parents what an 'illegal alien' was because it was talked about so much.

[BlueMemphis]

Another Europeon? Rusty we have too many of them.

Yes, in American politics it was hotly debated and, no, presidential candidates even ran on the platform. I remember being a youngster in the 80s, standing in front of the arcade machines at our local WalMart and asking my parents what an 'illegal alien' was because it was talked about so much.

This is one of the few places I can post bad things that won't get me arrested unless Rusty rats me out to the uk government

Otherwise I feel like you're arguing against a belief I do not hold: namely that immigration has never been a hot button issue in politics.
I would not dare make such a claim.

But it is my perception that nowadays openly talking about the pitfalls of immigration isn't seen as a silly non issue anymore for your average 20-30 something normie but a position you have to be militant about one way or another due to the more openly hostile zeitgeist compared to the 2010s aswell as the consequences of mass immigration being harder to ignore when you are knee deep in filth and have to be gaslighted in ever more radical ways to keep ignoring it.

[Brother Michael]

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[Ligrev]

Ulfric is a traitor dum dum ninkompoop. i rp my Dragonborn as High King, then the rightful Emperor, avatar of Akatosh, who crushes jewish... i mean thalmor skulls under his feet.

[rusty_shackleford]

Ulfric is a traitor

The least traitorous thing he could do was begin rebellion after worship of Talos was outlawed.

[Oyster Sauce]

If you kill your enemies, they win.

[Ligrev]

Ulfric is a traitor

The least traitorous thing he could do was begin rebellion after worship of Talos was outlawed.

Maybe, but it doesn't make him less of a ninkompoop. Talos worship would have been restored soon enough.