She's a ******* ****.UltraFan123 wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:47I vividly remember how the furry femnazi creator of Hazbin Hotel led an online crusade against Scott simply because he's a Trump supporter.
She even went as far as trying to somehow make the FNAF film bomb, which as anyone would've expected, ended up doing the opposite. kek
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I played through this scene, I thought it was a nice easter egg and the scene is also present in the original (though Maria is holding another outfit, which is similar to hers but red that I can't recall if she was wearing in Born from a Wish or not), I did find it strange they changed her outfit but I am not sure as for their motivation for doing this. It does help to think of this as a completely different game, and I have been enjoying myself very much thus far. While playing through I have not yet felt like Maria was any less flirtatious or anything of the sort, but I am treating her as a completely different character as the two could not be more different in certain ways.logincrash wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 18:54I was gonna mention the same ***** monster that the ****** got offended by, but @DagothGeas5 beat me to it. I'm not sure how Mangle would count as a "they" other than the most literal amalgamation of several individuals.Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:26Like I said, I haven't looked into this thoroughly yet, but I did see this linked in one of the Game Discussions:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/388090/d ... 3300619891The devs deliberately made the outfit Maria wears less sexual and included the original version to poke fun at it.Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:33While I understand the "uglification" sentiment, beauty is subjective and therefore not something I take into account for the purposes of this group's list. You don't need me to tell you whether something is ugly or not, you can determine that yourself.Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:40Character designs are the worst affected, females are uglyfied to avoid the male gaze from this specific lists perspective it is definitely necessary to put it into the not recommended section.
The only exception is if the body is altered to look more "androgynous" (like they originally did with the Water Glyph statue in the Soul Reaver remaster).
What I DID see they almost "censored", in a way, is Pyramid Head's first appearance, or how, when he holds James by the throat, he is missing his "tentacle/tongue thing" poking through the hole in his helmet (which is also missing, just as James' military patches are missing from his military jacket. Another that is missing is Pyramid Head's heart tattoo on his left shoulder, which is shown to be the same tattoo James has in an Easter Egg image of a shirtless, very jacket, James in the original).
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I have to disagree with you. Just look at the female characters of silent hill 2 remake, they all have male chin, it is so big that most dedicated gym regulars would be jealous.Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:33While I understand the "uglification" sentiment, beauty is subjective and therefore not something I take into account for the purposes of this group's list. You don't need me to tell you whether something is ugly or not, you can determine that yourself.Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:40Character designs are the worst affected, females are uglyfied to avoid the male gaze from this specific lists perspective it is definitely necessary to put it into the not recommended section.
The only exception is if the body is altered to look more "androgynous" (like they originally did with the Water Glyph statue in the Soul Reaver remaster).
Maria does look peculiar in a few scenes, but how they changed Angela is the flagship for male chin. She does give me the idea of teenager that the original did not (I had no idea she was supposed to be, that I recall, 19) because of how she looks, but she is not fat in anywhere but her jaw, making it strange when taking the image as a whole.
I would even say they made Laura different, she doesn't give me the same "pest" vibe she did in the original, though I am not sure what it could be.
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Well you have to compare them to their originals, I personally think making the androgynous is exactly what they did but if your argument is that this is a bit subjective, which I understand btw, then you need to look at it yourself.Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:33While I understand the "uglification" sentiment, beauty is subjective and therefore not something I take into account for the purposes of this group's list. You don't need me to tell you whether something is ugly or not, you can determine that yourself.Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:40Character designs are the worst affected, females are uglyfied to avoid the male gaze from this specific lists perspective it is definitely necessary to put it into the not recommended section.
The only exception is if the body is altered to look more "androgynous" (like they originally did with the Water Glyph statue in the Soul Reaver remaster).
The blonde one is supposed to be extremely sexual, it's a projection of the MCs desire, that is also why they de-sexualized her clothing.
EDIT: The wiki states the following angela is designed to look like Sandra Bullock as Angela Bennett in The Net and angela like christina aguilera. in the *orginal* SH2
https://silenthill.fandom.com/wiki/Maria (Trivia)
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(I haven't played Silent Hill 2, just to be clear)Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:33While I understand the "uglification" sentiment, beauty is subjective and therefore not something I take into account for the purposes of this group's list. You don't need me to tell you whether something is ugly or not, you can determine that yourself.Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:40Character designs are the worst affected, females are uglyfied to avoid the male gaze from this specific lists perspective it is definitely necessary to put it into the not recommended section.
The only exception is if the body is altered to look more "androgynous" (like they originally did with the Water Glyph statue in the Soul Reaver remaster).
This is a fair point most of the time, I think. Before people jump to conclusions, take a look at e.g., ELEX's female characters, they look like potatoes and I highly doubt there was any message behind that.
That said, for a remake, it's perhaps a bit different when the character designs stray so far from the original that you begin to wonder if it was altered on purpose.
The same developer had no issue creating an attractive female protagonist just 3 years prior in The Medium.
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That is a good point. Like I said, I understand what you guys mean by "uglification." The problem for me is, how exactly should I define "uglification" for the sake of the group's methodology?rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 22:59That said, for a remake, it's perhaps a bit different when the character designs stray so far from the original that you begin to wonder if it was altered on purpose.
The same developer had no issue creating an attractive female protagonist just 3 years prior in The Medium.
"I think it looks uglier therefore it is" doesn't seem right. I try to remain objective about everything I claim in the reviews. I'm not sure I can say that is possible in cases such as this.
For example, the statue in the Soul Reaver remaster was (initially) entirely different, with major modifications to the entire body frame - especially the thighs. The changes seen here appear to be limited to certain facial structures.
The change in wardrobe is likewise subjective. While different, some may say it is more appropriate in this context. Why would you choose to have any part of your body exposed when fighting creatures such as those encountered in Silent Hill (as I understand it, most of them are melee attackers)?
I haven't played the game nor do I know much about the franchise so if there is a good in-universe explanation, please let me know.
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THQ Nordic...rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 22:59(I haven't played Silent Hill 2, just to be clear)Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:33While I understand the "uglification" sentiment, beauty is subjective and therefore not something I take into account for the purposes of this group's list. You don't need me to tell you whether something is ugly or not, you can determine that yourself.Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:40Character designs are the worst affected, females are uglyfied to avoid the male gaze from this specific lists perspective it is definitely necessary to put it into the not recommended section.
The only exception is if the body is altered to look more "androgynous" (like they originally did with the Water Glyph statue in the Soul Reaver remaster).
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This is a fair point most of the time, I think. Before people jump to conclusions, take a look at e.g., ELEX's female characters, they look like potatoes and I highly doubt there was any message behind that.
That said, for a remake, it's perhaps a bit different when the character designs stray so far from the original that you begin to wonder if it was altered on purpose.
The same developer had no issue creating an attractive female protagonist just 3 years prior in The Medium.
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Furin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 09:13That is a good point. Like I said, I understand what you guys mean by "uglification." The problem for me is, how exactly should I define "uglification" for the sake of the group's methodology?rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 22:59That said, for a remake, it's perhaps a bit different when the character designs stray so far from the original that you begin to wonder if it was altered on purpose.
The same developer had no issue creating an attractive female protagonist just 3 years prior in The Medium.
"I think it looks uglier therefore it is" doesn't seem right. I try to remain objective about everything I claim in the reviews. I'm not sure I can say that is possible in cases such as this.
For example, the statue in the Soul Reaver remaster was (initially) entirely different, with major modifications to the entire body frame - especially the thighs. The changes seen here appear to be limited to certain facial structures.
The change in wardrobe is likewise subjective. While different, some may say it is more appropriate in this context. Why would you choose to have any part of your body exposed when fighting creatures such as those encountered in Silent Hill (as I understand it, most of them are melee attackers)?
I haven't played the game nor do I know much about the franchise so if there is a good in-universe explanation, please let me know.
Perhaps an informational review?
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Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 21:05Well you have to compare them to their originals, I personally think making the androgynous is exactly what they did but if your argument is that this is a bit subjective, which I understand btw, then you need to look at it yourself.Furin wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 16:33While I understand the "uglification" sentiment, beauty is subjective and therefore not something I take into account for the purposes of this group's list. You don't need me to tell you whether something is ugly or not, you can determine that yourself.Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:40Character designs are the worst affected, females are uglyfied to avoid the male gaze from this specific lists perspective it is definitely necessary to put it into the not recommended section.
The only exception is if the body is altered to look more "androgynous" (like they originally did with the Water Glyph statue in the Soul Reaver remaster).
The blonde one is supposed to be extremely sexual, it's a projection of the MCs desire, that is also why they de-sexualized her clothing.
EDIT: The wiki states the following angela is designed to look like Sandra Bullock as Angela Bennett in The Net and angela like christina aguilera. in the *orginal* SH2
https://silenthill.fandom.com/wiki/Maria (Trivia)
https://silenthill.fandom.com/wiki/Angela_Orosco (creators comment)
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Furin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 09:13That is a good point. Like I said, I understand what you guys mean by "uglification." The problem for me is, how exactly should I define "uglification" for the sake of the group's methodology?
Feminism is a transhumanist ideology, they advocate for social change that make women and men the same and claim that any differences between men and women is social.
Since the group sees "pro-transhumanist messaging" as a reason to deem a game woke, the male Gaze which is a feminist theory is absolutely warranted as a factor to not recommend games, at least that is my opinion.
I mean it's your decision in the end.Perhaps an informational review?
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The problem remains, how do you know a change was made for this purpose?Lord of Riva wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:20the male Gaze which is a feminist theory is absolutely warranted as a factor to not recommend games, at least that is my opinion.
I'm thinking the solution might be to mention the physical changes without invoking subjective terms like "bad," "worse," and "ugly." Physical changes that "make a character appear more androgynous" is a fairer statement, to me.
I'm still not quite convinced when it comes to Maria, but I think this is fair to say for Angela at the very least. I think it's fair to say her jaw having been made more square and her voice lower can both be seen as making her appear more androgynous.
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Remember, this group is focused on content-level analysis, not company-level analysis. We consider each game in and of itself.TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:07Guess Warhorse and KCD should be moved to "informational" as purchases would be tacitly supporting a now DEI company.
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If you want this kind of gay ****, go follow the ADL curator group, they are the kind of **** that retroactively put games before the pozz onto "Informational" or "Not recommended" because present-day ****-upsTKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:07Guess Warhorse and KCD should be moved to "informational" as purchases would be tacitly supporting a now DEI company.Furin wrote: ↑ April 6th, 2024, 05:31This is the Google Sheet version of Woke Content Detector's full list of games.
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Well a fair conclusion. I just want to reiterate that I actually like the game, which surprised me myself but it is good besides the wokeness, however me liking it should not factor in and I personally think that the evidence is overwhelming, I think even for maria but well.Furin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:31I'm still not quite convinced when it comes to Maria, but I think this is fair to say for Angela at the very least. I think it's fair to say her jaw having been made more square and her voice lower can both be seen as making her appear more androgynous.
"making characters more androgynous" is a fair way to put it, I would say.
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That's why I said informational, and why I said purchases support a DEI company...Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 12:11If you want this kind of gay ****, go follow the ADL curator group, they are the kind of **** that retroactively put games before the pozz onto "Informational" or "Not recommended" because present-day ****-upsTKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:07Guess Warhorse and KCD should be moved to "informational" as purchases would be tacitly supporting a now DEI company.Furin wrote: ↑ April 6th, 2024, 05:31This is the Google Sheet version of Woke Content Detector's full list of games.
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Where did I say KCD1 was pozzed?
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Guess Warhorse and KCD should be moved to "informational" as purchases would be tacitly supporting a now DEI company.TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 12:43That's why I said informational, and why I said purchases support a DEI company...Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 12:11If you want this kind of gay ****, go follow the ADL curator group, they are the kind of **** that retroactively put games before the pozz onto "Informational" or "Not recommended" because present-day ****-upsTKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:07
Guess Warhorse and KCD should be moved to "informational" as purchases would be tacitly supporting a now DEI company.
Where did I say KCD1 was pozzed?
Is basically you branding pre-pozz games as pozzed because the company went woke.
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I don't think Furin does any of that, just waits for full game releases and judges them based on what's in the game itself.
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How is it? Informational =/= pozzed. It mean that the game is not woke, but any purchases are supporting a studio that engages with DEI.Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 13:25Guess Warhorse and KCD should be moved to "informational" as purchases would be tacitly supporting a now DEI company.TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 12:43That's why I said informational, and why I said purchases support a DEI company...Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 12:11
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Where did I say KCD1 was pozzed?
Is basically you branding pre-pozz games as pozzed because the company went woke.
Therefore, it's informational - buy it if you want, but be aware that this money is going into the coffers of a company that hates you.
I wouldn't say it's the same thing at all, in fact.
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Eighteen naked cowboys in the showers at Ram Ranch...Tweed wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 13:37Gothic 2 has the all man farm. WOOP WOOP gay alert! WOOP WOOP gay alert!
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Very wise. I don't allow Disney in my house anymore, I don't drink any Anheuser products, and I won't ever touch for instance Baldur's Gate 3. Three small and rather silly (given how similar these companies/products are to absolutely everything else these days) restrictions I've imposed on myself, and yet it still causes inconvenience and frustration in my life. Just the Disney restriction had my dad earnestly warning me - from the perspective of the Christian command to evangelize - against forcing myself into being a shut-in and hermit who hates the world and refuses to have anything to do with it ( he doesn't knowFurin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:34One of the reasons I chose to do it this way is because the moment you start going after Woke companies and/or people, you force yourself into boycotting most forms of contemporary media (past media too if you boycott companies entirely).
While I find that admirable, most people are not willing to go that far.
I do sometimes wonder if I should just take vows and join a monastery.
Yup, and devs love these useful idiots that advocate for it because creating a single one-size-fits-all romance is way easier and takes much less work than a variable romance dependent on certain factors.Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: ↑ October 10th, 2024, 10:54And now there is a new trend when romances are in games where every character is player sexual, regardless on differences in culture, race , social status or making story or setting sense for those characters.
I ******* hate it and people who advocate because it’s muh fantasy setting or restricting character options is bad.
Pandering is amazingly easy and lets you be far more lazy. You only need to write and voice one set of lines if every character wants to jump your bones no matter what your race or sex is. Vitiligo is ridiculously easy to implement in games while making models and animations for wheelchairs isn't.Dunadan wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 15:08Yup, and devs love these useful idiots that advocate for it because creating a single one-size-fits-all romance is way easier and takes much less work than a variable romance dependent on certain factors.Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: ↑ October 10th, 2024, 10:54And now there is a new trend when romances are in games where every character is player sexual, regardless on differences in culture, race , social status or making story or setting sense for those characters.
I ******* hate it and people who advocate because it’s muh fantasy setting or restricting character options is bad.
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But voicing the protagonist costs much more when you have to do voice acting for every romance option, instead of just the normal ones.Tweed wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 16:17You only need to write and voice one set of lines if every character wants to jump your bones no matter what your race or sex is.
"Oh, it all makes sense now, brother."
Now that I've familiarized myself with the game's story and characters, I agree this change was likely politically motivated. There is an in-universe explanation for why Maria would be wearing clothing James finds sexy, regardless of its utility.Furin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 09:13The change in wardrobe is likewise subjective. While different, some may say it is more appropriate in this context. Why would you choose to have any part of your body exposed when fighting creatures such as those encountered in Silent Hill (as I understand it, most of them are melee attackers)?
I haven't played the game nor do I know much about the franchise so if there is a good in-universe explanation, please let me know.
Also, this game will definitely be rated not recommended. Among many other things, there seems to be clear anti-family, anti-male/anti-patriarchy themes, particularly in regard to Angela and James's backstories.
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Ah, you'd think so -- wouldn't you?logincrash wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 16:24But voicing the protagonist costs much more when you have to do voice acting for every romance option, instead of just the normal ones.Tweed wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 16:17You only need to write and voice one set of lines if every character wants to jump your bones no matter what your race or sex is.
But instead they just make it so that every single option is identical; and it's hard to really notice, because unless you play them all, you wouldn't realise.
The trade-off, of course is that it all becomes much shallower. However, the people who want this content don't really care, because they get what they want.
It's just for anyone else, the content becomes shallow, and pandering.
That's entirely fair, and thanks again for putting this list together.Furin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:34Remember, this group is focused on content-level analysis, not company-level analysis. We consider each game in and of itself.
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The irony being that libshits want representation and genderlarp, but studios want to save money so for all intents and purposes it turns the player into an AFGANCAAP.TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 16:30Ah, you'd think so -- wouldn't you?logincrash wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 16:24But voicing the protagonist costs much more when you have to do voice acting for every romance option, instead of just the normal ones.Tweed wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 16:17You only need to write and voice one set of lines if every character wants to jump your bones no matter what your race or sex is.
But instead they just make it so that every single option is identical; and it's hard to really notice, because unless you play them all, you wouldn't realise.
The trade-off, of course is that it all becomes much shallower. However, the people who want this content don't really care, because they get what they want.
It's just for anyone else, the content becomes shallow, and pandering.
That's entirely fair, and thanks again for putting this list together.Furin wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:34Remember, this group is focused on content-level analysis, not company-level analysis. We consider each game in and of itself.
Shalom!ExhaleInhale wrote: ↑ December 13th, 2024, 02:03Replace "woke" with human rights and suddenly this whole thread makes a lot more sense.
How did we reach the point that equity and inclusion are used like insults, and we're back into dividing citizen into higher and lower ranks, based on what? Lots of nonsense. Just scapegoats, to avoid responsibility and because it feels better to group up in tribal clans fighting each other, while the higher ups smugly watch.
In the past century the "great America" prided itself for being anti Nazi and anti Fascism, but those lessons got forgotten, schools failed to teach the history our world shared. A convicted felon and traitor is allowed to sit on one of the most powerful seats on the planet not once but twice, Russian botnets are allowed to manipulate foreign politics, billionaires can buy votes, megacorporations are legally allowed to pay less taxes than the average citizen and play the puppeteer role through lobbying.
But no, the problem is that one game that doesn't have the white super hetero chud getting chicks in videogames sold to all audiences.
