Junior Adventurer's Guild - May: Knights of the Old Republic

[Luckmann]

And we're back and crisp!

► The ADVENTURES of Raven Sunstrider! Taris!

Aaaaand we are out of here!


Yeah, something is fucky here.


Hopefully no-one ever asks.


It's a raid!


He has no idea how true this is.


100 credits? ****, life is cheap on Taris.


Oh, Grey DeLisle, your voice does such things to me.


And the best character in the entire game just walked in.


Enjoy it while it lasts, kid. It won't be long.


"Yes, but how does it affect you, personally?"


Heya, it's me, Imoen!


And best girl has joined the party!


Carth couldn't even wait 10 minutes before dropping truth bombs on Mission.


Weeks, even months, you say? Oh boy, I have some bad news for you in 24-48 hours.


Almost feel sorry for the little big fucko.


Eyoo, dis whiteboi wuz bedda so he cheated by vishnu!


Girlboss moment.

Yass queen slaaaay.

Ominous dream sequence. I'm sure it's nothing.

Just indigestion. Or a bad bit of cheese.

**** this fight as a Level 4 Scoundrel.

Luckily, low-level D&D combat is extremely swingy, so it's eventually brute-forced with grenades.

Still more loyalty than the average civil servant in a democracy.


Why would there be divine equipment in a closet on a military base on Taris?


Let us all remember a time when Star Wars wasn't ****.


Mission going side-eyed _sploooosh_ in the background.
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Good night, Taris.

Good night, janitor. Good night, exotic dancer. Good night, undercity travelers.

[Oyster Sauce]

@Stanko

[Tangerine]

It crashed on me a lot, so I took a short break to get the DX:IW badge. Finally finished it, though.

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Time


Dual pistols are not very good against Malak. Had to improvise. Fortunately, I had enough landmines on me that I was a walking war crime.


The Chinaman is now ruler of the Sith Empire.


In an evil playthrough, it was funny seeing the gymnastics the writers had to go do to make the characters not abandon you the first opportunity they got. I wish more games had the balls to let party members ditch or even fight you if they disagreed with what you stood for.

[J1M]

Kudos to the writers for this one. Dark side is legitimately tempting and scarcity of light side points makes it easier to fall (but I didn't do that this time around because I wanted to see how things were different). I also think the lightsaber crystals are the right type of crafting. You never lose materials, you can try out various configurations, it feels good to find the upgrades.

Haven't played this since release, I had forgotten how complex some of the scripting was for things like side quests. Especially in comparison to what we have coming out today.

Intentionally avoided levelling up until after becoming a Jedi. I didn't realize I'd end up with something like +20 blaster bolt deflection, so I would probably have taken some slightly different feats to optimize the character a little more (+1 all saves). But I think scout was the right call for the first two levels due to better saves and the implant access.

[J1M]

Can anyone explain the technical reason for this bug?

If you have a monitor with a higher refresh rate than 60hz your currently selected character will no longer be able to move around after combat ends. But only on certain maps. And the rest of the game continues to function. You can swap characters to continue. Or even move the stuck character by selecting a door.

A poor workaround is to save and load the game. The better workaround is to set your monitor refresh rate to 60hz.

Very curious what kind of assumptions during engine development could have caused this. It also exists in KOTOR 2 but is more annoying due to the longer stretch of playing solo.

[rusty_shackleford]

Can anyone explain the technical reason for this bug?

If you have a monitor with a higher refresh rate than 60hz your currently selected character will no longer be able to move around after combat ends. But only on certain maps. And the rest of the game continues to function. You can swap characters to continue. Or even move the stuck character by selecting a door.

A poor workaround is to save and load the game. The better workaround is to set your monitor refresh rate to 60hz.

Very curious what kind of assumptions during engine development could have caused this. It also exists in KOTOR 2 but is more annoying due to the longer stretch of playing solo.

gameloop tied to refresh rate

[J1M]

Can anyone explain the technical reason for this bug?

If you have a monitor with a higher refresh rate than 60hz your currently selected character will no longer be able to move around after combat ends. But only on certain maps. And the rest of the game continues to function. You can swap characters to continue. Or even move the stuck character by selecting a door.

A poor workaround is to save and load the game. The better workaround is to set your monitor refresh rate to 60hz.

Very curious what kind of assumptions during engine development could have caused this. It also exists in KOTOR 2 but is more annoying due to the longer stretch of playing solo.

gameloop tied to refresh rate

But why only an issue after combat ends and only for movement on one character?

[rusty_shackleford]

Can anyone explain the technical reason for this bug?

If you have a monitor with a higher refresh rate than 60hz your currently selected character will no longer be able to move around after combat ends. But only on certain maps. And the rest of the game continues to function. You can swap characters to continue. Or even move the stuck character by selecting a door.

A poor workaround is to save and load the game. The better workaround is to set your monitor refresh rate to 60hz.

Very curious what kind of assumptions during engine development could have caused this. It also exists in KOTOR 2 but is more annoying due to the longer stretch of playing solo.

gameloop tied to refresh rate

But why only an issue after combat ends and only for movement on one character?

probably something silly causing it, some check skipped over when the game loop runs too fast or something

[Tangerine]

Can anyone explain the technical reason for this bug?

If you have a monitor with a higher refresh rate than 60hz your currently selected character will no longer be able to move around after combat ends. But only on certain maps. And the rest of the game continues to function. You can swap characters to continue. Or even move the stuck character by selecting a door.

A poor workaround is to save and load the game. The better workaround is to set your monitor refresh rate to 60hz.

Very curious what kind of assumptions during engine development could have caused this. It also exists in KOTOR 2 but is more annoying due to the longer stretch of playing solo.

gameloop tied to refresh rate

But why only an issue after combat ends and only for movement on one character?

Do you have vsync enabled? I know it doesn't answer the why question, but I ran into that issue and I believe toggling that fixed it for me.

[J1M]

gameloop tied to refresh rate

But why only an issue after combat ends and only for movement on one character?

Do you have vsync enabled? I know it doesn't answer the why question, but I ran into that issue and I believe toggling that fixed it for me.

The question is more about game development. I already finished the game.

[Tangerine]

But why only an issue after combat ends and only for movement on one character?

Do you have vsync enabled? I know it doesn't answer the why question, but I ran into that issue and I believe toggling that fixed it for me.

The question is more about game development. I already finished the game.

My guess is there's some input state logic that's tied to the frame-rate that runs faster than the battle logic. When the battle ends, the game is doing its cleanup, but the input state switch is attempted before the cleanup is over. The game thinks you're still in battle and fails out of switching the input state to non-combat mode. The reason you get stuck in that input state is right after that you're no longer in the battle state and the input logic is checking to see if you're in battle before allowing the switch.

[Roderick]

Badge it

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Malak such a little *****

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[Eyestabber]

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Next badge: KOTOR. Can't find any old saves to load, so take a quick guess as to which alignment this fine gentleman is going to follow.

[Tangerine]

Next badge: KOTOR. Can't find any old saves to load, so take a quick guess as to which alignment this fine gentleman is going to follow.

Lightside because you're a nice fellow who likes doing the right thing?

[Statesman]

Next badge: KOTOR. Can't find any old saves to load, so take a quick guess as to which alignment this fine gentleman is going to follow.

Darkside because Force Lightning/Storm is a quick way to handle everything in-game(+fun dialogue choices)?

[Eyestabber]

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Meeting Bastila for the first time. My guy is the embodiment of what women want AND I installed the Bastila DS romance mod, so this gunna be gud.

Next badge: KOTOR. Can't find any old saves to load, so take a quick guess as to which alignment this fine gentleman is going to follow.

Darkside because Force Lightning/Storm is a quick way to handle everything in-game(+fun dialogue choices)?

Half right. But srsly, does that look like the stat distribution of a consular? Nah.

[Eyestabber]

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It has come to Mr. Rape's attention that the yellow fields of Dantooine were on the verge of being tainted with the sin of race mixing. A lot is said about coal burners, but people sometimes forget oil drilling is just as bad, if not worse since men are sentient creatures. FORTUNATELY for Dantooine's demographics, Mr. Rape knew exactly what to say in a tense situation.

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After that everyone shot each other dead and no race mixing occurred, thank God. Don't cry for the Sandrals and Matales, men, for the alternative was this:

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[J1M]

Next badge: KOTOR. Can't find any old saves to load, so take a quick guess as to which alignment this fine gentleman is going to follow.

Darkside because Force Lightning/Storm is a quick way to handle everything in-game(+fun dialogue choices)?

Isn't Force Push equally powerful?

[Statesman]

Half right. But srsly, does that look like the stat distribution of a consular? Nah.

Honestly, I skipped reading those

Isn't Force Push equally powerful?

I wouldn't say so. Force Storm has more damage potential (10-60 at level 18+ vs Force Wave doing 30 at 20) and a better damage type (Electrical vs Bludgeoning). A lot of enemies resist the Wave stun/knockdown, while Storm drains enemy Force Points regardless of resistances. AoE-wise, Wave is centered on your character, while Storm is centered on your target. If you really wanted to min-max, there are better Force Powers anyway but the game is so easy that bothering with it isn't really worth it.

[J1M]

Played the game twice. Force Wave seemed better. Against groups, 30 damage is better than an average of 35 damage because things will die at the same time. The stun is basically the same as deleting an enemy. If stun isn't working it could be an issue with character stats.

Dark side dialog choices are funnier though.

[logincrash]

Having a Jedi with maxed out Stun in your party is Easy Mode. You can clear entire rooms full of enemies with Mass Stun + Force Wave combo with a melee DPS taking out the stunned mobs in 1-2 hits.

[J1M]

True, but when I said stun I meant the knockdown built into push.

[Eyestabber]

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Finally I acquired the most powerful loot in the galaxy: Bastila's pussy. Women can't resist a gray faced guy and Sith themed pajamas are like lingerie, but for men. Bastila stood no chance. In fact, if you replay KOTOR knowing that Bastila is a teenage girl going around the galaxy in the company of the BADDEST BADBOY in the known universe while desperately trying to resist the urge to jump on his ****, the entirety of your early interactions with her make perfect sense. Wish I knew how to mod so I could change the cutscene to have my guy force choking her as foreplay. Anyway, riding my **** was her destiny.

[Statesman]

Played the game twice. Force Wave seemed better. Against groups, 30 damage is better than an average of 35 damage because things will die at the same time. The stun is basically the same as deleting an enemy. If stun isn't working it could be an issue with character stats.

Wave uses Reflex Saves and enemies can be immune to the stun/knockdown regardless of stat allocation. Pair that with the damage having to go through common resistances, you'll end up having to spam Wave a lot more to match Force Storm output. Plus picking it prevents you from using Force Whirlwind, which is great to handle bosses.

Now, if your initial premise had been "Which single force power can carry me through the whole game?" instead of "Isn't Force Push equally powerful?", I'd be inclined to agree with it.

[Eyestabber]

*******, Malak is immune to all and any forms of CC, which is why I went guardian pure melee. KOTOR 2 is much better in that regard and terror is the MvP spell in both games since will tends to be the weakest save for 99% of enemies.

[logincrash]

*******, Malak is immune to all and any forms of CC, which is why I went guardian pure melee. KOTOR 2 is much better in that regard and terror is the MvP spell in both games since will tends to be the weakest save for 99% of enemies.

I am genuinely unsure if I'm just injecting false memories into my recollection of the game, but I think I stunned him with the Stasis power (or whatever it was called - it had a purple crackling field effect) when playing with my pure melee Guardian.

[Eyestabber]

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Well guys, the big moment is here. The real Darth Revan was inside us all along <3. I'm gonna be honest: back in the day, well...WAAAAAY back in the day when I first played KOTOR I never saw the big twist coming. Sure I found it odd that the old guy says "what if we train you and the Dark Lord returns??" but I brushed it off as the stick up his *** poking his brain. The Revan reveal holds a place in my memory as one of the best "WOOOAAAAH" moments in my gaming career.

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Boy, if only she knew how bad things will get...

[Eyestabber]

Landed on the Star Forge System, slaughtered a bunch of stupid aliens. They invited me to meet their leader, I said "no, u die" and killed them all. Then went into their enclave to finish the job. In my head cannon Revan killed their women and children offscreen. Anyway:

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Cringe ritual, did temple, found Bastila. Now that she is Goth and edgy we can finally be together:

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But suddenly:

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"Bla bla bla, Dark Side, bla". My answer was "lol, gay".

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Goth GF aproves. Now, the sad part:

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I had a special place for Mission in my future Sith Rape Harem, but she decided to go full Gandhi so she met the fate befitting all street shitters. Anyway, the female thirst for blood and violence has been sated. You know Revan got laid hard during that trip to the Forge.

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"I'm totally banging that"

Boarded the Station and proceeded to make Malak my ***** several times since I had no force power capable of preventing Malak from engaging in necrophilia with the Jedi. It's fine, *** whooping multiple times was very relaxing.

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***** status: CONFIRMED. That's what you get for beating Bastila. That's my thing!

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NOW THE GALAXY IS MINE!!! Go forth and rape, my minions, your Lord commands it! RAPE IS NOW LEGAL IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY, LET NO FEMOID REMAIN UNCLAIMED, suffer not the libtard to live. All things are as they should be. I am the Dark Lord and Bastila loves me with the purest form of love there is: that of a cumslut to her MASTER!

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And don't you ever forget it, hole.

[Statesman]

*******, Malak is immune to all and any forms of CC, which is why I went guardian pure melee. KOTOR 2 is much better in that regard and terror is the MvP spell in both games since will tends to be the weakest save for 99% of enemies.

Malak isn't immune to all forms of CC.

I am genuinely unsure if I'm just injecting false memories into my recollection of the game, but I think I stunned him with the Stasis power (or whatever it was called - it had a purple crackling field effect) when playing with my pure melee Guardian.

You could have caught Malak before he used Force Immunity and/or used Force Breach to bring down his saves to manageable levels...or maybe you weren't playing as a pure melee Guardian.

[Norfleet]

*******, Malak is immune to all and any forms of CC, which is why I went guardian pure melee. KOTOR 2 is much better in that regard and terror is the MvP spell in both games since will tends to be the weakest save for 99% of enemies.

Malak isn't immune to all forms of CC.

He doesn't have absolute immunity, but as is typical of d20 with save-or-die powers, either you've pumped your save DCs to the stratosphere and therefore no enemy in the game can withstand them and they instakill everything, or they're completely useless.