Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is a Return To Form

[Rand]

That's even for current year journos extreme

"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is a triumphant return to form for one of gaming's most loved developers."

"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is a triumph for BioWare in practically every way. "

"This is the best Dragon Age, and perhaps BioWare, has ever been."

"After such an agonising wait, the franchise I adore is back as strong as ever."

"Dragon Age: The Veilguard certainly closes a chapter for Dragon Age as a whole. But one can’t help but look more brightly at the future, one where Bioware has seemingly broke a curse it has been shackled with for years."

"With Dragon Age: The Veilguard, BioWare manages to bring the series into the present: great technology, excellent playability, engaging story and characters and, above all, fantastic action combat make for an outstanding modern role-playing game."

"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is a must-have RPG this holiday season. There is so much that Veilguard brings to the table that it's hard to find something to dislike. "

"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is one of the best RPGs I've played in years,"

All of them translated into truth as spoken by a human:
"I am a ******, devoid of morals, a pathetic coward, or mesmerized by a demented ideology (or some combination of the above) and so am lying about the quality of this game because my standards are deranged and corrupt."

[Rand]

Whoever is at Fextralife, they have a point worth listening to.
(I believe some of the people there may just be gamers after all, with looser morals than mine, but not incompatible. They saved some game forums that EA was going to delete. They didn't have to do that and I doubt it makes them money.)

[Rand]

From SkillUp's review, which is pretty strongly against this turd of a game:

The dialogue is written like HR is next to the characters and watching them closely.

[BlueMemphis]

Long have i feared this day and it is somehow even more cringey then i could ever have imagined.

Apparently the ***** for roleplay are quite extensive though, enough to make a journo cry during a quest where a ***** character meets…her…him…xir parents so maybe i should just accept ***** is the new rpg.

[cleansingcarnage]

>boot up dark fantasy RPG
>ready to get lost in a realized world, cleaving the skulls of my foes and facing tough moral choices between idealism and pragmatism
>art and story are like a Pixar movie
>meet Taash
>Taash is written as average sh*tlib on twitter, her only character traits are HD LGTV talking points
>can't disagree with Taash, can't even choose not to recruit Taash
>most meaningful choice game will give me is whether or not to come out as *****
>uninstall game, unplug computer and give it to poor kid down the street
>take up woodworking

[A Chinese opium den]

Guys I'm starting to think this game we all knew was going to be bad since it was announced might be bad now that its out. Probably we need 15 more pages tomorrow to decide if thats true or not though.

[Oyster Sauce]

Taash is my favorite character so far

[Breathe]

Just as bad as we were all predicting. Even Shill Up is ******** on it.

[1998]

Considering writing a review as well. Not that any of these ******* actually played the game before handing out 100/100 ratings.

[UltraFan123]

Long have i feared this day and it is somehow even more cringey then i could ever have imagined.

Apparently the ***** for roleplay are quite extensive though, enough to make a journo cry during a quest where a ***** character meets…her…him…xir parents so maybe i should just accept ***** is the new rpg.

It's understandable to have bleak projections of the future, but we must always keep in mind that the ones who decide what is successful and what isn't is us and nobody else. Not the devs, not the journos, not the malicious billionaires backing them up, not their "allies" on social media, the power is all ours as the customer just like it has always been.

[Lyx0081]

****. I still wanted to pirate this game to see it all by myself. But now I don't even want to waste space on my pc on that trash.
I don't think it could even be saved by mods (the whole game would have to be remade and cleansed from this woke trash)
RIP dragon age. Everything went downhill after Origins. Sad to see it die like this

[Oyster Sauce]

Literally don't think I've seen another RPG on this website that so many people were excited to play

[Rand]

Again:

If I was in charge at Bioware, I'd disavow all games after Origins and make a new Dragon Age 2 (but call it something else) where Kirkwall and Orlais get decimated by the blight after Origins because of the scheming backbiting of Orlais and their nobles couldn't get their **** together and the rest of the world hates those *******.
Game 3 would be a super blight on the Qunari lands (that they caused by their own Qun stupidity) where you have to eventually join with the Tevinter mages left and genocide the commies to stop the blighted horde from becoming a critical mass.

Just burn the faggotry to the ground and relish the cries and tears of the freaks.

Games of the year for their respective years, I'd imagine.

From my earlier post ( viewtopic.php?p=146278-dragon-age-veilg ... lf#p146278 )

[RangerBoo]

Telling you guys, this is going to be the 2024 Game Awards GOTY. You laugh now but just wait. It will win GOTY cause these game journoscum need to give everyone, especially men, a "**** YOU!" this year because we all know why.

[1998]

Telling you guys, this is going to be the 2024 Game Awards GOTY. You laugh now but just wait. It will win GOTY cause these game journoscum need to give everyone, especially men, a "**** YOU!" this year because we all know why.

I don't think that is even controversial at this point. Unless I forgot some major release earlier this year, there is no actual contender for GOTY.

[UltraFan123]

Again, if TloU2 "beat" Ghost of Tsushima in 2020 - I'm aware GoT still had faggotry in it but it was still infinitely better than golfer-killer simulator - then there's no way an objectively good game will "defeat" Veilguard this year.

[RangerBoo]

I don't think that is even controversial at this point. Unless I forgot some major release earlier this year, there is no actual contender for GOTY.

The safe bet would have been Astro Bot. Keighly is a Sony **** sucker and this game would have been the GOTY if not for Dragon Age. To be fair there isn't really anything offensive about Astro Bot. It is a cute little platformer that is a celebration of Sony and their games. A safe and uncontroversial GOTY. However, with it looking more and more like Trump is going to be allowed to win the election these ******* need to give themselves some kind of victory to keep the hope alive that their ideology isn't going the way of the dodo. They need to give those evil, white male gamers who voted for Trump a final "**** YOU!". This years Game Awards is literally going to be "She cries out in pain as she strikes you".

[logincrash]

Taash? More like Traash, amirite?

[RangerBoo]

Taash? More like Traash, amirite?

Speaking of that character, EA could give so little of a **** about this game that they misgendered Traash.

I have a feeling that EA knows that this game will bomb and they are just going to have it be a tax write off. They could, literally, give a **** about this game or Bioware at this point. Bioware is just a money sink for EA now. This could be the excuse EA are looking for to get rid of them.

[1998]

Taash? More like Traash, amirite?

Speaking of that character, EA could give so little of a **** about this game that they misgendered Traash.

I have a feeling that EA knows that this game will bomb and they are just going to have it be a tax write off. They could, literally, give a **** about this game or Bioware at this point. Bioware is just a money sink for EA now. This could be the excuse EA are looking for to get rid of them.

Sure it will bomb, but it will probably sell just enough copies for IGN and the rest of the writers mob to pretend it was a smashing success. It sadly won't reach Concord levels of low

[RangerBoo]

Sure it will bomb, but it will probably sell just enough copies for IGN and the rest of the writers mob to pretend it was a smashing success. It sadly won't reach Concord levels of low

Here is the thing. It was never going to fail as bad as Concord. Concord was a new IP while Dragon Age is a name recognized IP. For as much as we all hated Inquisition the game was popular at the time with normies. Helped that it came out when social justice and LGBTQ politics were popular and at its peak. Now though there is so much working against the games favor. DEI and LGBTQ politics are increasingly unpopular. The demographic that primarily plays video games, i.e men, are the most conservative in regards to their politics since the 80's. Everyone now has gay, ****** and ****** fatigue including racial minorities. The only thing Veilguard has going for it is name recognition. Even then I have a strong feeling that the game won't sell as well as Inquisition which was Bioware's most sold title. I am going to be generous and say the game sells 10 million copies. While these aren't bad numbers I need to remind people that this game has been in development for almost 10 years. There is no doubt that the game has a cost of over 200 million. EA needed this game to sell more then Inquisition in order to recoup the loss. EA was also hoping that this game would do better than Baldur's Gate 3 and I don't see that happening.

[1998]

Sure it will bomb, but it will probably sell just enough copies for IGN and the rest of the writers mob to pretend it was a smashing success. It sadly won't reach Concord levels of low

Here is the thing. It was never going to fail as bad as Concord. Concord was a new IP while Dragon Age is a name recognized IP. For as much as we all hated Inquisition the game was popular at the time with normies. Helped that it came out when social justice and LGBTQ politics were popular and at its peak. Now though there is so much working against the games favor. DEI and LGBTQ politics are increasingly unpopular. The demographic that primarily plays video games, i.e men, are the most conservative in regards to their politics since the 80's. Everyone now has gay, ****** and ****** fatigue including racial minorities. The only thing Veilguard has going for it is name recognition. Even then I have a strong feeling that the game won't sell as well as Inquisition which was Bioware's most sold title. I am going to be generous and say the game sells 10 million copies. While these aren't bad numbers I need to remind people that this game has been in development for almost 10 years. There is no doubt that the game has a cost of over 200 million. EA needed this game to sell more then Inquisition in order to recoup the loss. EA was hoping that this game would do better than Baldur's Gate 3 and I don't see that happening.

No ******* way. Not even close. Cyberpunk had 13M at launch, at that was on top of Wishlist/Best Sellers for basically years.

[RangerBoo]

No ******* way. Not even close. Cyberpunk had 13M at launch, at that was on top of Wishlist/Best Sellers for basically years.

And it got that due to the good will that people had with CDProjektRed and with how well received the Witcher games were. Bioware does not have that. Bioware ****** away their good will with Mass Effect 3 and every game after Inquisition has been bomb after bomb. Hell, Andromeda did so bad that they didn't even bother to release the planned DLC for the game. Again, Bioware has a lot going against them with this game.

[gerey]

Not everyone that wishlisted the game is actually going to buy it. I recall one indie dev mentioning that 1/3 of the people that wishlisted a game buying his game on launch to be a good thing. Most games don't even hit that lofty milestone. Gamers have been conditioned to wait for a sale or discount, especially if they have other titles to play, aren't that hyped about the game that they have to play it now, or it's not a multiplayer game and they're not going to miss out on the crucial early launch window to stay competitive.

Also, for a major EA release, and a Dragon Age title at that, to be the #25 most wishlisted game this close to launch, despite there being no other noteworthy big release to contend with, is telling.

Like RangerBoo said, it probably won't do as badly as Concord, but I can picture it doing as badly as Forspoken did (so around 15,000 peak players), which did so horribly the studio shut down. Once word of mouth spreads about just how utterly **** the game is, sales will dry up pretty fast.

[RangerBoo]

Not everyone that wishlisted the game is actually going to buy it. I recall one indie dev mentioning that 1/3 of the people that wishlisted a game buying his game on launch to be a good thing. Most games don't even hit that lofty milestone. Gamers have been conditioned to wait for a sale or discount, especially if they have other titles to play, aren't that hyped about the game that they have to play it now, or it's not a multiplayer game and they're not going to miss out on the crucial early launch window to stay competitive.

Also, for a major EA release, and a Dragon Age title at that, to be the #25 most wishlisted game this close to launch, despite there being no other noteworthy big release to contend with, is telling.

Like RangerBoo said, it probably won't do as badly as Concord, but I can picture it doing as badly as Forspoken did (so around 15,000 peak players), which did so horribly the studio shut down. Once word of mouth spreads about just how utterly **** the game is, sales will dry up pretty fast.

Again, EA and Bioware wanted (and needed) this game to do around Baldur's Gate 3's numbers. Baldur's Gate 3 had almost 900,000 players on Steam at its peak. One must remember that Baldur's Gate 3 had one thing going against it which was that it was a PC exclusive in its first month but the game did well regardless. Veilguard will be released on PC, Xbox and PlayStation on launch and even then I think the game would be lucky to peak at 50k on PC alone and with maybe another 100-150k players on both PlayStation and Xbox combined. These are terrible numbers to what both EA and Bioware were hoping to get during development.

[1998]

Alright boys, place your bets.

I am going with 21,164 peak players on Steam

[Ty6]

Larian sold out https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-ag ... nts-to-be/

[PixiGreen]

Afaik, EA gives the game for free with NVidia Go. That will boost numbers.

P.S. Sad about Larian but publishing chief Michael Douse is not Swen Vincke. Have to say, he is not entirely wrong (the publisher chief), the "game truly knows what it wants to be".

To be completely fair, this is what he said:

"I'll always be a Dragon Age: Origins guy, and this is not that," Douse said. "But at least it’s something it wants to be, and not a mishmash of everything. I respect that."

Douse was careful to say that his comments are directed at any Baldur's Gate 3 fans wondering if they'd find something to like in The Veilguard. "I’m just a dev-adjacent man happy to play a new DA and happy the team—ostensibly—will get to make more," he said."

[RangerBoo]

Alright boys, place your bets.

I am going with 21,164 peak players on Steam

40k-50k is my bet. Name recognition as well as normies liking Inquisition will help the games numbers somewhat but not enough to make the game the success that EA and Bioware need it to be.

[UltraFan123]

What I actually set my watch for is for both the oceans of copium that the journos will flood their websites with all the "this game was such a huge success!" takes that will be eventually followed by the "gamers are so heartless and evil!" takes once the company who made this game tanks for good.