Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is a Return To Form

[Irenaeus]

Guy on the rIght one reminds me of my arm muscles, except my shoulders are bigger and glutes are way more developed. I dont think he did a single squat in his life.

[Atlantico]

In a series full of iconic old characters and Grey Wardens that would be all over this ****, we instead have the alphabet brown Tumblr corps nobody has ever heard of where the main character is some guy you meet in a random bar.

It's a clown show. Not even worth pirating to cringe at.

In principle I don't have anything against anthologies. A random new adventure in a new place with new people. Sounds good to me.

(granted the new characters cannot be tumblerinas)

But this game isn't even that. You still have the same-ish plot as the last two games. There's the bald ****** elf, and the ****** dwarf, who will hold your hand as narrators through the game. You know there's going to be "red lyrium" somewhere. There will be massive faggotry and troonism. Everything will be stupid. So thematically I think this fits right in with DA2 and DAI.

[Trickster]

In a woke fantasy world of endless diversity, you can be anyone. Except normal women.

[Element]

This is just my Steam wishlist of unbought games releasing in the past 2 months:

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Hollowbody

Can't recommend it. Beyond the superficial ps2 era charm, it's quite a bland, boring experience that is capped off with a handful of ridiculous endings.

[Irenaeus]

In a woke fantasy world of endless diversity, you can be anyone. Except normal women.

I dont think you can be a knight in shining armor either

[GalwainOthmark]

Somehow we lived long enough to see korean copy-pasted dolls absolutely mog western designs and aesthetics. ******* grim.

[UltraFan123]

In a woke fantasy world of endless diversity, you can be anyone. Except normal women.

I dont think you can be a knight in shining armor either

Yeah, leftards detest the idea of being good and are too ******** to understand why anyone would like the side of good. Like how the developer of that indie superwoke game "Caves of Qud" who made an in-story templars faction that he tried to portray as "bad" but people ended up unironically liking.

[Reichspepe]

I've been lurking this forum for a bit. The past few days, I've developed a morbid fascination with this game's release, and I've come across a few things I thought I would share with you guys in the chance you haven't seen it yet.

First of all, apart from the fact that the general aesthetic and branding of the game should be unappealing to anyone who isn't a deranged ***** like the "people" who made it, this is the most damning thing I've seen about it yet (from some gaming rag):

Now, Patrick Weekes (Lead Writer at BioWare on the Dragon Age franchise since David Gaider's departure) has provided a more detailed explanation of this choice, as spotted by Twitter user Hrungr.

Blood Magic is unlikely (editor's note: even in future games for player characters) because we've shifted it from a power boost to really being the key to a lot of nasty stuff we aren't interested in having the heroes do. I think it can be ethically neutral if you only use your own blood, but after seeing it used as a required part of mind control and demon binding in Dragon Age 2 and Dragon Age Inquisition, it's just not a road we want the hero to walk right now.

The importance of that obviously isn't that anyone should give a **** about blood magic, but that the general design philosophy in play here precludes the "heroes" from doing things that aren't "ethically neutral", because the devs have decided it's a bridge too far in a series where you could previously trade the souls of young children to demons or own slaves.

Second, you've probably heard that you can no longer control companions at all in the game, that it's cloned God of War 2018 combat, and that the level design is completely on rails linear in the style of Mass Effect missions. This obviously limits exploration, but what's even worse is that each companion has their own unique environmental exploration ability that will be necessary to unlock various off-limits areas in the mission that are hard coded to them. So, whereas a pillar of RPG design (in my opinion) has traditionally been that you use planning and foresight to build your characters and party in a way that anticipates environment exploration, and distributing abilities and resources accordingly so that you're able to deal with things organically as they come up, now there's no choice or planning at all in what exploration does still exist.

They've made it completely arbitrary and meaningless. You no longer bring your skill monkeys at your discretion in order to pick a lock or break down a door, you will just run into things that only one character can open and are made to backtrack with the "right" character in your party if they don't happen to already be there.

And last, in case you decide you are repulsed by the obviously repulsive characters, and choose not to romance any, they will instead romance each other AND involve you in it by asking you for romantic advice. The known example is the couple of Taash and Harding, so you can look forward to booting up a dark fantasy RPG only to be asked to help an androgynous african Qunari **** a ginger dwarf with an adam's apple. This "game" is a gay **** simulator.

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm following the release with some amount of interest because, even beyond how gay and brown it is, I think it will be like a case study in anti-game design. Everything that I see about it is somehow worse than the last, and the amount of insane game design decisions they appear to have made is nothing less than fascinating.

A surprise post to be sure, but a welcome one. I will watch your career with great interest

[Rand]

androgynous african QunarI

Sexually confused and perverted Indian Qunari.

[rusty_shackleford]

saaarrr we are warrior race sarrrrr

[logincrash]

saaarrr we are warrior race sarrrrr

"Saar" does kinda sound like some made up word in the Qunari language.

[Envergence]

saaarrr we are warrior race sarrrrr

"Saar" does kinda sound like some made up word in the Qunari language.

It is. It means "dangerous."

[logincrash]

saaarrr we are warrior race sarrrrr

"Saar" does kinda sound like some made up word in the Qunari language.

It is. It means "dangerous."

Holy ****, I completely forgot about Saarebases.
LMAO

[DDC]

This is just my Steam wishlist of unbought games releasing in the past 2 months:

...
Hollowbody

Can't recommend it. Beyond the superficial ps2 era charm, it's quite a bland, boring experience that is capped off with a handful of ridiculous endings.

That just makes me want to play it though.

[W1llus]

In a woke fantasy world of endless diversity, you can be anyone. Except normal women.

Why have we allowed ******** into game dev positions on a mission to make the ugliest woman imaginable? The absolute state of gaming.

[WaterMage]

We could organize the following. At day 31, everyone here should play Origins.

If everyone here logs into Origins, we can boost Origins player count. We need to make Origins have more active players than Failguard!!! Origins has 1118 players > https://steamcharts.com/app/47810 Lets try to make it have at least 10k.

[UltraFan123]

In a woke fantasy world of endless diversity, you can be anyone. Except normal women.

Why have we allowed ******** into game dev positions on a mission to make the ugliest woman imaginable? The absolute state of gaming.

The sad reality of our world is that at the end of the day the only ones who actually can truly gatekeep are the ones who own these studios and IPs. We are obviously the ones who decide if what they make is successful or not, but if the studios want to keep hiring incompetent individuals and make unplayable stuff then it keeps being their decision.

[1998]

We could organize the following. At day 31, everyone here should play Origins.

If everyone here logs into Origins, we can boost Origins player count. We need to make Origins have more active players than Failguard!!! Origins has 1118 players > https://steamcharts.com/app/47810 Lets try to make it have at least 10k.

Then do your part and vote for it in the AG

[Roguey]

Brief video showcasing a scene where your character either encourages multiculturalism or sympathizes with how hard it is to be from a mixed background.

https://f.rpghq.org/mBJ4msEcMSCG.mp4?n=ttxre2.mp4

Additionally, the vocal and animation performance ping gay as all hell. You cannot play a straight man in Veilguard.

[Envergence]

The amount of auto-dialogue in this game is so off-putting and discouraging. I thought ME3 was egregiously bad about it, but this might be worse. I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.

This, plus not carrying over any decisions from the previous games--outside of three insignificant choices from Inquisition--make me question what the developers were thinking. They spew out excuses to justify their "creative" decisions for the narrative (along with trying to use "muh lore" to justify the goofy enemy redesigns, lmao), but if the story and RP aren't good enough for these design choices to pay off, then they alienated a large portion of their original fan base for nothing.

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

[rusty_shackleford]

Brief video showcasing a scene where your character either encourages multiculturalism or sympathizes with how hard it is to be from a mixed background.

https://f.rpghq.org/mBJ4msEcMSCG.mp4?n=ttxre2.mp4

Additionally, the vocal and animation performance ping gay as all hell. You cannot play a straight man in Veilguard.

Lmao the dialogue wheel. Even bethesda stopped using it after fo4 was widely **** on for it, and bethesda almost never learns from feedback. Same deal with voiced protagonist.

[PixiGreen]

I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.
...

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

You mean, you are going to buy it?

You do you, of course, but... This is not DA. Bad woke personal fanfic of a freshly ***** director who changed gender during production. The lore is gone, the history of previous games is thrown away, the gameplay is "borrowed" from an unrelated game, the focus is on the complex relationships with and between woke companions, the graphic is disgusting with a pallet taken from alphabet flag, etc., etc.

What do you hope to find there?

[ArcaneLurker]

Brief video showcasing a scene where your character either encourages multiculturalism or sympathizes with how hard it is to be from a mixed background.

https://f.rpghq.org/mBJ4msEcMSCG.mp4?n=ttxre2.mp4

Additionally, the vocal and animation performance ping gay as all hell. You cannot play a straight man in Veilguard.

Enough coal to power America for millions of years.

[UltraFan123]

I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.
...

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

You mean, you are going to buy it?

You do you, of course, but... This is not DA. Bad woke personal fanfic of a freshly ***** director who changed gender during production. The lore is gone, the history of previous games is thrown away, the gameplay is "borrowed" from an unrelated game, the focus is on the complex relationships with and between woke companions, the graphic is disgusting with a pallet taken from alphabet flag, etc., etc.

What do you hope to find there?

Precisely this.

These "games" are nothing more than the personal therapy sessions of mentally ill individuals - and I use "therapy" loosely here since these ****** never intend to actually better themselves at all - who were placed at the top of game dev studios cuz of nepotism, and on top of that, they expect everyone to celebrate them and give them money for trying to use these games to justify their ****** life decisions.

Legit, you can find better conclusions to the Dragon Age story in fanfics written by people who actually like the setting.

[Envergence]

I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.
...

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

You mean, you are going to buy it?

You do you, of course, but... This is not DA. Bad woke personal fanfic of a freshly ***** director who changed gender during production. The lore is gone, the history of previous games is thrown away, the gameplay is "borrowed" from an unrelated game, the focus is on the complex relationships with and between woke companions, the graphic is disgusting with a pallet taken from alphabet flag, etc., etc.

What do you hope to find there?

No, I established in an earlier post that I'm going to pirate it, lol. I'm painfully aware of all the awfulness behind it which is precisely why I won't be giving them my money. Modern BioWare is hot garbage.

Edit: And I really just want some adventures with the few companions I might like. At this point, I just want to see if there is anything salvageable or redeemable about it. Hopeful about the former, but doubtful about the latter due to DEI.

[cleansingcarnage]

The amount of auto-dialogue in this game is so off-putting and discouraging. I thought ME3 was egregiously bad about it, but this might be worse. I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.

This, plus not carrying over any decisions from the previous games--outside of three insignificant choices from Inquisition--make me question what the developers were thinking. They spew out excuses to justify their "creative" decisions for the narrative (along with trying to use "muh lore" to justify the goofy enemy redesigns, lmao), but if the story and RP aren't good enough for these design choices to pay off, then they alienated a large portion of their original fan base for nothing.

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

What were they thinking? That's easy to answer. EA was thinking, as it always does, that it needs to chase the money by following trends.

EA was thinking, "hey, hero-based live service games are making the most money in the industry right now. Make the new Dragon Age that. Alright, that isn't working... well God of War 2018 made a lot of money, make it that."

The "people" at Bioware in charge of making creative decisions about the game are literally just thinking about how they can make it more gay as some kind of moral imperative. That's all they care about because the scope of their awareness doesn't contain anything other than queering up fantasy fiction.

The Bioware devs were thinking, "How do I make a character who is like Phoebe Waller-Bridge from Fleabag, non-binary, and black or biracial (in skin tone but not culturally, since that wouldn't fit in a fantasy setting)?"

That last one is not hyperbole, that is almost a direct quote from Patrick Weekes.

[Envergence]

The amount of auto-dialogue in this game is so off-putting and discouraging. I thought ME3 was egregiously bad about it, but this might be worse. I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.

This, plus not carrying over any decisions from the previous games--outside of three insignificant choices from Inquisition--make me question what the developers were thinking. They spew out excuses to justify their "creative" decisions for the narrative (along with trying to use "muh lore" to justify the goofy enemy redesigns, lmao), but if the story and RP aren't good enough for these design choices to pay off, then they alienated a large portion of their original fan base for nothing.

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

That last one is not hyperbole, that is almost a direct quote from Patrick Weekes.

Words cannot properly express how much I resent Patrick Weekes specifically. The ****** who worked on Sims 4 is awful for obvious reasons, but he's a recent addition. Weekes has been actively ruining the series since he was brought on and given so much liberty to hijack and ruin the story and lore. It seems no one ever told him no, and I just don't understand why. Him playing the "non-binary" card is recent, and its purpose is clearly to serve as a social shield and badge of authority so that he can keep doing anything he wants, free of any and all criticism.

Also, on social media he types like a teenager; middle-aged people who type like teenagers are inherently predatory. The purpose of typing that way is to lure in the youth. Call this a ****** theory if you want, but I sincerely believe this. I think that kind of typing from any adult, but especially middle-aged ones, should automatically set off red flags.

[UltraFan123]

The amount of auto-dialogue in this game is so off-putting and discouraging. I thought ME3 was egregiously bad about it, but this might be worse. I hope we can at least control the tone of it in the same vein as DA2 (i.e. your most-picked attitude determines the tone of the auto-dialogue), but I'm not optimistic at all.

This, plus not carrying over any decisions from the previous games--outside of three insignificant choices from Inquisition--make me question what the developers were thinking. They spew out excuses to justify their "creative" decisions for the narrative (along with trying to use "muh lore" to justify the goofy enemy redesigns, lmao), but if the story and RP aren't good enough for these design choices to pay off, then they alienated a large portion of their original fan base for nothing.

Only time will tell, and I'm running out of copium.

That last one is not hyperbole, that is almost a direct quote from Patrick Weekes.

Words cannot properly express how much I resent Patrick Weekes specifically. The ****** who worked on Sims 4 is awful for obvious reasons, but he's a recent addition. Weekes has been actively ruining the series since he was brought on and given so much liberty to hijack and ruin the story and lore. It seems no one ever told him no, and I just don't understand why. Him playing the "non-binary" card is recent, and its purpose is clearly to serve as a social shield and badge of authority so that he can keep doing anything he wants, free of any and all criticism.

Also, on social media he types like a teenager; middle-aged people who type like teenagers are inherently predatory. The purpose of typing that way is to lure in the youth. Call this a ****** theory if you want, but I sincerely believe this. I think that kind of typing from any adult, but especially middle-aged ones, should automatically set off red flags.

You're not ****** at all. I grew up watching Investigation Discovery and several crime shows that were based on real-life cases, and you're 100% right that middle aged "people" who act like kids online are always trying to lure in youngsters for malicious purposes.

[cpmartins]

Anyone here brave enough to livestream the pirating, installation and playthrough of this?

[cleansingcarnage]

Anyone here brave enough to livestream the pirating, installation and playthrough of this?

Like I said before, I am morbidly curious about this game and the decisions they've made on all levels, so it's something I would be interested in seeing too.

Words cannot properly express how much I resent Patrick Weekes specifically. The ****** who worked on Sims 4 is awful for obvious reasons, but he's a recent addition. Weekes has been actively ruining the series since he was brought on and given so much liberty to hijack and ruin the story and lore. It seems no one ever told him no, and I just don't understand why. Him playing the "non-binary" card is recent, and its purpose is clearly to serve as a social shield and badge of authority so that he can keep doing anything he wants, free of any and all criticism.

Also, on social media he types like a teenager; middle-aged people who type like teenagers are inherently predatory. The purpose of typing that way is to lure in the youth. Call this a ****** theory if you want, but I sincerely believe this. I think that kind of typing from any adult, but especially middle-aged ones, should automatically set off red flags.

I think you can add middle-aged "people" who dye their hair bright colors to the list of suspect traits, lol.