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The funniest thing is that - in the real world - the more you learn about foreign cultures and perspectives, the less tolerant of these foreigners you actually become. lmfao
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 7th, 2024, 23:49
Now going to lie but I expected better from Atlus.
It's kinda strange. Doesn't look like Altus I know. Despite the trash woke fanbase on west, Atlus games always being very based.
The Persona series unapologetically shows a woman's sexuality. The female characters and interactions with them are built to be appealing for the male heterosexual player. Altus doesn't demonize male desires and doesn't pretend that it's somehow a concern of a bunch of pink-haired behemoths from Reddit.
There's no homo **** in games. No forced brown characters. But there are a bunch of jokes about ****** and gays that woke idiots find offensive. IGN even called Persona 5 a “homophobic game”. Could it be that “tolerance” is just another “adaptation” by woke localizers and the original had something like “cultural knowledge”?
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Trickster wrote: October 8th, 2024, 04:10
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 7th, 2024, 23:49
Now going to lie but I expected better from Atlus.
It's kinda strange. Doesn't look like Altus I know. Despite the trash woke fanbase on west, Atlus games always being very based.
The Persona series unapologetically shows a woman's sexuality. The female characters and interactions with them are built to be appealing for the male heterosexual player. Altus doesn't demonize male desires.
There's no homo **** in games. No forced brown characters. But there are a bunch of jokes about ****** and gays that woke idiots find offensive. IGN even called Persona 5 a “homophobic game”. Could it be that “tolerance” is just another “adaptation” by woke localizers and the original had something like “cultural knowledge”?
The Persona 3 remake walked back and censored jokes that were in the original, so Atlus has apparently been compromised.

Is it as bad as the screenshots suggest? Impossible to say. The best way to handle this would be player choice--side with globohomo or side with ethnonationalists, and the plot gives a balanced portrayal showing the potential merits and drawbacks as consequences of your decisions. That would be keeping in line with how SMT games handle law/chaos/etc. I highly doubt they're doing that here.

The second option takes choice away from the player and locks them into supporting one side (here, apparently the globohomo), but it's still possible to treat the issues with nuance and balance. Maybe there are negative consequences from the crusade for "tolerance" and equality. Maybe the "bad guys" make a lot of good points and the player is left to ponder whether they're fighting for the wrong team. This can still be a compelling structure, even if one disagrees with the goals of the protagonist. Metal Gear Solid 2 is a perfect example.

The third option is to flatten everyone into a caricature and treat the issues with hyberbole--"diversity good!" "nationalism bad!" The antagonists are treated as irredeemable mustache-twirling villains with strictly "evil" goals. This is where we are with most games in 2024. Hopefully Atlus is still better than that, but the choice of localizer says they aren't
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DDC wrote: October 8th, 2024, 04:46
Hopefully Atlus is still better than that, but the choice of localizer says they aren't
Unless it blows up into a huge issue, Japanese publishers typically do not pay any attention at all to who localizes their games. Not saying Atlus hasn't gone woke, but choice of localizer doesn't really prove anything one way or the other.
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Vergil wrote: September 28th, 2024, 14:30
This game has some cute fellas in it.
You're just saying things like this to keep us from playing terrible games r..right?
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It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:59
It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
True. Let's give a clap to those who buy SMT V at the start and now have to buy and replay the new SMT V: Vengeance for ultimate experience.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:59
It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
I don't think Metaphor will get story dlcs tbh, and even if; they are going to be cheap. No reason to buy the ultimate edition unless you want ****** costumes from gaysona.
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Cedric wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:53
Learn Japanese. Only way to enjoy games anymore. It'll take a long time but you can get there.
This isn't just a localization issue. The narrative itself is globohomo diversity and equity poz.
I'm just stating the facts.
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Finarfin wrote: October 8th, 2024, 11:38
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:59
It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
I don't thin Metaphor will get story dlcs tbh, and even if; they are going to be cheap. No reason to buy the ultimate edition unless you want ****** costumes from gaysona.
If it was just DLC I wouldn't have a problem with this .However Atlus does this **** practice of making definitive editions where it adds QOL additions and large new content sections that is very substantial to the story ,which is charged full retail price that can’t be bought by DLC separately.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 12:22
Finarfin wrote: October 8th, 2024, 11:38
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:59
It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
I don't thin Metaphor will get story dlcs tbh, and even if; they are going to be cheap. No reason to buy the ultimate edition unless you want ****** costumes from gaysona.
If it was just DLC I wouldn't have a problem with this .However Atlus does this **** practice of making definitive editions where it adds QOL additions and large new content sections that is very substantial to the story ,which is charged full retail price that can’t be bought by DLC separately.
Hmm, that I didn't know of. Well, that sucks. ( I did get the game for 35 bucks but still, I don't want to spend 60-90 bucks again)
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Finarfin wrote: October 8th, 2024, 12:24
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 12:22
Finarfin wrote: October 8th, 2024, 11:38


I don't thin Metaphor will get story dlcs tbh, and even if; they are going to be cheap. No reason to buy the ultimate edition unless you want ****** costumes from gaysona.
If it was just DLC I wouldn't have a problem with this .However Atlus does this **** practice of making definitive editions where it adds QOL additions and large new content sections that is very substantial to the story ,which is charged full retail price that can’t be bought by DLC separately.
Hmm, that I didn't know of. Well, that sucks. ( I did get the game for 35 bucks but still, I don't want to spend 60-90 bucks again)
Persona 5 Royal and SMT 5: Vengeance are prime examples of this.

Shits beyond annoying.
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Trickster wrote: October 8th, 2024, 11:03
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:59
It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
True. Let's give a clap to those who buy SMT V at the start and now have to buy and replay the new SMT V: Vengeance for ultimate experience.
I was that sucker who bought the OG version and vengeance. On the plus side Ryota Kozuka as the composer for SMT 5 vengeance soundtrack was straight up banging.

Quite easily the best soundtrack in series. Ryota Kozuka really steps ups to the plate and is a fine replacement for Shoji Meguro legendary work.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 14:18
Trickster wrote: October 8th, 2024, 11:03
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 8th, 2024, 09:59
It should go without saying but don’t buy Atlus games on day one and wait for the inevitable re-release/ ultimate edition that provides additional content in a year or so.
True. Let's give a clap to those who buy SMT V at the start and now have to buy and replay the new SMT V: Vengeance for ultimate experience.
I was that sucker who bought the OG version and vengeance. On the plus side Ryota Kozuka as the composer for SMT 5 vengeance soundtrack was straight up banging.

Quite easily the best soundtrack in series. Ryota Kozuka really steps ups to the plate and is a fine replacement for Shoji Meguro legendary work.
The soundtrack greatly enhanced my enjoyment of SMTV. I think a fantastic soundtrack is a requirement for open-world games that have relatively non-interactive worlds. Running around those deserts would have been tedious as **** with a mediocre soundtrack, but all of the bangers in SMTV made it a meditative experience. You get used to the graphics, so the sound is the main thing that dictates how tolerable a gameplay dead-zone will be.
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now that japanese are infected with the woke mind virus there's really no reason to waste time playing video games anymore

clearly the next logical step is to kill anthony fauci
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They were worse than the west first
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"Uh, this might be a bit problematic...shouldn't we adapt it for modern audiences? Nah, just make him a Turk."
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Metaphor: ReFantazio has sold very well on its launch.

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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 12th, 2024, 00:23
Metaphor: ReFantazio has sold very well on its launch.

Good, because it isn't some ****** highschool persona **** but on the other hand not good because I dislike the whole message of "muh equality among all races and tolerance" The devs behind Persona should either go full fantasy or make the next persona with older protagonists, maybe some salarymen and women or **** like that.

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Well, how's the plot with the protagonist and the prince go?
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Finarfin wrote: October 12th, 2024, 13:11
The devs behind Persona should either go full fantasy or make the next persona with older protagonists, maybe some salarymen and women or **** like that.
Etrian Odyssey (Metaphor was rumored to be repurposed EO Next designs in the P5 engine) and SMT then.
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This is so pozzed it hurts. I know trannylators are terrorists but there's so much of this stuff in the game it's hard to believe they made it all up. Japanese Dustborn.

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Finarfin wrote: October 12th, 2024, 13:11
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: October 12th, 2024, 00:23
Metaphor: ReFantazio has sold very well on its launch.

Good, because it isn't some ****** highschool persona **** but on the other hand not good because I dislike the whole message of "muh equality among all races and tolerance" The devs behind Persona should either go full fantasy or make the next persona with older protagonists, maybe some salarymen and women or **** like that.

The Japanese are obsessed with high school kids.

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Statesman wrote: October 12th, 2024, 20:45
Finarfin wrote: October 12th, 2024, 13:11
The devs behind Persona should either go full fantasy or make the next persona with older protagonists, maybe some salarymen and women or **** like that.
Etrian Odyssey (Metaphor was rumored to be repurposed EO Next designs in the P5 engine) and SMT then.
That’s isn’t the least bit surprising if true.
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Segata wrote: October 14th, 2024, 20:22
This is so pozzed it hurts. I know trannylators are terrorists but there's so much of this stuff in the game it's hard to believe they made it all up. Japanese Dustborn.

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Segata wrote: October 14th, 2024, 20:22
This is so pozzed it hurts. I know trannylators are terrorists but there's so much of this stuff in the game it's hard to believe they made it all up. Japanese Dustborn.

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Statesman wrote: October 12th, 2024, 20:45
Finarfin wrote: October 12th, 2024, 13:11
The devs behind Persona should either go full fantasy or make the next persona with older protagonists, maybe some salarymen and women or **** like that.
Etrian Odyssey (Metaphor was rumored to be repurposed EO Next designs in the P5 engine) and SMT then.
It's funny because the red elf character was initially a sneak peek that was included as a DLC portrait in EO:Nexus. Atlus promised there would be more news revealed soon yet it took them 6+ years to actually show anything worthwhile. Metaphor used to be called Project Re-Fantasy: A Fools Journey begins but not much is known besides that.

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This is a comparison between the sneak peek and the official release art. Personally, I much rather prefer the design and artstyle of the concept art. The reasons I prefer the concept art are because the suit of armor is more appealing and makes more sense compared to the strange suit jumpsuit (especially the square shoulder part), the hair on the left fits the design better, and the left design's elf ears look more natural.
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MC_Sea wrote: October 14th, 2024, 21:43
Statesman wrote: October 12th, 2024, 20:45
Finarfin wrote: October 12th, 2024, 13:11
The devs behind Persona should either go full fantasy or make the next persona with older protagonists, maybe some salarymen and women or **** like that.
Etrian Odyssey (Metaphor was rumored to be repurposed EO Next designs in the P5 engine) and SMT then.
It's funny because the red elf character was initially a sneak peek that was included as a DLC portrait in EO:Nexus. Atlus promised there would be more news revealed soon yet it took them 6+ years to actually show anything worthwhile. Metaphor used to be called Project Re-Fantasy: A Fools Journey begins but not much is known besides that.

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This is a comparison between the sneak peek and the official release art. Personally, I much rather prefer the design and artstyle of the concept art. The reasons I prefer the concept art are because the suit of armor is more appealing and makes more sense compared to the strange suit jumpsuit (especially the square shoulder part), the hair on the left fits the design better, and the left design's elf ears look more natural.
I prefer the left because the right looks like ****
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