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DagothGeas5 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:24
How accurate are dice rolls and other such chance based things in videogames compared to real-life? Icewind Dale's and other older games feel normal, for example, with both fails and successes scattered randomly as it should be, but for games like Baldur's Gate 3 it started to feel quite odd to, for example, it being very hard get a roll higher than 10 whenever the roll was for something that might "conflict with the narrative" or what have you (for example, skipping a fight through a dialogue or insight check with the DC of 18, with me rolling consecutive NAT 1 or 3s at times while I was testing it out), it doesn't feel as randomized as it used to be, is it just luck or is there something with the systems beneath it?
Most games these days use "karmic dice" whether they publically say so or not.
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DagothGeas5 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:24
How accurate are dice rolls and other such chance based things in videogames compared to real-life?
True random is unachievable, but a proper RNG is indistinguishable therefrom. If game rolls aren't effectively random, it's because the developer coded them not to be.
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RNG or bust. That whole karmic dice system is modern nonsense.
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WhiteShark wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:37
True random is unachievable, but a proper RNG is indistinguishable therefrom. If game rolls aren't effectively random, it's because the developer coded them not to be.
Acrux wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:33
Most games these days use "karmic dice" whether they publically say so or not.
Would it be possible to better code a game's RNG? I have never seen any mods doing such a thing.
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No need to better code RNG. You only need to make sure that the difference between a 6 and 7 is not life and death, basically not always gaming over whenever you roll 1 too less
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DagothGeas5 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:55
Would it be possible to better code a game's RNG? I have never seen any mods doing such a thing.
Possible? Sure, it's software; nearly anything would be possible if you want to put enough resources toward it. Depending on whether the game dev grabbed an existing dice RNG or custom built it, and how ingrained it is into the system (think how long it would take to de-tangle something like Wrath of the Righteous with all of the modifiers), you'd have to decide how much time and/or money you'd want to put toward it.

But it can be done. For instance, there's someone who created a mod for Solasta that allows you to manually roll dice and then enter the rolls.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:29
Imagine charging a $700 console with no games.
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I love how the reasoning is that "well, we didn't want gaymers to have to choose between fidelity and performance!". So in other words, the PS5 Pro is 'needed' because incompetent devs are releasing poorly optimised games. It used to be that new consoles were exciting because it meant that developers would push the envelope in innovative ways, now it's a literal crutch just to make the **** games playable.

I've never seen a more unnecessary product in video game history. At least the Sega CD and 32x had a reason to exist, the PS5 Pro does not.
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1998 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 17:02
No need to better code RNG. You only need to make sure that the difference between a 6 and 7 is not life and death, basically not always gaming over whenever you roll 1 too less
I myself like how it is just one number off at times, adds to the tension so to speak, but if their things are this **** then yes, that would be preferable to their "karmic" idiocy. Though I think they would botch that as well and dumb everything down to something like "pick one! Left or right!" Dora the explorer style :groan:
Acrux wrote: September 10th, 2024, 17:18
Possible? Sure, it's software; nearly anything would be possible if you want to put enough resources toward it. Depending on whether the game dev grabbed an existing dice RNG or custom built it, and how ingrained it is into the system (think how long it would take to de-tangle something like Wrath of the Righteous with all of the modifiers), you'd have to decide how much time and/or money you'd want to put toward it.

But it can be done. For instance, there's someone who created a mod for Solasta that allows you to manually roll dice and then enter the rolls.
https://www.nexusmods.com/solastacrowno ... r/mods/241
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KnightoftheWind wrote: September 10th, 2024, 17:23
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:29
Imagine charging a $700 console with no games.
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I love how the reasoning is that "well, we didn't want gaymers to have to choose between fidelity and performance!". So in other words, the PS5 Pro is 'needed' because incompetent devs are releasing poorly optimised games. It used to be that new consoles were exciting because it meant that developers would push the envelope in innovative ways, now it's a literal crutch just to make the **** games playable.

I've never seen a more unnecessary product in video game history. At least the Sega CD and 32x had a reason to exist, the PS5 Pro does not.
It’s even funny because only 50% of PS4 owners switch to PS5 in the span of 4 years which explains why developers are still making PS4 ports.

https://tech4gamers.com/playstation-users-half-ps4/


Judging by the negative reception of that trailer( no disk drive not even the stand is included LOL) I don’t foresee the PS5 Pro selling well.

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It’s Sony 2006 E3 press conference all over again.

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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: September 10th, 2024, 17:41
KnightoftheWind wrote: September 10th, 2024, 17:23
Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:29
Imagine charging a $700 console with no games.
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I love how the reasoning is that "well, we didn't want gaymers to have to choose between fidelity and performance!". So in other words, the PS5 Pro is 'needed' because incompetent devs are releasing poorly optimised games. It used to be that new consoles were exciting because it meant that developers would push the envelope in innovative ways, now it's a literal crutch just to make the **** games playable.

I've never seen a more unnecessary product in video game history. At least the Sega CD and 32x had a reason to exist, the PS5 Pro does not.
It’s more funny because only 50% of PS4 owners switch to PS5 in the span of 4 years which explains why developers are still making PS4 ports.

https://tech4gamers.com/playstation-users-half-ps4/


Judging by the negative reception of trailer( no disk drive not even the stand is included LOL)I don’t foresee the PS5 Pro selling well.

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It’s Sony 2006 E3 press conference all over again.

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The product is a dud, for sure. But Sony does have a stroke of luck perhaps, if there is a chance Microsoft will start releasing games regularly on the PS5, then it bolsters the anemic library with a few heavy hitters that might just entice console players to purchase a Pro. Like Doom, Elder Scrolls, even Halo. Not exclusive titles, no, but titles console players will be hyped for regardless. And since Xbox consoles are dead in the water, the only platforms Sony has to contend with is the Switch 2 and PC.
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The fact that this game came out right after the "chuds will no longer have any games to buy" cope quote is beyond priceless.



If you don't wanna watch the video, basically this new game called Snowbreak: Containment zone has like over three times the peak player count of Concord, and those are only the Steam numbers that don't count players using other platforms like Mobile.

Absolute best thing is that Snowbreak was on the edge of bankruptcy just a few months ago, that is until the developers of this game reached out to the playerbase and asked them what they wanted, and all they had to do was simply implement the stuff their players requested and, boom, profit. kek
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DagothGeas5 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:24
for games like Baldur's Gate 3 it started to feel quite odd to
BG3 has an option in the settings to use karmic dice or real dice. I think karmic is the default because the majority of people thought it felt more random than the actually random dice.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: September 10th, 2024, 18:56
DagothGeas5 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:24
for games like Baldur's Gate 3 it started to feel quite odd to
BG3 has an option in the settings to use karmic dice or real dice. I think karmic is the default because the majority of people thought it felt more random than the actually random dice.
Every update since it was added the first thing I did was to disable that in the options because it was indeed automatically re-enabled as default with the settings (at least, in my case it was). The time I tried to use karmic dice it felt as if there were "levels" the numbers were locked to, so to speak, so I could be getting higher rolls, but it felt off, not sure how to describe. It was like throwing a ball that has led or a magnet in it to "be more precise", yet it could only hit closer targets with auto-aim.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: September 10th, 2024, 16:29
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Wow they made it even uglier. No one wants this giant modern art sculpture condense this **** down.
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UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 18:41
The fact that this game came out right after the "chuds will no longer have any games to buy" cope quote is beyond priceless.



If you don't wanna watch the video, basically this new game called Snowbreak: Containment zone has like over three times the peak player count of Concord, and those are only the Steam numbers that don't count players using other platforms like Mobile.

Absolute best thing is that Snowbreak was on the edge of bankruptcy just a few months ago, that is until the developers of this game reached out to the playerbase and asked them what they wanted, and all they had to do was simply implement the stuff their players requested and, boom, profit. kek
But this looks like a coomer hentai game.
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UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 18:41
The fact that this game came out right after the "chuds will no longer have any games to buy" cope quote is beyond priceless.



If you don't wanna watch the video, basically this new game called Snowbreak: Containment zone has like over three times the peak player count of Concord, and those are only the Steam numbers that don't count players using other platforms like Mobile.

Absolute best thing is that Snowbreak was on the edge of bankruptcy just a few months ago, that is until the developers of this game reached out to the playerbase and asked them what they wanted, and all they had to do was simply implement the stuff their players requested and, boom, profit. kek
I would rather infinite Concords than this.
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Can I get a video game that isn't either:
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Are these really my only choices now?
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Nooneatall wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:01
UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 18:41
The fact that this game came out right after the "chuds will no longer have any games to buy" cope quote is beyond priceless.



If you don't wanna watch the video, basically this new game called Snowbreak: Containment zone has like over three times the peak player count of Concord, and those are only the Steam numbers that don't count players using other platforms like Mobile.

Absolute best thing is that Snowbreak was on the edge of bankruptcy just a few months ago, that is until the developers of this game reached out to the playerbase and asked them what they wanted, and all they had to do was simply implement the stuff their players requested and, boom, profit. kek
But this looks like a coomer hentai game.
That video aged poorly, the devs censored the game so a lot of players are angry at them now.
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I don't listen to Vergil cuz we all know what he likes, but Nooneatall does make a good point. Rather, I was making fun at the fact that even coom-bait stuff is more guaranteed to be successful than the stuff modern Western devs are trying to push.

Even if I don't care much about coom-bait, I see it more about how human nature always triumphs over social engineering.
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UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:09
I don't listen to Vergil cuz we all know what he likes, but Nooneatall does make a good point. Rather, I was making fun at the fact that even coom-bait stuff is more guaranteed to be successful than the stuff modern Western devs are trying to push.

Even if I don't care much about coom-bait, I see it more about how human nature always triumphs over social engineering.
Can't argue with that. White men and men in general are the vast majority of gamers and they want to see attractive women.
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UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:09
I don't listen to Vergil cuz we all know what he likes, but Nooneatall does make a good point. Rather, I was making fun at the fact that even coom-bait stuff is more guaranteed to be successful than the stuff modern Western devs are trying to push.

Even if I don't care much about coom-bait, I see it more about how human nature always triumphs over social engineering.
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Vergil wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:32
UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:09
I don't listen to Vergil cuz we all know what he likes, but Nooneatall does make a good point. Rather, I was making fun at the fact that even coom-bait stuff is more guaranteed to be successful than the stuff modern Western devs are trying to push.

Even if I don't care much about coom-bait, I see it more about how human nature always triumphs over social engineering.
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Brother Michael wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:34
Vergil wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:32
UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:09
I don't listen to Vergil cuz we all know what he likes, but Nooneatall does make a good point. Rather, I was making fun at the fact that even coom-bait stuff is more guaranteed to be successful than the stuff modern Western devs are trying to push.

Even if I don't care much about coom-bait, I see it more about how human nature always triumphs over social engineering.
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Vergil wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:32
UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 20:09
I don't listen to Vergil cuz we all know what he likes, but Nooneatall does make a good point. Rather, I was making fun at the fact that even coom-bait stuff is more guaranteed to be successful than the stuff modern Western devs are trying to push.

Even if I don't care much about coom-bait, I see it more about how human nature always triumphs over social engineering.
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He can't keep getting away with this!.

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KnightoftheWind wrote: September 11th, 2024, 06:16
He can't keep getting away with this!.

He watched their content on a consistent basis (his own words) he is just as much of a ******
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UltraFan123 wrote: September 10th, 2024, 18:41
The fact that this game came out right after the "chuds will no longer have any games to buy" cope quote is beyond priceless.



If you don't wanna watch the video, basically this new game called Snowbreak: Containment zone has like over three times the peak player count of Concord, and those are only the Steam numbers that don't count players using other platforms like Mobile.

Absolute best thing is that Snowbreak was on the edge of bankruptcy just a few months ago, that is until the developers of this game reached out to the playerbase and asked them what they wanted, and all they had to do was simply implement the stuff their players requested and, boom, profit. kek
I hate these games just as much as concord because they are designed to exploit a certain subset of men
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jebacdrkac wrote: September 11th, 2024, 06:42
KnightoftheWind wrote: September 11th, 2024, 06:16
He can't keep getting away with this!.

He watched their content on a consistent basis (his own words) he is just as much of a ******
He 'used' to watch on a consistent basis. Hell, I used to watch the Act Man myself years ago, and I don't bother watching his content anymore for similar reasons. He's fake edgy, like Angry Joe.