CONCORD THREAD

[Shillitron]

Amazon has an upcoming anthology show called Secret Level where each episode will tell a story from a different game's universe, such as Warhammer 40k, D&D, and Pac-Man. Concord is going to get its own full hour long episode.

Wow this trailer is amazing.. I bet the creator is so proud that he cries like a little ***** about this show.

[Shillitron]

FYI People are estimating that Sony is roughly 200 - 300 million in the hole on this game.

Why? Because not only did the game have a budget of roughly 100 million but Sony actually bought the studio working on it before shouldering those development costs. As of today It's got roughly 15-20 thousand sales on Steam.

For reference, Suicide Squad sold about 200 000 copies on Steam and ~twice that on Playstation and Warner brothers said it was roughly a 200 million dollar loss.

It's over.

---

Remember the previous narrative of "Give Concord a try guys!!!!"

This is the new narrative now:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/the-e ... bad-habit/

For some delicious Cope:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pcgame ... it.965427/

[rusty_shackleford]

FYI People are estimating that Sony is roughly 200 - 300 million in the hole on this game.

Why? Because not only did the game have a budget of roughly 100 million but Sony actually bought the studio working on it before shouldering those development costs. As of today It's got roughly 15-20 thousand sales on Steam.

For reference, Suicide Squad sold about 200 000 copies on Steam and ~twice that on Playstation and Warner brothers said it was roughly a 200 million dollar loss.

It's over.

---

Remember the previous narrative of "Give Concord a try guys!!!!"

This is the new narrative now:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/the-e ... bad-habit/

For some delicious Cope:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pcgame ... it.965427/

(These are not the ugliest character designs you've ever seen, Reddit—get a grip!)

I tried to think of some counterexamples and I just can't. Yeah, some games come close, but it's really hard to top this:

[edit]
From that resetera thread:

Games like Helldivers 2 and their succes come put[sic] of nowhere. Having a great base game and promo helps as I was interesting in that one and bought day 1 based on their marketing.

lol
lmao, even

imagine being so out of touch you can't understand why Helldivers 2 would be massively successful

[Val the Moofia Boss]

cost 100 million to make

If you ever have any doubt that publishers are genuinely ********, just remember that "Overwatch but more woke. Give me 100 million USD" has been a successful pitch multiple times.

It is interesting how time after time again, for the past 20 years, we keep seeing the same basic business failure at the point where a live service game is pitched to investors/executives and the project somehow gets greenlit.

It's easy to sell the idea of a copycat MMO or live service to investors or executives by pointing to WoW or Overwatch or whatever. "Here is the revenue Blizzard is generating for WoW: 10 million monthly subscribers x $15 per month to play. That is the revenue we could be making!". Wrong. That is the money you would be making if YOU owned World of Warcraft. You don't own WoW. For you to make that same revenue, you would either have to find 10 million new people who aren't already playing WoW (which would mean that there are actually 20 million people in this subscription MMO market and for some reason WoW's market analysts haven't noticed this by now), or you would have to steal ALL of the World of Warcraft players. Neither is realistic.

For Concord, they are going into the live service hero shooter genre, which is already saturated and Overwatch is its king. The pie is a fixed size, and Overwatch has the biggest slice. It is doubtful you can create a lot of new people who weren't already interested in hero shooters and weren't already playing Overwatch. So to make a hero shooter, your only hope is to steal a fraction of Overwatch players. If you can only steal a fraction of Overwatch players (rather than getting millions of players), then you're not going to make that much revenue, which means in order to make a profit you need to keep your development costs low. The producer of Concord should have gone in with the mentality of "okay, I think we can steal 500,000 Overwatch players, this is how much money we can make off of 500,000 OW players, our budget needs to be less than that, so $10 million or less."

But instead, we keep seeing these WoW clones/MOBAs/battle royales/hero shooters/gachas/etc with gargantuan budgets being greenlit as if the market has the potential for infinite growth and hasn't already achieved market saturation, and then lo and behold they bomb.

[UltraFan123]

The pie is a fixed size

This simple line perfectly applies not only to video games but also most of media in general. And I also want to say that the amount of investors/CEOs that lack this understanding of basic economics is quite sad, because such thing as "infinite growth" just doesn't exists.

[aweigh]

cost 100 million to make

If you ever have any doubt that publishers are genuinely ********, just remember that "Overwatch but more woke. Give me 100 million USD" has been a successful pitch multiple times.

It is interesting how time after time again, for the past 20 years, we keep seeing the same basic business failure at the point where a live service game is pitched to investors/executives and the project somehow gets greenlit.

It's easy to sell the idea of a copycat MMO or live service to investors or executives by pointing to WoW or Overwatch or whatever. "Here is the revenue Blizzard is generating for WoW: 10 million monthly subscribers x $15 per month to play. That is the revenue we could be making!". Wrong. That is the money you would be making if YOU owned World of Warcraft. You don't own WoW. For you to make that same revenue, you would either have to find 10 million new people who aren't already playing WoW (which would mean that there are actually 20 million people in this subscription MMO market and for some reason WoW's market analysts haven't noticed this by now), or you would have to steal ALL of the World of Warcraft players. Neither is realistic.

For Concord, they are going into the live service hero shooter genre, which is already saturated and Overwatch is its king. The pie is a fixed size, and Overwatch has the biggest slice. It is doubtful you can create a lot of new people who weren't already interested in hero shooters and weren't already playing Overwatch. So to make a hero shooter, your only hope is to steal a fraction of Overwatch players. If you can only steal a fraction of Overwatch players (rather than getting millions of players), then you're not going to make that much revenue, which means in order to make a profit you need to keep your development costs low. The producer of Concord should have gone in with the mentality of "okay, I think we can steal 500,000 Overwatch players, this is how much money we can make off of 500,000 OW players, our budget needs to be less than that, so $10 million or less."

But instead, we keep seeing these WoW clones/MOBAs/battle royales/hero shooters/gachas/etc with gargantuan budgets being greenlit as if the market has the potential for infinite growth and hasn't already achieved market saturation, and then lo and behold they bomb.

Ackshually, all they needed to do was make the chicks hot. First Descendant did that and it's successful. I actually downloaded First Descendant just to own the libs. Playing a game with attractive characters is an act of #resistance.

[rusty_shackleford]

The pie is a fixed size

This simple line perfectly applies not only to video games but also most of media in general. And I also want to say that the amount of investors/CEOs that lack this understanding of basic economics is quite sad, because such thing as "infinite growth" just doesn't exists.

It doesn't really apply to singleplayer video games, as these tend to not be designed to be endlessly played.
There are some exceptions e.g., minecraft, civilization games, etc., Those games completely dominate their niche because you can't pull players away.

But for something like singleplayer RPGs? It's more like a pie where the pie regenerates itself. As long as you aren't releasing your game within 2-3 months of a major title, your audience is there.

[Yankee Zulu]

You forgot about another such game from CA with ****** women. It was shut down by SEGA and never saw the light of general public.

[Bing_xiLim]

FYI People are estimating that Sony is roughly 200 - 300 million in the hole on this game.

Why? Because not only did the game have a budget of roughly 100 million but Sony actually bought the studio working on it before shouldering those development costs. As of today It's got roughly 15-20 thousand sales on Steam.

For reference, Suicide Squad sold about 200 000 copies on Steam and ~twice that on Playstation and Warner brothers said it was roughly a 200 million dollar loss.

It's over.

---

Remember the previous narrative of "Give Concord a try guys!!!!"

This is the new narrative now:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/the-e ... bad-habit/

For some delicious Cope:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pcgame ... it.965427/

Go ahead and call me a ******* ****** but I wish I was born earlier so I could fully live through the 90s and 2000s. The internet (driven by algorithms) and the ******* who entered this space afterwards have ****** everything.

[WaterMage]

Game praised by journos >

https://steamcharts.com/app/2443720

Game hated by journos >

https://steamcharts.com/app/2358720

Seriously, imagine paying $40 for a woke "waiting in queue" simulator...

[Nooneatall]

FYI People are estimating that Sony is roughly 200 - 300 million in the hole on this game.

Why? Because not only did the game have a budget of roughly 100 million but Sony actually bought the studio working on it before shouldering those development costs. As of today It's got roughly 15-20 thousand sales on Steam.

For reference, Suicide Squad sold about 200 000 copies on Steam and ~twice that on Playstation and Warner brothers said it was roughly a 200 million dollar loss.

It's over.

---

Remember the previous narrative of "Give Concord a try guys!!!!"

This is the new narrative now:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/the-e ... bad-habit/

For some delicious Cope:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pcgame ... it.965427/

Go ahead and call me a ******* ****** but I wish I was born earlier so I could fully live through the 90s and 2000s. The internet (driven by algorithms) and the ******* who entered this space afterwards have ****** everything.

It was way better than today, and I had a really bad childhood so it's not nostalgia. I got hyped every time I cracked open a game mag and most of the time the games were great.

[aweigh]

I could fully live through the 90s and 2000s

it's hard to explain just how AMAZING the internet was in the 90s and early 2000s. it was a true frontier, wild and untamed, and literally anything was possible.

[Nooneatall]

I could fully live through the 90s and 2000s

it's hard to explain just how AMAZING the internet was in the 90s and early 2000s. it was a true frontier, wild and untamed, and literally anything was possible.

One thing I miss was everything was text instead of videos. You can barely find stuff to read because it doesn't pay. Only ******** and ***** write now

[UltraFan123]

One thing I miss was everything was text instead of videos. You can barely find stuff to read because it doesn't pay. Only ******** and ***** write now

I assume you're referring to the cringy smut fanfics that flood some sites? Because I believe that finding something good to read online depends on what genres you're into.

[Vaako]

Weird thing is valve apparently released something similar called Deadlock, where 80% of the characters could be from concord and they allegly have like 100k players right now. So either valve can market better or they manipulate their numbers. Since the gameplay doesnt look better than concords.

[rusty_shackleford]

Weird thing is valve apparently released something similar called Deadlock, where 80% of the characters could be from concord and they allegly have like 100k players right now. So either valve can market better or they manipulate their numbers. Since the gameplay doesnt look better than concords.

Most deadlock characters are just inoffensive AFAICT. Really don't think it's going to be a big hit tho tbh, dunno why they bothered.
If you want an invite, just add me on Steam — my friendcode is in my signature.

[aweigh]

One thing I miss was everything was text instead of videos. You can barely find stuff to read because it doesn't pay. Only ******** and ***** write now

I assume you're referring to the cringy smut fanfics that flood some sites? Because I believe that finding something good to read online depends on what genres you're into.

EDIT: Basically, in the 90s it was too bandwidth expensive to have pictures, let alone video (plus video quality sucked), so if someone wanted to "make a website" you had to think of a way of entertaining via text. Comedy, fiction, journalism, everything was via text. If you didn't know how to write you couldn't have a successful website. There was no social media either so people worked really ******* hard on their site, it was essentially their version of a novel or a manuscript. Imagine a world where *everything* was an effort post, including the **** posts.

(original)
no, i mean back in the day people used to write interesting stuff. That Misanthropic ***** comes to mind, and the Chicks Suck Guy. Also all Let's Plays used to be in text form. Comedy used to be in text as well, for example Seanbaby's old website.

[Nooneatall]

One thing I miss was everything was text instead of videos. You can barely find stuff to read because it doesn't pay. Only ******** and ***** write now

I assume you're referring to the cringy smut fanfics that flood some sites? Because I believe that finding something good to read online depends on what genres you're into.

EDIT: Basically, in the 90s it was too bandwidth expensive to have pictures, let alone video (plus video quality sucked), so if someone wanted to "make a website" you had to think of a way of entertaining via text. Comedy, fiction, journalism, everything was via text. If you didn't know how to write you couldn't have a successful website. There was no social media either so people worked really ******* hard on their site, it was essentially their version of a novel or a manuscript. Imagine a world where *everything* was an effort post, including the **** posts.

(original)
no, i mean back in the day people used to write interesting stuff. That Misanthropic ***** comes to mind, and the Chicks Suck Guy. Also all Let's Plays used to be in text form. Comedy used to be in text as well, for example Seanbaby's old website.

Exactly
Whatever you watch in a YouTube video today was in text on a site somewhere.
It wasn't regulated like today either so normies were very edgy.

[Breathe]

Weird thing is valve apparently released something similar called Deadlock, where 80% of the characters could be from concord and they allegly have like 100k players right now. So either valve can market better or they manipulate their numbers. Since the gameplay doesnt look better than concords.

Ha I wouldn't put it passed them. Give everyone the impression the game is popular to get people to play.

[Oyster Sauce]

Overwatch 2 was the lowest rated game in Steam history only a year ago. It's not a shock that the audience wants to play a new game.

[aweigh]

Overwatch 2 was the lowest rated game in Steam history only a year ago. It's not a shock that the audience wants to play a new game.

it would've been highly rated if it had attractive characters like Overwatch 1 had (they also uglyfied the returning characters). People are really overthinking this, in a genre like an mp hero shooter or looter shooter the ONLY thing players have to form an attachment with is the characters they choose to play as, if the characters are ugly they won't play the game. Simple as.

[rusty_shackleford]

it would've been highly rated if it had attractive characters like Overwatch 1 had (they also uglyfied the returning characters).

I'm personally partial to how they took the female characters and put them in the ugliest, manliest poses possible.

Ah, the ol' airing out my vagina stance

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Overwatch 1:

[Nooneatall]

One thing I miss was everything was text instead of videos. You can barely find stuff to read because it doesn't pay. Only ******** and ***** write now

I assume you're referring to the cringy smut fanfics that flood some sites? Because I believe that finding something good to read online depends on what genres you're into.

https://www.angelfire.com/trek/caver/
This is the kind of stuff you would constantly stumble on back then. Today this would be an obviously fake 30 second tiktok video.

[Bing_xiLim]

It was way better than today, and I had a really bad childhood so it's not nostalgia. I got hyped every time I cracked open a game mag and most of the time the games were great.

it's hard to explain just how AMAZING the internet was in the 90s and early 2000s. it was a true frontier, wild and untamed, and literally anything was possible.

It's ******* insane to think about how here's going to be generations of people, including mine, who have never experienced the internet at its rawest, purest form; generations of people who will grow up using the heavily sanitised version, highly controlled version, that it is now. It's kind of horrifying.

[Stack of Turtles]

It was way better than today, and I had a really bad childhood so it's not nostalgia. I got hyped every time I cracked open a game mag and most of the time the games were great.

it's hard to explain just how AMAZING the internet was in the 90s and early 2000s. it was a true frontier, wild and untamed, and literally anything was possible.

It's ******* insane to think about how here's going to be generations of people, including mine, who have never experienced the internet at its rawest, purest form; generations of people who will grow up using the heavily sanitised version, highly controlled version, that it is now. It's kind of horrifying.

If it's any consolation I think there's only gonna be an internet for like one more generation at most.

[Rand]

FYI People are estimating that Sony is roughly 200 - 300 million in the hole on this game.

Why? Because not only did the game have a budget of roughly 100 million but Sony actually bought the studio working on it before shouldering those development costs. As of today It's got roughly 15-20 thousand sales on Steam.

For reference, Suicide Squad sold about 200 000 copies on Steam and ~twice that on Playstation and Warner brothers said it was roughly a 200 million dollar loss.

It's over.

---

Remember the previous narrative of "Give Concord a try guys!!!!"

This is the new narrative now:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/the-e ... bad-habit/

For some delicious Cope:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/pcgame ... it.965427/

Go ahead and call me a ******* ****** but I wish I was born earlier so I could fully live through the 90s and 2000s. The internet (driven by algorithms) and the ******* who entered this space afterwards have ****** everything.

I miss real PC Gamer.

The original crew would have mocked Concord with us.

[Vaako]

Weird thing is valve apparently released something similar called Deadlock, where 80% of the characters could be from concord and they allegly have like 100k players right now. So either valve can market better or they manipulate their numbers. Since the gameplay doesnt look better than concords.

Most deadlock characters are just inoffensive AFAICT. Really don't think it's going to be a big hit tho tbh, dunno why they bothered.
If you want an invite, just add me on Steam — my friendcode is in my signature.

Maybe no overweight characters and one midly attractive female character. Rest were robots/monsters. Half of the men look gay and the only men without facial hair are the native american and asian. The only 2 human characters which dont look complete *** are Haze and Infernus (and that one just looks like a black Alucard version from the Hellsing anime) But overall its probably just that western artstyle I got allergic to. But I dont play those games anyway.

[rusty_shackleford]

Weird thing is valve apparently released something similar called Deadlock, where 80% of the characters could be from concord and they allegly have like 100k players right now. So either valve can market better or they manipulate their numbers. Since the gameplay doesnt look better than concords.

Most deadlock characters are just inoffensive AFAICT. Really don't think it's going to be a big hit tho tbh, dunno why they bothered.
If you want an invite, just add me on Steam — my friendcode is in my signature.

Maybe no overweight characters and one midly attractive female character. Rest were robots/monsters. Half of the men look gay and the only men without facial hair are the native american and asian. The only 2 human characters which dont look complete *** are Haze and Infernus (and that one just looks like a black Alucard version from the Hellsing anime) But overall its probably just that western artstyle I got allergic to.

Like I said, mostly inoffensive, but not 'good'. I may be wrong, but I really don't see this game catching on.

[WhiteShark]

Maybe no overweight characters and one midly attractive female character. Rest were robots/monsters. Half of the men look gay and the only men without facial hair are the native american and asian. The only 2 human characters which dont look complete *** are Haze and Infernus (and that one just looks like a black Alucard version from the Hellsing anime) But overall its probably just that western artstyle I got allergic to. But I dont play those games anyway.

The only one whose look I like is Warden.

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't like any of them, I'm completely tired of the soft clay-like cartoony character fad.