What if Morrowind was launched in today?

[WaterMage]

I'm just curious, because in Morrowind :

• Dark Elves have dark skin literally thanks to a curse launched by Azura.
• Bretons start the game with 50 INTs and Redguards with 30. Redguard is clearly based in Africans and Bretons in Europeans.
• In Mages Guild, there isn't a single Redguard, but among Thieves, their leader is a Redguard and redguards are very common in Fighters and Thieves guild.
• Despite having lots of females in low and mid ranks of mages guild, all higher ups are males.
• God's Fire/God's Frost, the strongest non-custom destruction spell, is so mana expensive that no redguard could cast it with his base magic, some magic in the game are only accessible(without items to boost mag) to Bretons and High elves.
• There is a powerful mage in Telvanni House who cloned himself into female daughters and uses his daughters as concubines and "brides.".
• The rival of the mages guild, the house Telvanni, builds towers with no accessible way to reach their quarters without a spell (or potion) of levitation, as they don't want to be bothered by lowly people that can't cast this spell. They literally see themselves above everyone else.
• They also practice slavery.
• One of their quests involves quelling a slave rebellion.
• Everyone is very racist in the game lore and game dialogs. Even Bretons who have the most individualistic culture don't like when non bretons are in position of power in Daggerfall.
• Drow seems to dislike every foreigner, including another Drow. Using their "n word"(n'wah) against any non native Drow.

Not defending anything, just wondering how much game journos would react if someone launched a game like Morrowind nowadays. Or even Oblivion. The very first Oblivion dialog is a guy mocking your character by his race :



Nowadays, no chief diversity officer with 300k/y wage would allow someone to make a game like this.

[Tweed]

People would think it's some kind of avant-garde ******** like Cruelty Squad only slightly better put together.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The combat/presentation/character creation would be slammed, since without prior knowledge players would create a character without jacking up their melee combat stats, and then in their first battle they would click 20 times to visibly slash their sword at a Cliffracer only for the text window to say they had only hit once. KCD's stat combat was also disliked but at least the presentation is better there as your attacks are visibly parried by the enemy, rather than the game "lying" to you showing that you are slashing at the enemy.

People would be much more unforgiving of how the map is almost entirely samey brown wasteland, compared to contemporary fantasy games with much more varied and visually pleasing biomes (particularly Skyrim).

I think more people would pick up on how unnatural the NPC dialogue interactions are. The lore codex was stashed into the NPC dialogue with the wikipedia hyperlink text and that you're running around asking NPCs to give you massive exposition dumps. It be even more obvious if it was voice acted.

With the recent Dune movie, you would have a lot of people saying that Morrowind was aesthetically/setting wise a ripoff or very derivative.

There would be a few people bitching about Jeremy Soule, saying "how dare they hired this cancel cultured composer!".

[rusty_shackleford]

All the racism would be gone because fantasy racism is bad and all the races must be identical west coast urban californians except with small quirks.

[WaterMage]

Yep. Morrowind made by modern day bugthesda would be high fantasy commiefornia...

[The_Mask]

You remember that feminist Telvanni? That would be every woman in the game.

And no shackles on the cats and lizards.

[Cliff Racer]

@water mage
There are no drow on vvardenfell, only dunmer! educate yourself

[A Chinese opium den]

But Morrowind wasn't launched today.

[fkirenicus]

Well, yes, but there are other games that never would have been released by today's DEI fascist companies. DA:O, for one. The 'dark age' setting of the first DA game was what got me hooked on to the setting/brand; the quasi-French- sun king- 'enlightened one-woman rule' of DA:I I can very much do without. Take Sten's (a standard qunari, not tal-vashoth) view of women, for example. And I guess one would have to have a gay or bisexual relationship to Zevran and Leliana, and Isabela on top (literally)...

[Oyster Sauce]

jiub get ipad

[Cliff Racer]

The 'dark age' setting of the first DA game was what got me hooked on to the setting;

Lol its not a good game or setting, just tired as i typed just now in the rpg ranking thread
Like they have these bland stand ins for orcs, i forget what they are called but theres no originality. Also theres a leilana companion who looks just like imogen from baldurs gate 2, theyre just going with nostalgia, no real ideas, boring english actor from rome speaks boring lines, the game sucks!!!

Morrowind is much, much better, original setting like Ur but with elfs on a volcano island. now that's cool

[rusty_shackleford]

I hate m*rrowind

[fkirenicus]

The 'dark age' setting of the first DA game was what got me hooked on to the setting;

Lol its not a good game or setting, just tired as i typed just now in the rpg ranking thread
Like they have these bland stand ins for orcs, i forget what they are called but theres no originality. Also theres a leilana companion who looks just like imogen from baldurs gate 2, theyre just going with nostalgia, no real ideas, boring english actor from rome speaks boring lines, the game sucks!!!

Morrowind is much, much better, original setting like Ur but with elfs on a volcano island. now that's cool

Well, one might well argue that DA writers have stolen a lot from GRR Martin, that's for sure. So it's not perhaps very "original" in that sense. But DA:O was a **** good game for its time.

[Cliff Racer]

@rusty_shackleford
Lol arent you like the admin here? RPG Ranking thread says Morrowind is RPGHQs most loved game with like double the points of runner up! also why do you hate such a good game? It has flaws but its like the best game ever

[rusty_shackleford]

RPG Ranking thread says Morrowind is RPGHQs most loved game with like double the points of runner up!

my users are idiots

[Rand]

There would be more load screens as every city and region would be it's own worldspace.

[Silvanus]

If Morrowind was made by modern Bethesda you'd be required to free the slaves and defeat House Telvanni as part of the main quest, which would start with you being declared the Nerevarine moments after the game begins.

Also there would be no spears.

[Oyster Sauce]

RPG Ranking thread says Morrowind is RPGHQs most loved game with like double the points of runner up!

my users are idiots

True but only because they aren't voting for Fable

[Cliff Racer]

The 'dark age' setting of the first DA game was what got me hooked on to the setting;

Lol its not a good game or setting, just tired as i typed just now in the rpg ranking thread
Like they have these bland stand ins for orcs, i forget what they are called but theres no originality. Also theres a leilana companion who looks just like imogen from baldurs gate 2, theyre just going with nostalgia, no real ideas, boring english actor from rome speaks boring lines, the game sucks!!!

Morrowind is much, much better, original setting like Ur but with elfs on a volcano island. now that's cool

Well, one might well argue that DA writers have stolen a lot from GRR Martin, that's for sure. So it's not perhaps very "original" in that sense. But DA:O was a **** good game for its time.

Good point with stealing from grmartin, I had forgotten that he was popular back then. so you see the bioware hacks had no original thoughts of their own, they had to pick from a "what is poplar now" list no doubt made from indept contractor for a whole wad of cash

Also lol dragon age is not good for its time its just badlurs gate 2, even with imoen companion!! I remember the televised ad where they made sure to put lots and lots of blood everywhere front and center!!! just to be graphic to attract the dumbest crowd who wants blood in game! Not a game which broke new ground like the thread topic game did!

[Cliff Racer]

RPG Ranking thread says Morrowind is RPGHQs most loved game with like double the points of runner up!

my users are idiots

roflmao

[Silvanus]

Good point with stealing from grmartin, I had forgotten that he was popular back then. so you see the bioware hacks had no original thoughts of their own, they had to pick from a "what is poplar now" list no doubt made from indept contractor for a whole wad of cash

I've seen people claim that Bethesda did something similar, being influenced by the LotR in designing Oblivion and the cringe-inducing viking trend that was around when they made Skyrim. If this is true then one can surmise that the next game will be Hammerfell, in emulation of the ****** trend of the 2020s.

[Cliff Racer]

Time to answer thread topic:
Morrowind (most loved RPGHQ game btw) is product of its times it was created in. Iguess beth was more or less unknown studio at the time just making ugly daggerfall and other obscure games. not too many peeps working there, not too few, all of tehm dedicated and fans of RPG genre
Some maybe interested in ancient history and shrooms lol (i see i ahve one on my pic now lol0
This resulted in cool enviroments like bitter coast, molag amur, tel x places etc. Also roman legions, Ur like char names etc while still recog like medival phantasy suitable for good rpgs.
Very cool magic system where you can make lots of stuff liek boots of blinding speed hack, or mega fireball whcih takes out balmore!!
Also not everything set in stone like now, some fresh systems like rules, butes, skills star signs, SPEARS which are not present in many games which is strane

If it was made today it would be Derivative of other games only. Devs will just pick like ui from this game, stats from that, attack pattern from thir dgame etc. All boring nothing new!!! also they use some engine instead of programming their own game. Critters like Cliff Racers would not be as many or as angry lol because peeps will complain and cry, everything must have boring balance these days, give special power sword before to defeat encounter before you get to it etc all weak and lame and boring Derivative. no real Innovation any more
I take my Morrowind, no mods just basic from 2002, thanks

[Cliff Racer]

Good point with stealing from grmartin, I had forgotten that he was popular back then. so you see the bioware hacks had no original thoughts of their own, they had to pick from a "what is poplar now" list no doubt made from indept contractor for a whole wad of cash

I've seen people claim that Bethesda did something similar, being influenced by the LotR in designing Oblivion and the cringe-inducing viking trend that was around when they made Skyrim. If this is true then one can surmise that the next game will be Hammerfell, in emulation of the ****** trend of the 2020s.

Something bad happened after release of Morrowind. maybe some devs quit idk, but it was never the same after, just Derivative (but not as bad as I typed above, just a trickle which gets larger and larger)

[Red7]

I hate m*rrowind

morrowind is OG fuckmeat simulator

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[Vaako]

If it has the same graphics it would only be played by a very small niche audience if it was allowed to be released at all on steam. Most mainstream gamers are still graphicwhores. Just a week ago I started to play the Archolos mod for Gothic2 and while its not as good as the base game it is still more fun than most other games these days but the graphics certainly arent a selling point. ( just too many invincible npcs and doors/chest you cant open unless you have the right quest or you are in the right chapter)

But yeah the Telvanni were great, also best rewards from all houses, the crazy ***** in Tel Brannor gave you an enchanted daedric cuirass/greaves with feather enchantment.

[Vergil]

People would jerk themselves silly over it looking retro and having gay/***** representation with Crassius and Vivec. Sloptube grifters would hake 4 hour videos about how woke it is.

[WaterMage]

If Morrowind was made by modern Bethesda you'd be required to free the slaves and defeat House Telvanni as part of the main quest, which would start with you being declared the Nerevarine moments after the game begins.

Also there would be no spears.

And no attributes, no racial diferentiation, no drawbacks in signs ...

[Ranselknulf]

d1p

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[Vergil]

If Morrowind was made by modern Bethesda you'd be required to free the slaves and defeat House Telvanni as part of the main quest, which would start with you being declared the Nerevarine moments after the game begins.

Also there would be no spears.

And no attributes, no racial diferentiation, no drawbacks in signs ...

Skyrim has racial differentiation and birthsigns being half-baked with only some having advantages/disadvantages has been a problem since Morrowind.

[Tweed]

RPG Ranking thread says Morrowind is RPGHQs most loved game with like double the points of runner up!

my users are idiots

Rusty becomes more like DU with each passing moment.