No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[Hyborian]

You ******* are insufferable and desperately need a dose of grass touching. Roided physique has been part of fantasy aesthetic longer than you have been alive.

[orinEsque]

You ******* are insufferable and desperately need a dose of grass touching. Roided physique has been part of fantasy aesthetic longer than you have been alive.

Isn't this primarily because this sort of image was what was popular in the media at the time?

[Hyborian]

Dark Sun went woke!!!!1

[Rand]

Dark Sun went woke!!!!1

Some background on the pic:

She's a gladiator.
Athas is deep into the gladiator arenas in the cities.
They train them from birth, and use spells and alchemy to do what we do with biochemistry.
Their sorceror-kings even transformed themselves into enormous draconic shapes.

[UltraFan123]

Well Conan the Barbarian and imagery inspired by him does make sense because of his setting and origin story, but not every single fantasy hero is someone who has been constantly fighting non-stop since childhood.

EDIT: Also, Dark Sun is an IP owned by ******* of the Coast so I reckon it was going to eventually be tainted if it wasn't already.

[Hyborian]

Isn't this primarily because this sort of image was what was popular in the media at the time?

I'm not sure what you mean by "at the time". Those artworks are decades apart. It's always been popular.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

You ******* are insufferable and desperately need a dose of grass touching. Roided physique has been part of fantasy aesthetic longer than you have been alive.

Thanks God fantasy outgrown this and more mature settings and genres were created.

[SoLong]

You ******* are insufferable and desperately need a dose of grass touching. Roided physique has been part of fantasy aesthetic longer than you have been alive.

Thanks God fantasy outgrown this.

I hope that was sarcasm because anything depicted here is infinitely superior to 95% of the **** produced today.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

You ******* are insufferable and desperately need a dose of grass touching. Roided physique has been part of fantasy aesthetic longer than you have been alive.

Thanks God fantasy outgrown this.

I hope that was sarcasm because anything depicted here is infinitely superior to 95% of the **** produced today.

Who is talking about today ****?

[UltraFan123]

You ******* are insufferable and desperately need a dose of grass touching. Roided physique has been part of fantasy aesthetic longer than you have been alive.

Thanks God fantasy outgrown this.

I hope that was sarcasm because anything depicted here is infinitely superior to 95% of the **** produced today.

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

So I believe it boils down to if every single fantasy hero has to be a "barbarian" like how it was back in the day where pretty much every fantasy author and his cousin was making a Conan wannabe.

[SoLong]

Who is talking about today ****?

You are. If you outgrow the past you end up in the present. That's how time works.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

I don't know if this is right, but I think that sword and sorcery fantasy is part of low fantasy genre. I prefer high fantasy.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Who is talking about today ****?

You are. If you outgrow the past you end up in the present. That's how time works.

Isn't low fantasy was before high fantasy?

[SoLong]

Who is talking about today ****?

You are. If you outgrow the past you end up in the present. That's how time works.

Isn't low fantasy was before high fantasy?

No, we were just talking about fantasy in general, not even the guy you replied to talked about low fantasy exclusively. As he already pointed out to you those pictures were made decades apart.

[Hyborian]

Thanks God fantasy outgrown this.

I hope that was sarcasm because anything depicted here is infinitely superior to 95% of the **** produced today.

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

So I believe it boils down to if every single fantasy hero has to be a "barbarian" like how it was back in the day where pretty much every fantasy author and his cousin was making a Conan wannabe.

Every warrior/fighter archetype with superhuman level of strength should look roided out. It doesn't make sense for a character to be as powerful as a giant or troll and look like Ryan Gosling.

[Jordy]

Boris Vallejo style art works well for promotional stuff but not sure how it would work actually in a game today. I'd be interested if someone could make it work though.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

You are. If you outgrow the past you end up in the present. That's how time works.

Isn't low fantasy was before high fantasy?

No, we were just talking about fantasy in general, not even the guy you replied to talked about low fantasy exclusively. As he already pointed out to you those pictures were made decades apart.

I don't know how to answer to this. My point was that fantasy doesn't stopped on low fantasy, it evolved in high fantasy, warriors eventually figured out that fighting completely naked doesn't work for long, so they put on armor, for example.


Or this:

warrior/fighter archetype with superhuman level of strength should look roided out. It doesn't make sense for a character to be as powerful as a giant or troll and look like Ryan Gosling.

Not every warrior must be with "superhuman level of strength".

[orinEsque]

I hope that was sarcasm because anything depicted here is infinitely superior to 95% of the **** produced today.

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

So I believe it boils down to if every single fantasy hero has to be a "barbarian" like how it was back in the day where pretty much every fantasy author and his cousin was making a Conan wannabe.

Every warrior/fighter archetype with superhuman level of strength should look roided out. It doesn't make sense for a character to be as powerful as a giant or troll and look like Ryan Gosling.

you're literally making a special snowflake. Why would you choose an ugly face? It kind of weirds me out when the same men complaining about ugly women shoehorned by SJWs want conan the barbarian instead of Henry Cavilles. (not that arnold wasn't attractive in his prime ofcourse)

[rusty_shackleford]

Never was a fan of Frazetta's work, the men look silly. Larry Elmore, Clyde Caldwell, & Jeff Easley are representative of D&D art as was intended.


(official Red Sonja TSR cover — note the lack of looking like a man!)


If you go through the old D&D art you'll find not much focusing on the male body. You're supposed to be wearing armor

[SoLong]

Not every warrior must be with "superhuman level of strength".

Absolutely correct.

However, the ones we're talking about here in the BG3 thread are warriors fighting a trio of literal gods and a giant eldritch abomination.

I don't think that a garden variety strength warrior is gonna cut it here. From a storytelling rather than gameplay mechanic perspective.

[orinEsque]

Let's see some peak male physique in the olden days without roids.
Farnese Hercules

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Not every warrior must be with "superhuman level of strength".

Absolutely correct.

However, the ones we're talking about here in the BG3 thread are warriors fighting a trio of literal gods and a giant eldritch abomination.

I don't think that a garden variety strength warrior is gonna cut it here. From a storytelling rather than gameplay mechanic perspective.

This type of strenght fits me perfectly.

[Finarfin]

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

So I believe it boils down to if every single fantasy hero has to be a "barbarian" like how it was back in the day where pretty much every fantasy author and his cousin was making a Conan wannabe.

Every warrior/fighter archetype with superhuman level of strength should look roided out. It doesn't make sense for a character to be as powerful as a giant or troll and look like Ryan Gosling.

you're literally making a special snowflake. Why would you choose an ugly face? It kind of weirds me out when the same men complaining about ugly women shoehorned by SJWs want conan the barbarian instead of Henry Cavilles. (not that arnold wasn't attractive in his prime ofcourse)

>talking about conan the barbarian
>mentions arnold
Oh **** off, respectfully. His portrayal of Conan is a ******* insult. And yes, I want my characters to look like Conan, why would I want him to look like Henry Cavill?

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Just look at these depictions of Conan, why would I not want my character to look like this, especially if I play a barbarian. A man doesn't to look handsome unless he has a normal build (like Ryan Gosling)

[orinEsque]

Every warrior/fighter archetype with superhuman level of strength should look roided out. It doesn't make sense for a character to be as powerful as a giant or troll and look like Ryan Gosling.

you're literally making a special snowflake. Why would you choose an ugly face? It kind of weirds me out when the same men complaining about ugly women shoehorned by SJWs want conan the barbarian instead of Henry Cavilles. (not that arnold wasn't attractive in his prime ofcourse)

>talking about conan the barbarian
>mentions arnold
Oh **** off, respectfully. His portrayal of Conan is a ******* insult. And yes, I want my characters to look like Conan, why would I want him to look like Henry Cavill?

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Just look at these depictions of Conan, why would I not want my character to look like this, especially if I play a barbarian. A man doesn't to look handsome unless he has a normal build (like Ryan Gosling)

wrong. Jason Momoa is very attractive. He's quite well built.
Edit: man in your picture is attractive too............
But wtf is this abomination!?

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Let's see some peak male physique in the olden days without roids.
Farnese Hercules

I'm kinda lost. What is your point?

[SoLong]

Not every warrior must be with "superhuman level of strength".

Absolutely correct.

However, the ones we're talking about here in the BG3 thread are warriors fighting a trio of literal gods and a giant eldritch abomination.

I don't think that a garden variety strength warrior is gonna cut it here. From a storytelling rather than gameplay mechanic perspective.

This type of strenght fits me perfectly.

Then why are you complaining about other people designing mods for levels of strength that suits them?

We already established it's neither lorebreaking nor foreign to the genre. I don't see what your problem is outside of "I don't like it".

[Hyborian]

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

So I believe it boils down to if every single fantasy hero has to be a "barbarian" like how it was back in the day where pretty much every fantasy author and his cousin was making a Conan wannabe.

Every warrior/fighter archetype with superhuman level of strength should look roided out. It doesn't make sense for a character to be as powerful as a giant or troll and look like Ryan Gosling.

you're literally making a special snowflake. Why would you choose an ugly face? It kind of weirds me out when the same men complaining about ugly women shoehorned by SJWs want conan the barbarian instead of Henry Cavilles. (not that arnold wasn't attractive in his prime ofcourse)

I'm talking about physique. Ryan is otter mode.

[orinEsque]

Let's see some peak male physique in the olden days without roids.
Farnese Hercules

I'm kinda lost. What is your point?

This bit doesn't look overexagerrated in roided up people.

[Finarfin]

you're literally making a special snowflake. Why would you choose an ugly face? It kind of weirds me out when the same men complaining about ugly women shoehorned by SJWs want conan the barbarian instead of Henry Cavilles. (not that arnold wasn't attractive in his prime ofcourse)

>talking about conan the barbarian
>mentions arnold
Oh **** off, respectfully. His portrayal of Conan is a ******* insult. And yes, I want my characters to look like Conan, why would I want him to look like Henry Cavill?

► Show Spoiler

Just look at these depictions of Conan, why would I not want my character to look like this, especially if I play a barbarian. A man doesn't to look handsome unless he has a normal build (like Ryan Gosling)

wrong. Jason Momoa is very attractive. He's quite well built.
Edit: man in your picture is attractive too............
But wtf is this abomination!?

That's just how Conan looks in the books and comics. He's not some handsome man, he is a stoic, intelligent and intimidating man.

On that note, gonna have to read the books again.

[Hyborian]

you're literally making a special snowflake. Why would you choose an ugly face? It kind of weirds me out when the same men complaining about ugly women shoehorned by SJWs want conan the barbarian instead of Henry Cavilles. (not that arnold wasn't attractive in his prime ofcourse)

>talking about conan the barbarian
>mentions arnold
Oh **** off, respectfully. His portrayal of Conan is a ******* insult. And yes, I want my characters to look like Conan, why would I want him to look like Henry Cavill?

► Show Spoiler

Just look at these depictions of Conan, why would I not want my character to look like this, especially if I play a barbarian. A man doesn't to look handsome unless he has a normal build (like Ryan Gosling)

wrong. Jason Momoa is very attractive. He's quite well built.
Edit: man in your picture is attractive too............
But wtf is this abomination!?

A warrior from hyborian age. Men used to be built different back then.