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Make Whiterun White Again 2025.04.08 — The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

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Make Whiterun White Again 2025.04.08 — The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition

Post by Hank Hill »

Make Whiterun White Again is a small mod that makes five characters in Whiterun look like they've been marrying into the population, and have become more or less genetically integrated.

The only ultra-dark Redguards living in Whiterun should be fresh from Hammerfel, such as the case of Sadia, who is there as a refugee.

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It's great that the city is whiter and all, but I don't think the lore supports Redguards lightening up or "genetically integrating" over time, even across a lot of generations. The "lore friendly" way to do this mod is race swap these characters entirely

Morrowind's Humanoid Races topic quote:
Offspring of inter-racial matings have the racial appearance of the mother, but may occasionally share inherited characteristics and abilities of the father...
There's also a book that's been in the past 3 Elder Scrolls games, Notes on Racial Phylogeny, that reaffirms that a child's appearance follows the mother, and the father only adds the occasional trait
After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.
So a Redguard mother gives you a Redguard child pretty much, and if that child is male and has children with a Nord mother, then they're wholly pale and Nordic again. And if the child has children with an elf mother, that child ends up a straight up elf, not a half-elf or elf with differently colored skin. And I don't think there's conventional evolution in ES, so they wouldn't evolve to become paler either.

Here are some NPCs that had different raced parents as an:
  • Sapphire (Skyrim) - Breton father, but a full Nord
  • Evette San (Skyrim) - Breton father, also just a Nord.
  • Kayd (Skyrim) - a Redguard Wife, Nord father, fully Redguard
  • The Lylvieve kids (Skyrim) - Redguard father , Breton mother, and both children are full Bretons
  • Minette Vinius (Skyrim) - a Nord, even though father is an Imperial
  • The Oreyn family (Farvyn in Morrowind, Modryn in Oblivion) - a Dunmer-Bosmer bloodline, all read as Dunmer
  • Tobias (Redguard) – a Cyro-Nord who just gets called a Nord, his father's race.

The one case I can think of a half breed having different skin color is the Grey Prince in Oblivion, but he's a fluke. He's still an Orc, just unusually pale grey skinned one, but it didn't come from his father being an Imperial. His father turned out to be a vampire. So the single case where a mixed child's skin looks off is because of that I think, not ordinary interbreeding

Bretons are technically a mixed breed too, but they just got the magical side of the elves, not partial elven appearance.



TLDR if following lore autism, they should be race swapped, not just paler Redguards who got paler from living in Skyrim
Last edited by loregamer on June 28th, 2026, 19:57, edited 2 times in total.
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