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I just finished playing through the games again and thought it'd be worth discussing and hearing what others think, favorites, plot, mechanics, characters, etc.

I still don't think the first one has been topped in terms of story personally,. The allusions to real life conspiracies and predictions makes it very immersive and believable. 100% better than the Square Enix games, except for the stealth gameplay.

I tend to keep going back to Human Revolution because of the art style, atmosphere, music and addictive gameplay. It's top notch. Stealth gameplay specifically is really fun despite the AI being pretty dumb. Downsides being they put ******* everywhere but the woke elements are tolerable compared to today's games. Unfortunately the original version is no longer available for purchase.

The director's cut version while better in some aspects (level design and boss battles) includes that ****** DLC that was shoehorned into the middle of the game which wrecks the pacing. It also runs like **** on PC without alot of tweaking. The atmosphere in the DLC is still good but I can't stand the character
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Overall, I'd say it's a worth sequel to Deus Ex and offers a lot of player choice.

Mankind Divided I avoided for years because I thought it would be absolute ****. However, it turns out to be genuinely quite enjoyable despite the pozzed Aug Lives Matter ****. There are feminist overtones (aggressive, overly numerous female cops, super competent woman tropes) but are generally not that bad until the DLC. Another downside is the shoehorning of ******* all over Prague where they make no sense (shop keepers, police, etc.). Wish there was a mod to remove all that.

The gameplay takes what was great about HR and expanded and refined it greatly, 100% the star if the show here. The level of detail and design of the levels are also much improved with many secrets and ways to go about completing objectives. The new graphics engine is very pleasing on the eyes too and runs way smoother than HR.

Story is interesting in the beginning but gets predictable fairly quickly
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IMO the main story is not as interesting as the side missions, but there are way more side missions than HR and they are pretty diverse in content. A lot of them revolve around detective work and exploration, which I found enjoyable as I try to find all the secrets in games. Overall would recommend.

UPDATE: Finished All DLCs
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Fox1 wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:17
I just finished playing through the games again
What's your opinion on invisible war & project snowblind?
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I finished the original game as a part of the adventurer's guild last year. I thought it was neat that the game didn't end in a stereotypical videogame final boss battle against the director guy in the laser forcefield. Instead I just shot an engineer and flipped the switch to a nuclear reactor and high tailed out.
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I have the Square Enix Deus Ex games in my Steam library. The aesthetic looks cool so I might get around to them eventually.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:26
Fox1 wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:17
I just finished playing through the games again
What's your opinion on invisible war & project snowblind?
I haven't played either of those yet regrettably, but I intend to play them soon and see. I forgot about invisible war
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Deus Ex 1 and Invisible War are still the high points in the series.
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Unhelpful Contrarian wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:30
Invisible War are still the high points in the series
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I crave more Omar-like factions in RPGs. Fictional transhumanists that aren't written by modern liberals. Other examples I can remember off the top of my head are Faceless/Tchortists from Underrail and the entire posthuman liberal hell described in Transmetropolitan. Also Borg.
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MrTwinkls wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:56
I crave more Omar-like factions in RPGs. Fictional transhumanists that aren't written by modern liberals. Other examples I can remember off the top of my head are Faceless/Tchortists from Underrail and the entire posthuman liberal hell described in Transmetropolitan. Also Borg.
iirc EYE Divine Cybermancy might have this
it's a fairly ****** game either way
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@Fox1 if you've got your completion screenshot from doosex, go grab your badge in the doosex thread
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:58
MrTwinkls wrote: March 29th, 2025, 21:56
I crave more Omar-like factions in RPGs. Fictional transhumanists that aren't written by modern liberals. Other examples I can remember off the top of my head are Faceless/Tchortists from Underrail and the entire posthuman liberal hell described in Transmetropolitan. Also Borg.
iirc EYE Divine Cybermancy might have this
it's a fairly ****** game either way
Might give it a chance later then. Last time I tried to play it a decade ago I didn't like it.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:02
@Fox1 if you've got your completion screenshot from doosex, go grab your badge in the doosex thread
I'll have to replay it again to take an SS lol. Not that I mind, I'll remember to
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Fox1 wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:19
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:02
@Fox1 if you've got your completion screenshot from doosex, go grab your badge in the doosex thread
I'll have to replay it again to take an SS lol. Not that I mind, I'll remember to
Save files are normally retained after uninstallation unless you went out of your way to delete them
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Oyster Sauce wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:23
Fox1 wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:19
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:02
@Fox1 if you've got your completion screenshot from doosex, go grab your badge in the doosex thread
I'll have to replay it again to take an SS lol. Not that I mind, I'll remember to
Save files are normally retained after uninstallation unless you went out of your way to delete them
When I played the original Deus Ex I was on Windows 7, but since I recently got new hardware a few months ago I had to upgrade to W10 to use it and forgot to backup my save folders :groan: It's all good, I kind of want to replay it again anyway and try another approach, after I get it set up and working on W10 that is.
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It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
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ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:30
It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
I don't think the nazis come up in deusex :scratch-pipe:
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:32
ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:30
It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
I don't think the nazis come up in deusex :scratch-pipe:
It was wise of them not to be so explicit but he did just mention a case where you're supposed to aid the mossad agent over the blonde woman, in the evil base that is operated like a Menegele concentration camp. So if anything there is no "Nazis" because patriotic Americans are considered synonymous with them, so there's no need to mention them by name.
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ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:33
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:32
ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:30
It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
I don't think the nazis come up in deusex :scratch-pipe:
It was wise of them not to be so explicit but he did just mention a case where you're supposed to aid the mossad agent over the blonde woman, in the evil base that is operated like a Menegele concentration camp. So if anything there is no "Nazis" because patriotic Americans are considered synonymous with them, so there's no need to mention them by name.
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ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:30
It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
I noticed this is a common theme with boomers. Everything totalitarian or authoritarian is le Nazis to them. Not a single idea about what the commies did. How does it make sense that the Nazis would want Germany full of brown people if they are racists? Full ******** lol
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Fox1 wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:38
ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:30
It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
I noticed this is a common theme with boomers. Everything totalitarian or authoritarian is le Nazis to them. Not a single idea about what the commies did. How does it make sense that the Nazis would want Germany full of brown people if they are racists? Full ******** lol
Yes, the Russian Soviet boomers are exactly the same. Two peas in a lovey-dovey Anglo-hating pod.
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ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:33
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:32
ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:30
It's funny how a lot of the explicit conspiracy theory topics in games and movies actually manage to corral the players/ viewers all towards "da Nazzziiiiis are evil!!!" as if that hasn't been the default position for these countries since WW2. The illuminati/ MK Ultra stuff quickly went into the territory of blaming everything on irrational racists trying to divide us all, and crrrrazy Mengele (who is likely innocent of all he is accused of). Wouldn't be surprised if those scientists they brought over were simply scapegoats since they're the only ones that didn't have their names redacted from the US papers.
I don't think the nazis come up in deusex :scratch-pipe:
It was wise of them not to be so explicit but he did just mention a case where you're supposed to aid the mossad agent over the blonde woman, in the evil base that is operated like a Menegele concentration camp. So if anything there is no "Nazis" because patriotic Americans are considered synonymous with them, so there's no need to mention them by name.
That's Human Revolution where they tried to pull an X-men by saying augmentation = racism. Which problematically implies you can be transracial by being augmented.
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J1M wrote: March 30th, 2025, 00:45
ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:33
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:32


I don't think the nazis come up in deusex :scratch-pipe:
It was wise of them not to be so explicit but he did just mention a case where you're supposed to aid the mossad agent over the blonde woman, in the evil base that is operated like a Menegele concentration camp. So if anything there is no "Nazis" because patriotic Americans are considered synonymous with them, so there's no need to mention them by name.
That's Human Revolution where they tried to pull an X-men by saying augmentation = racism. Which problematically implies you can be transracial by being augmented.
Even without the racial hierarchy stuff. It's just more broadly being depicted as the secretive oppressor figure in the dialectic.

In the early games and the newer ones, there is generally a theme of the Illuminati and the evil Capitalists being White, whereas the NSF leader that drops redpills for the player is a ******.

The overall impression: Civic Patriotist alliance of free thinkers vs the great evil secret society of oppressors which just happen to all be White.
Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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ArcaneLurker wrote: March 30th, 2025, 01:09
J1M wrote: March 30th, 2025, 00:45
ArcaneLurker wrote: March 29th, 2025, 22:33


It was wise of them not to be so explicit but he did just mention a case where you're supposed to aid the mossad agent over the blonde woman, in the evil base that is operated like a Menegele concentration camp. So if anything there is no "Nazis" because patriotic Americans are considered synonymous with them, so there's no need to mention them by name.
That's Human Revolution where they tried to pull an X-men by saying augmentation = racism. Which problematically implies you can be transracial by being augmented.
Even without the racial hierarchy stuff. It's just more broadly being depicted as the secretive oppressor figure in the dialectic.

In the early games and the newer ones, there is generally a theme of the Illuminati and the evil Capitalists being White, whereas the NSF leader that drops redpills for the player is a ******.

The overall impression: Civic Patriotist alliance of free thinkers vs the great evil secret society of oppressors which just happen to all be White.
Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Morgan Everett is a brown. He helps JC in DX1, but only because he got couped by Bob Page.
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I noticed a lot of zoomers & non americans take deus ex much more seriously than ever intended. 90s was peak conspiracy theory media, you can find similar themes in a bunch of other products from that time period.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: March 30th, 2025, 01:51
I noticed a lot of zoomers & non americans take deus ex much more seriously than ever intended. 90s was peak conspiracy theory media, you can find similar themes in a bunch of other products from that time period.
The 90s peak conspiracy media is exactly the kind of media I'm talking about.
It's inspired by something that was very serious, and rife with antisemitism prior, yet it manages to curtail that towards a different avenue, all while turning it into entertainment.

Anyway, the point is that a lot of these things are intended to promote Civil Rights & Civic Patriotism, but that goes for a lot of things I suppose.
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ArcaneLurker wrote: March 30th, 2025, 02:15
rusty_shackleford wrote: March 30th, 2025, 01:51
I noticed a lot of zoomers & non americans take deus ex much more seriously than ever intended. 90s was peak conspiracy theory media, you can find similar themes in a bunch of other products from that time period.
The 90s peak conspiracy media is exactly the kind of media I'm talking about.
It's inspired by something that was very serious, and rife with antisemitism prior, yet it manages to curtail that towards a different avenue, all while turning it into entertainment.

Anyway, the point is that a lot of these things are intended to promote Civil Rights & Civic Patriotism, but that goes for a lot of things I suppose.
:scratch:
90s was still a time period when you could make a game where playing as nazis was no big deal, if not expected in certain genres(e.g., wargaming), and in the latter it was often the only nation you could play as.
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Human Revolution is one of the best video games ever made.
I'm just stating the facts.
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Vergil wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:47
Human Revolution is one of the best video games ever made.
Mankind Divided is better in every way except story.
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traxtan wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:52
Vergil wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:47
Human Revolution is one of the best video games ever made.
Mankind Divided is better in every way except story.
That's not mutually exclusive with my statement. I haven't played much of Mankind Divided because I'm autistic and want to play it back to back with Human Revolution but I usually get burnt out and want to play something else before I can get to it so it's sat unplayed for almost an actual decade now **** **** **** **** **** **** :headbang:
I'm just stating the facts.
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Vergil wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:53
traxtan wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:52
Vergil wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:47
Human Revolution is one of the best video games ever made.
Mankind Divided is better in every way except story.
That's not mutually exclusive with my statement. I haven't played much of Mankind Divided because I'm autistic and want to play it back to back with Human Revolution but I usually get burnt out and want to play something else before I can get to it so it's sat unplayed for almost an actual decade now **** **** **** **** **** **** :headbang:
Just play it man there's a recap video you could play inside the game and none of your decisions carry over anyway.
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traxtan wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:55
Vergil wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:53
traxtan wrote: March 30th, 2025, 05:52


Mankind Divided is better in every way except story.
That's not mutually exclusive with my statement. I haven't played much of Mankind Divided because I'm autistic and want to play it back to back with Human Revolution but I usually get burnt out and want to play something else before I can get to it so it's sat unplayed for almost an actual decade now **** **** **** **** **** **** :headbang:
Just play it man there's a recap video you could play inside the game and none of your decisions carry over anyway.
You don't understand... I have to have a meta commentary where I play HR non-lethal and the events of that game cause him to become jaded and I go full lethal in MD...
I'm just stating the facts.
Question is are you going to gargle the truth or swallow?