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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:02
Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:01
I don't have the pictures on me, but I've seen comparison shots that show the golden cloth texture on his shoulder and the golden turban ornament are completely different from the static images. Not an expert, but I'd consider that to be more of an LSD trip than minor hiccup.
Could just be leaks from different people, one of them running the game on lower settings.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:38
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:02
Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:01
I don't have the pictures on me, but I've seen comparison shots that show the golden cloth texture on his shoulder and the golden turban ornament are completely different from the static images. Not an expert, but I'd consider that to be more of an LSD trip than minor hiccup.
Could just be leaks from different people, one of them running the game on lower settings.
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Taken by different people with different graphics settings, and/or artifacts of AI frame generation.
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definitely either taken by someone else or the same person on different settings, the texture quality on the background is way lower with the normal maps at a much lower resolution
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And I really doubt that AI would have guessed the canvas behind him should be swaying, but I could be wrong
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Webm looks AI gen. As Oyster pointed out, the pattern is different, and it's not just inconsistency in the quality of it.
When you look inside the pattern (particularly the big swirl on top of the shoulder since it's the biggest chunk and most easy to track with eyes), you can see it morph with each frame, literally going through mitosis of some kind, which is a thing you can see very often (if not always) with AI gens -- it struggles with the idea of keeping pattern intact during any sort of movement. It struggles with patterns even on static images to be honest.

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I wouldn't disregard actual screenshots as fake (cause those are real ofc), but webm is suspicious.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:54
definitely either taken by someone else or the same person on different settings, the texture quality on the background is way lower with the normal maps at a much lower resolution
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And I really doubt that AI would have guessed the canvas behind him should be swaying, but I could be wrong
Are fake frames that severe? Here's Henry from the first game in a patterned coat. Ultra High vs Lowest.

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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 01:28
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:54
definitely either taken by someone else or the same person on different settings, the texture quality on the background is way lower with the normal maps at a much lower resolution
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And I really doubt that AI would have guessed the canvas behind him should be swaying, but I could be wrong
Are fake frames that severe? Here's Henry from the first game in a patterned coat. Ultra High vs Lowest.

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shrug, if you can find an AI video generator capable of generating something similar I'll believe it's an AI video
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Also, the necklace barely moves in the webm, in all the AIs I tried they model the necklace physically and it moves like a real necklace.
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I'll concede to the character being real, but I still rank the leak a 3/10 so far since that's the only thing the leaker has shown mostly to rage bait people, even with the denuvo watermarking excuse. Talk about the rest of the **** game if you're already leaking ****.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 00:01
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 23:42
I've seen people claim the webm is AI, and I partially disagree. I'll rest my main reasoning on the way his shoulder bends:
You can see his left shoulder pinch inwards.
AI wouldn't generate unnatural movement like that, it would almost certainly be trained on footage of actual people, not video game characters. That's skinned mesh deformation. The shoulder area is notoriously difficult to skin properly, and non-realtime 3D animation will make heavy use of blendshapes(corrective blendshapes) to correct these sorts of errors.

So, why the partial?
Because it is AI. It's most likely using DLSS, which is AI. Any minor AI hallucinations you see could easily be the result of DLSS, either upscaling or frame generation.

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Oyster Sauce wrote: ↑ January 9th, 2025, 16:06
The camera isn't even moving and the fake frames have caused the takeout box to be crumpled for some reason and added two pulsating slits to the top of the drink cup. The future is so cool.

I don't have the pictures on me, but I've seen comparison shots that show the golden cloth texture on his shoulder and the golden turban ornament are completely different from the static images. Not an expert, but I'd consider that to be more of an LSD trip than minor hiccup.

Not that I consider that to be evidence against the character existing. If the clip was generated using AI from the screenshot, it was a false flag to keep the cope going. Vavra's silence on the matter is absolute confirmation.

The only way left to copium out of this at this point is to hope this is a gay marketing scheme by Vavra himself to generate controversy and then #BASED shut it down, but that's just too ********.
This is something that crossed my mind yesterday. A sort of a ******** "5d chess move" when this character is only present in the preview versions of the game to satisfy the likes of IGN ***** and doesn't exist in the full version. But that is borderline tinfoil hat stuff with insane amounts of hopium :lol:
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Silver wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 01:22
Webm looks AI gen. As Oyster pointed out, the pattern is different, and it's not just inconsistency in the quality of it.
When you look inside the pattern (particularly the big swirl on top of the shoulder since it's the biggest chunk and most easy to track with eyes), you can see it morph with each frame, literally going through mitosis of some kind, which is a thing you can see very often (if not always) with AI gens -- it struggles with the idea of keeping pattern intact during any sort of movement. It struggles with patterns even on static images to be honest.

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I wouldn't disregard actual screenshots as fake (cause those are real ofc), but webm is suspicious.
I'm with Rusty, it's almost certainly deformation caused by (probably AI powered) post processing. The likelihood of AI continuously being able to generate the same character down to the folds in the mesh is pretty much zero.
GotPlatinum wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 02:16
Talk about the rest of the **** game already.
Goy behaviour.

Why does it matter that they've gone back on their word? Why does it matter that they're ******** on European history? Why does it matter that Europeans are portrayed as black?

Game is pozzed garbage. Grow a ******* backbone, and actually have some convictions for once in your life.
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TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 08:03
Goy behaviour.

Why does it matter that they've gone back on their word? Why does it matter that they're ******** on European history? Why does it matter that Europeans are portrayed as black?

Game is pozzed garbage. Grow a ******* backbone, and actually have some convictions for once in your life.
My apologizes for thinking the leaker could be doing a lot more by revealing more woke stuff and other aspects of the game. Silly me.
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GotPlatinum wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 08:51
TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 08:03
Goy behaviour.

Why does it matter that they've gone back on their word? Why does it matter that they're ******** on European history? Why does it matter that Europeans are portrayed as black?

Game is pozzed garbage. Grow a ******* backbone, and actually have some convictions for once in your life.
My apologizes for thinking the leaker could be doing a lot more by revealing more woke stuff and other aspects of the game. Silly me.
I suppose that's fair. I based my assessment off the term 'rage-bait', which I do not view it as. In fact that downplays the issue by making it seem unreasonable.

There may be more wokeslop in the game, but I fail to see its relevance -- Musa of Mali is already so blatant, and so antithetical to their original position, that the game is worthless to me.

They are untrustworthy, performative, liars.

I will not buy their game; and neither should you.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:17
Apparently the reason for the lack of leaks is the preview builds are all using denuvo with denuvo's watermarking features
That would be of course absolute gold if they are adding Denuvo now as well. So far there is no mention of it, but it not being on GOG day 1 is certainly not a great sign.
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1998 wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 09:19
rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 12th, 2025, 15:17
Apparently the reason for the lack of leaks is the preview builds are all using denuvo with denuvo's watermarking features
That would be of course absolute gold if they are adding Denuvo now as well. So far there is no mention of it, but it not being on GOG day 1 is certainly not a great sign.
It's not supposed to be in the full version. But can't trust this guy anymore. He crushed my last sliver of hope.
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WHAT THE ****?
You may as well not bother replying to my posts if it's to argue anything except concrete facts or your personal opinion. I still probably won't see it.
Reject your retarded-wing political programming and learn to think.
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Rand wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 09:53
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WHAT THE ****?
Probably Jester farm, but even if i isn't it helps by increasing visibility to normgroids.
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The amount of copium within the readers of Czech gaming outlets is high. They insist on a muslim African country during middle ages where slavery was rampant to be a safe country for women and they continue simping. Arguing with mere facts without insults led to me being called a bigot, racist, scum etc. Lol
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A comment on the steam community hub basically said what I was thinking about.
However, dunno how a Muslim from Mali would be allowed free reign in Kuttenberg, much less Bohemia at large. The Mali Empire had no trade routes to Central Europe or the HRE until the Hapsburg dynasty nearly a century later, which also controlled Spain.

Kuttenburg was really strict about who was allowed live and do business there. They didn't even allow **** to live in the city, or even stay overnight - they had to do their business in the day and leave before dusk. There's just no way some rando Islamic dude from the Mali Empire is going to be hanging out there - so there would have to be some pretty far-fetched circumstances if he's there.
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Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 10:56
A comment on the steam community hub basically said what I was thinking about.
However, dunno how a Muslim from Mali would be allowed free reign in Kuttenberg, much less Bohemia at large. The Mali Empire had no trade routes to Central Europe or the HRE until the Hapsburg dynasty nearly a century later, which also controlled Spain.

Kuttenburg was really strict about who was allowed live and do business there. They didn't even allow **** to live in the city, or even stay overnight - they had to do their business in the day and leave before dusk. There's just no way some rando Islamic dude from the Mali Empire is going to be hanging out there - so there would have to be some pretty far-fetched circumstances if he's there.
Not to mention, he'd have had to speak Latin or Greek to even ply his trade as a doctor or surgeon. Let alone to be able to speak to Sigismund.

Very unlikely that any of this would be true.
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TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:04
Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 10:56
A comment on the steam community hub basically said what I was thinking about.
However, dunno how a Muslim from Mali would be allowed free reign in Kuttenberg, much less Bohemia at large. The Mali Empire had no trade routes to Central Europe or the HRE until the Hapsburg dynasty nearly a century later, which also controlled Spain.

Kuttenburg was really strict about who was allowed live and do business there. They didn't even allow **** to live in the city, or even stay overnight - they had to do their business in the day and leave before dusk. There's just no way some rando Islamic dude from the Mali Empire is going to be hanging out there - so there would have to be some pretty far-fetched circumstances if he's there.
Not to mention, he'd have had to speak Latin or Greek to even ply his trade as a doctor or surgeon. Let alone to be able to speak to Sigismund.

Very unlikely that any of this would be true.
They will say that Mali saved someone important on a hunt or something with his vast knowledge while nobody else couldn't and so he became one of trusted people. Like in all those ubiquitous modern Asian isekai crap stories.
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MrTwinkls wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:38
TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:04
Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 10:56
A comment on the steam community hub basically said what I was thinking about.

Not to mention, he'd have had to speak Latin or Greek to even ply his trade as a doctor or surgeon. Let alone to be able to speak to Sigismund.

Very unlikely that any of this would be true.
They will say that Mali saved someone important on a hunt or something with his vast knowledge while nobody else couldn't and so he became one of trusted people. Like in all those ubiquitous modern Asian isekai crap stories.
Sad but, likely, true. It's historical revisionism in the worst form -- not done for mechanical, or story purposes. It is entirely done for inclusiveness.

It shouldn't be there, and that it is, is offensive.

It genuinely, and without exaggeration, is a reason to not buy the game, and to discontinue any support to the developer, until they either change it, or go bankrupt.
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MrTwinkls wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:38
TKVNC wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 11:04
Cmdr Shepard wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 10:56
A comment on the steam community hub basically said what I was thinking about.

Not to mention, he'd have had to speak Latin or Greek to even ply his trade as a doctor or surgeon. Let alone to be able to speak to Sigismund.

Very unlikely that any of this would be true.
They will say that Mali saved someone important on a hunt or something with his vast knowledge while nobody else couldn't and so he became one of trusted people. Like in all those ubiquitous modern Asian isekai crap stories.
Kek, so basically Henry's Story.
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Silver wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 01:22
Webm looks AI gen. As Oyster pointed out, the pattern is different, and it's not just inconsistency in the quality of it.
When you look inside the pattern (particularly the big swirl on top of the shoulder since it's the biggest chunk and most easy to track with eyes), you can see it morph with each frame, literally going through mitosis of some kind, which is a thing you can see very often (if not always) with AI gens -- it struggles with the idea of keeping pattern intact during any sort of movement. It struggles with patterns even on static images to be honest.

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I wouldn't disregard actual screenshots as fake (cause those are real ofc), but webm is suspicious.
Again, this could be explained by a combination of motion blur and DLSS. The problem is there's already AI being used on the footage as is, and if the player had textures so much lower they likely had a very high level of DLSS too.

The animation has too many hallmarks of actual model deformation for me to think it's AI. I'd be really surprised if it is, and curious what model was used.
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This will be more pozzed than most recent games with the black doc due to its well crafted attempt to fool people into thinking it's an accurate representation of European history. Insidious studio
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waiting for Vavra to post something for over a day now so I can reply asking for a comment
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NEETsoc wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 12:52
This will be more pozzed than most recent games with the black doc due to its well crafted attempt to fool people into thinking it's an accurate representation of European history. Insidious studio
I don't recall Concord has any scene where a ****** slandering white chud in front of his face, therefore KCD 2 has out-woked Concord.
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Like I said prior, at least Yasuke was documented to be in Japan and associated with Nobunaga. This is entirely ahistorical, combined with him boasting about how much greater his nation is makes it extremely pozzed moreso than e.g., AC Shadows.
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Shady wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 10:51
The amount of copium within the readers of Czech gaming outlets is high. They insist on a muslim African country during middle ages where slavery was rampant to be a safe country for women and they continue simping. Arguing with mere facts without insults led to me being called a bigot, racist, scum etc. Lol
Most of the people crying at my xweets on xwitters are czechs, I just ask why they disagree with vavra
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rusty_shackleford wrote: ↑ January 13th, 2025, 13:37
Like I said prior, at least Yasuke was documented to be in Japan and associated with Nobunaga. This is entirely ahistorical, combined with him boasting about how much greater his nation is makes it extremely pozzed moreso than e.g., AC Shadows.
I agree that this is about as bad an example as it gets. Still, I'm way more likely to play a white dude on ****** watch, then an actual ******.
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