List of woke and non-woke role-playing games

[twig]

Now that you've had time to pirate KCD2 and play it, do you think it deserves its current rating?

[A Chinese opium den]

Now that you've had time to pirate KCD2 and play it, do you think it deserves its current rating?

I haven't played it, but no I don't think so.
I typed this to mean nothing originally but I will clarify that kcd2 is gay and jewish.

[UltraFan123]

I have seen some of my favorite YouTubers stream the game, and even if you put aside the woke infestation, KCD2 went balls deep with that "real-life immersion" idea complete with horse rides that go on for like an hour and even making the player do mundane work like pulling bags of grain from a carriage or cooking up medicine in a large pot.

Some people are obviously into that, but it was never my personal thing.

[rusty_shackleford]

Now that you've had time to pirate KCD2 and play it, do you think it deserves its current rating?

KCD2 is one of the most pozzed games ever made because context matters

[Vaako]

You could use the same argument for any game, even **** like Dustborn or Veilguard.


Why wait?

The game features the following:
- magical negro that spends all his time ******** on European culture, even doing the "dey don't season dey food" meme
- eating human **** and body parts as part of a satanic Jewish ritual
- several homosexual romances, the most prominent one with your (underage) friend
- Henry having a Jewish step-brother (that he can ****)
- a completely made-up Jewish ghetto and synagogue
- female romance option is a single mother that, allegedly, ***** you with the ****** and won't speak with you if you call her out on it
- hermaphrodites as stand-ins for ******
- getting chummy with Cumans, the same people that killed Henry's family

Please try to explain to me how the **** this game isn't just as degenerate as Veilguard, or any other woke, dogshit game.

There was also that moment where Henry gets drugged & date-raped by a woman, which gets played off as a joke.

That is one possible outcome yes.
Oh and there is a quest later on where you and your allies are besieged and Henry has to sneak outside the castle to get to the camp, get a horse and inform the reinforcements, Samuel accompanies you and tries to do **** on his own. He gets captured by the french dude and tells you to leave him, you can actually and Sam gets hanged in the praguer's camp and since Henry is at the reinforcements, the Prager can't steal the silver you have. If you help Samuel, they manage to steal it.

The irony is if you kill the camp at the end on your own they even give you a pop up that they got defeated. Then you still have to ride to get help and once you back there is a new army. And if you allow the drydevil to eat your dog during the siege, the dog just respawns a few minutes later.

[Toadknight]

Kuro no Kiseki II: Crimson Sin/Trails into Daybreak II

Heavy wokeness. The first game had moderate wokeness, but it was mainly relegated to NPC dialogue, sidequests, and newspapers. Here, it is more front and center in the main storyline.


TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of globalism and condemnation of nationalism.
• c. Narrative endorsement of intersex and transgenderism.
• d. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Long explanation

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a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement

Continuing from the first game, the Calvard Republic has seen an influx of immigrants from the Middle-East and Far East, resulting in the native white Calvardian people slowly becoming a minority in their own land and state. A few characters call this out, but are treated by the narrative as caricatures and as cartoon villains not to be given any heed, and are to be beaten up and mocked. Two chapters are about fighting and arresting anti-immigrationists.









One of the selling points of the first Kuro game was that Van was a fixer, and you could choose how to resolve matters, and that there was a morality alignment system of Law, Grey, and Chaos. Many of the sidequests in Kuro 1 allowed you to choose between being lawful and handing over criminals to the police, to hand criminals over to be brutally disposed of by crime syndicates, or resolving matters out of court. In Kuro 2, there is a side quest where the protagonist Van stumbles upon illegal immigrants, but the sidequest ends with the player being forced to pick one of two options to help shield the immigrants from the law to avoid deportation. There is no option to turn them in or to try to stem the influx of illegal immigrants.






b. Promotion of globalism and condemnation of nationalism.

This theme started becoming noticeable in the latter Trails of Cold Steel games, but the messaging of the series has now become that nation-states should not remain isolated or be allowed to pursue what is in their best interest, and that instead everyone should open their borders and join this globalist alliance and work together. Nations that do not join this new world order are labeled as suspicious or antagonistic and must be infiltrated to find out why they are holding out or what their ulterior motives are, and their leadership must be overthrown and replaced with globalist syncophants. The two Kuro games frame Calvard's president Gramhardt and his organizations - the Calvardian Intelligence Division, the Marduk Company, and the Verne Corporation - as an antagonists for withdrawing from globalist organizations like the Epstein Foundation, being tight lipped about what they are doing, and making declarations about how Calvard should be a world leader and bow to no one. Several "hero" characters enter Calvard with the express purpose of trying to turn the hearts and minds of Calvard's populace against this idea and to open Calvard up to foreign powers and NGOs.



c. Narrative endorsement of intersex and transgenderism.

One of the party members, Quatre, is revealed to have been the product of experimentation by a cult. His parents who were cult members had him warped/experimented upon while inside the womb. One of the characters claims he is "both male and female". Later on in the game, the protagonist Van stumbles upon Quatre in his room, where he is apparently a V-tuber with a female avatar. Quatre and Van then enter the holodeck, where Quatre arrives as his female avatar, and statements are made affirming Quatre as experimenting being a woman.














d. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

As with Kuro 1, the game positives depicts parents sending their white kid to "Sunday School" at a mosque as a good thing. Lore wise, the mosque is supposed to be a part of the Septian Church, and the only difference between it and the Catholic looking Churches we saw in the series up until Kuro 1 is the aesthetics, but it still treads eerily closed to Universalism, and also continues the idea that the native Calvardians should learn and appreciate foreign cultures rather than their own heritage.

That Blackrock money must be ******* premium for them to torpedo a franchise like this.

[Meaty Clackers]

Now that you've had time to pirate KCD2 and play it, do you think it deserves its current rating?

Every female is a strongheaded girlboss pulled directly out of 2025 SoCal. Faggotry was obviously the foundational relationship between henry and hans as they are constantly flirting with each other nonmatter what choice you pick, "I could never refuse you" not 2 minutes after choosing the supposed "nonfaggot option". Nauseating. I quit after the half hour cuckboy cupbearer humiliation ritual when they then give you no choice but to go to save da joos.
imo
do not buy
do not play

[tehdude27]

That is one possible outcome yes.
Oh and there is a quest later on where you and your allies are besieged and Henry has to sneak outside the castle to get to the camp, get a horse and inform the reinforcements, Samuel accompanies you and tries to do **** on his own. He gets captured by the french dude and tells you to leave him, you can actually and Sam gets hanged in the praguer's camp and since Henry is at the reinforcements, the Prager can't steal the silver you have. If you help Samuel, they manage to steal it.

Saving Sam is the wrong choice for any player regardless of him being Jew. Sam was a dumbass to charge in without you, his stupid choice. Your crew is suffering inside the fortress and has been there for a month. They have no food, everyone's going to die if nothing happens soon. They went through all of this because you and your crew stole that silver. The poor guy who was practically forced to offer his fortress to house everyone and the silver has had his fortress under siege all this time (and it's about to get messed up even worse). Many men have died defending the fortress over that month period. To save Sam and lose that silver would make all of that be in vain, all because you're a selfish prick who cares more about a guy who's biological father that he never met is the guy who raised you (no blood connection) than all of the people inside that fortress. It's an absolutely ridiculous to choice. Also, it's **** game design because you have invisible walls that don't allow the player to get creative. You kill the entire fortress of enemies and can walk out of the place with Sam. The game doesn't give you the option to carry him somewhere nearby to recover away from the battle. Instead, they wall you in the whole way.

[Evikdor39]

TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of globalism and condemnation of nationalism.
• c. Narrative endorsement of intersex and transgenderism.
• d. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Yay, another piece of media ruined by the "localization" stick, I can't wait for the ******* that pull this **** to **** right off a cliff.

[Vergil]

Someone should make a list of toke and non-toke roleplaying games so I know which ones are 420 friendly. I'll start with Gothic 1 in the toke category.

[rusty_shackleford]

TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of globalism and condemnation of nationalism.
• c. Narrative endorsement of intersex and transgenderism.
• d. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Yay, another piece of media ruined by the "localization" stick, I can't wait for the ******* that pull this **** to **** right off a cliff.

Almost certain it's in the original script

[Vergil]

Very funny how " a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
b. Promotion of homosexual relationships
c. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!""
Only equates to "moderate wokeness" when it's in a Jap game but a gay kiss in KCD2 causes pandemonium

[Val the Moofia Boss]

TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of globalism and condemnation of nationalism.
• c. Narrative endorsement of intersex and transgenderism.
• d. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Yay, another piece of media ruined by the "localization" stick, I can't wait for the ******* that pull this **** to **** right off a cliff.

Most of this stuff was present in the first Kuro game, which I played a fan translation of before NISA's localization patch released. The demonization of nationalism is simply now front and center in the main story rather than being relegated to a few lines or side NPCs. The only thing really new this time is the ***** stuff.

[Evikdor39]

TLDR

• a. Glorification of immigration/white replacement
• b. Promotion of globalism and condemnation of nationalism.
• c. Narrative endorsement of intersex and transgenderism.
• d. Possible promotion of universalism "all Abrahamic religions actually worship the same god!"

Yay, another piece of media ruined by the "localization" stick, I can't wait for the ******* that pull this **** to **** right off a cliff.

Most of this stuff was present in the first Kuro game, which I played a fan translation of before NISA's localization patch released. The demonization of nationalism is simply now front and center in the main story rather than being relegated to a few lines or side NPCs. The only thing really new this time is the ***** stuff.

Oops sorry, wokeness and modern dayisms aside, I was referring more to his mention on localization in the main review where they put in zoomer **** like "rizz":

Localization

I tried the English dub for a few minutes before switching back to Japanese voices. The characters did not sound very immersive. Good thing too, because I would not have wanted to hear the lolcowlized lines voiced out loud. There are several trendy lines such as "sounds like a you problem" or "rizz" that will not age as well as Final Fantasy or the older Trails games localized by XSEED. It doesn't feel very professional. There is also a lot of swearing in this and taking God's name in vain, and for lines that are voiced. If you played this game with the English dub, you would not be able to keep your window open. Playing with the Japanese voices, it is obvious that sometimes characters are saying something different or speaking in a different way from what the English lines say.

[mercerxiv]

For BG2EE - I know there's a mod to disable Beamdog-added companions, is there any other woke crap that needs removing?

[rusty_shackleford]

For BG2EE - I know there's a mod to disable Beamdog-added companions, is there any other woke crap that needs removing?

Nothing I can think of off the top of my head. Don't think they added as much to BG2 after the backlash to their oc donut steel stuff in BGEE.

[mercerxiv]

For BG2EE - I know there's a mod to disable Beamdog-added companions, is there any other woke crap that needs removing?

Nothing I can think of off the top of my head. Don't think they added as much to BG2 after the backlash to their oc donut steel stuff in BGEE.

Great, thanks Never hurts to double check.

Noticed Rogue trader is not on the list. Been playing it for a bit and I gotta say it seems to be medium/heavy. There is a very visibly trappy Vox Master Vigdis who goes by she but has a very much male physique in both the portrait and the model, some girlboss energy thrown around here and there, they couldn't not do a bi human character (but at least it's only one of the human crew), there's also a bdsm xenos who also swings both ways (but at least it makes more sense for drukhari), but overall it seems to be tamer than WOTR, probably due to the setting. Also unrelated to wokeness - holy **** what the hell is that RPG system: it's alien, obtuse, and rather limiting from the get go, and the way classes works is full of busywork pressing same 3-4 actions every **** turn because they've thought it'd be a good idea to have lots of 1 turn duration temporary effects like buffs/debuffs which also have their own animations a lot of the time that prevents other actions until finished, so good luck spending a full minute on turns that should've taken 5 seconds.

[rusty_shackleford]

Vox Master Vigdis

It's a woman, my assumption was that because she's voidborn she just looks like a freak. I didn't see anything in the dialogue that hinted she's a male during my playthru.

If anything, the negress armsmaster was much more annoying

but overall it seems to be tamer than WOTR

Definitely so. It becomes difficult to speculate as to how much of WOTR was Paizo and how much was Owlcat after such a decrease in pozzed content.

We have a thread for it if you wanted to discuss it: viewtopic.php?t=285-warhammer-40-000-rogue-trader

[mercerxiv]

Vox Master Vigdis

It's a woman, my assumption was that because she's voidborn she just looks like a freak. I didn't see anything in the dialogue that hinted she's a male during my playthru.

Ah, in that case it's a +1 alphabet romance, your negro psyker apparently has a thing with her going.

If anything, the negress armsmaster was much more annoying

Yeah, there's a bit of that but at least so far I barely interact with the armsmaster (if I'm thinking about the same person). At least in 40k racial diversity doesn't feel as out of place as it does in medieval fantasy. Like yeah, they even have abhumans like ogryn and ratlings, and imperium pretty much swallowed the entire Terra and most human colonies. it doesn't feel as on the nose as when they did 1 asian, 1 negro, 1 white dude for Space Marine 2 party lineup lol, where it appears like someone was going through a checklist.

[1998]

For BG2EE - I know there's a mod to disable Beamdog-added companions, is there any other woke crap that needs removing?

It's not just about woke crap, they have also added new items, spells, classes etc. to the game. If you have never played the original, you should play that instead first. It's free and ethically legal on gog-games.to

[mercerxiv]

For BG2EE - I know there's a mod to disable Beamdog-added companions, is there any other woke crap that needs removing?

It's not just about woke crap, they have also added new items, spells, classes etc. to the game. If you have never played the original, you should play that instead first. It's free and ethically legal on gog-games.to

Hmm, I've played BG1, but BG2 I never finished. I think I trailed off somewhere in the middle of the game. I'm not too opposed to having a slightly updated engine, and I'm not sure about the scope of new items/spells. I did consider just getting a non-EE version, but it seems like that bar crappy OC companions, some bug fixes, and maybe a sword or 2 there's not much difference?

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't think(?) BG2 should have that much of an issue with balance as BG1 or IWD, as most of the issues are backports from BG2 to those or from IWD to BG1.

[1998]

I don't think(?) BG2 should have that much of an issue with balance as BG1 or IWD, as most of the issues are backports from BG2 to those or from IWD to BG1.

Yes, the balance issues are not as dramatic as in BG1, and BG2EE is much closer to the OG experience. But BG2 obviously already uses the upgraded engine. In a way, there are even less reasons to play that EE.

[UltraFan123]

It becomes difficult to speculate as to how much of WOTR was Paizo and how much was Owlcat after such a decrease in pozzed content.

As someone who is aware of the original WotR adventure path, I can tell you that the VAST majority of the pozzled **** was Paizo, which Owlcat obviously had to adapt as accurately as possible.

What Owlcat themselves added were the bisexual freaks Daeran and Wenduag, as well as the character assassination of the Storyteller by making him a buttfucker ******. Which when you count all the pozzled **** in the game as a whole, is surprisingly little.

I was legit surprised that Owlcat let the girlboss Queen Galfrey remain straight, and that the filthy deviant Camelia was also made straight as well. Alongside how femboy Woljiff wasn't made romanceable at all, I realize that Owlcat is relatively tame when compared to the likes of Larian.

[mercerxiv]

It becomes difficult to speculate as to how much of WOTR was Paizo and how much was Owlcat after such a decrease in pozzed content.

As someone who is aware of the original WotR adventure path, I can tell you that the VAST majority of the pozzled **** was Paizo, which Owlcat obviously had to adapt as accurately as possible.

What Owlcat themselves added were the bisexual freaks Daeran and Wenduag, as well as the character assassination of the Storyteller by making him a buttfucker ******. Which when you count all the pozzled **** in the game as a whole, is surprisingly little.

I was legit surprised that Owlcat let the girlboss Queen Galfrey remain straight, and that the filthy deviant Camelia was also made straight as well. Alongside how femboy Woljiff wasn't made romanceable at all, I realize that Owlcat is relatively tame when compared to the likes of Larian.

Huh, interesting to know. Never played a game of TT pf in my life, and doubt I will at this point. But yeah, I would imagine it's not as simple as "Paizo pozzied, Owlcat not". Didn't know that Storyteller was different in TT, that's a pleasant surprise. Tbh at least for Daeran it seems in-character (he is a sodomite and libertine), Wenduag seems to be power-sexual (and also rather gross), Cam is definitely a serial killer waifu material (and I am surprised she was made straight, although maybe the idea was that only crazy serial killers would be straight and not swing both ways), Woljif came across as a juvenile (so pls no filthy romance). So the Anevia bit is Paizo, what else was them out of the more egregious stuff?

[ThulsaDoomer]

It becomes difficult to speculate as to how much of WOTR was Paizo and how much was Owlcat after such a decrease in pozzed content.

As someone who is aware of the original WotR adventure path, I can tell you that the VAST majority of the pozzled **** was Paizo, which Owlcat obviously had to adapt as accurately as possible.

What Owlcat themselves added were the bisexual freaks Daeran and Wenduag, as well as the character assassination of the Storyteller by making him a buttfucker ******. Which when you count all the pozzled **** in the game as a whole, is surprisingly little.

I was legit surprised that Owlcat let the girlboss Queen Galfrey remain straight, and that the filthy deviant Camelia was also made straight as well. Alongside how femboy Woljiff wasn't made romanceable at all, I realize that Owlcat is relatively tame when compared to the likes of Larian.

I didn't realise this until I played Rogue Trader but a hotfix broke the game and I haven't been able to boot it up since. So, my recent hatred of Owlcat has nothing to do with the content of the game, just the fact I can't ******* get past the game menu load screen. It's a rare day I get bricked by a game.

What I get to play was surprising, as I was expecting LGBTQ+ in space. What I got was pretty mild, and you can purge the negress psyker at many oppourtunities. (The vox master and negress are alluded to be lovers, all the more reason to vaporise her) The systems are pretty meh, easy as hell to abuse once you get momentum. All in all, I realised Owlcat as you noted are not that emboldened to insert pozzed content unless their masters tell them too. They threw in the usual stuff, but nothing as insufferable as the last two games they put out. Shame, as I would have liked to wrap up my playthrough, but Owlcat forgot how to hire competent programmers.

[UltraFan123]

what else was them out of the more egregious stuff?

To be specific, many of the companions and important NPCs were Owlcat creations that didn't existed in the original WotR pen-and-paper adventure that was released back in 2012.

Original Paizo companions include Sosiel the soy ****** ****** and Arueshalae which of course she's all-sexual because succubus, then Anevia was also originally a full-game companion instead of just sticking around during the prologue, as well as Aribeth who was replaced in the Owlcat version by Seelah, Seelah herself being an "iconic" Pathfinder character just like Amiri from Kingmaker.

Some NPCs that were minor one-time-shown-then-forgot in the Owlcat version were also originally full-game companions in the Paizo original, like remember that guy who Camelia killed before we first picked her up in the prologue, Aravashnial? That was originally a full-game companion.

And that young guy who Sosiel alluded was his ****** buddy during a cutscene event, Aron Kir? He was a full-game companion who ended up getting married with the soy ****** in the Paizo original.

But the funniest part to me is that Horgus, you know that wealthy elitist fat ****, was also part of the party in the original, and a ******* rogue of all things!

This is basically how the party looked like at the end of the Paizo adventure when the player was near level 20.

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As can be seen, only the ****** and the succubus remained as companions in the CRPG adaptation by Owlcat.

So yeah, the other companions not shown there are 100% original characters created - or in the case of Lann and Wenduag, modified(1) - by Owlcat to replace what I believe would've been quite the **** Paizo party. Like imagine camp banter about the orc girlboss wanting to **** the transfag? Or about how much the soy ****** wants to sodomize a barely-18-years-old? Or an old rich boomer complaining about having to do rogue stuff while having artritis?

With all this context in mind, I think the changes Owlcat made to the adventure were overall for the best, since even if their companions aren't perfect, I think they're definitely better than what Paizo originally had.

1) - By modified I mean that Lann and Wenduag were mongrel that appeared only once in the prologue of the original Paizo adventure but were never shown ever again; Lann was a friendly NPC that helped the players reach the mongrel chief while Wenduag was a level 1 ranger grunt who served Hosilia but was killed like a rando.

[mercerxiv]

Interesting stuff. So they did, in a way I suppose, reduce how in-your-face the *** **** was, by at least cutting out 3/5 trashy companions and shifting them into background/out of the game. That said I imagine Horgus would have a quiet different characterization - in his portrait he looks a number of years younger than in the game and I would imagine not obese. In the game I guess he was remade to be Camellias meek and compliant sugar daddy. The riftwarden sounds like would make a better party member (or at least more interesting than a bunch of mongrels). Didn't win much trading Irabeth for Seelah imo, they are both just bad. The rest yeah... At least some of the OC party seem alright - Regil definitely sounds better than anyone on that list, Nenio is a poor excuse of a scientist with some sort of tism but still a mile better than the skittles brigade, mongrels I just don't like either of them but at least Wenduag is a fighter that is mechanically useful, while Lann is a whiny manchild with a rather useless class. Daeran is a degenerate but at least he is portrayed as such, Camellia is a serial killer so tbh that's an improvement. You can have evil party members, just make them really evil and not some "oh, I'm just evil cause I'm against taxes" weaksauce bs. Well, I guess a few points towards Owlcat here. I wonder if forced random npc diversity was also Paizo's idea.

[Tangerine]

Nenio is a poor excuse of a scientist with some sort of tism but still a mile better than the skittles brigade

Nenio is Reddit incarnate. Yes, the others are ****, but she induced anger in me every time she spoke.

[mercerxiv]

Nenio is a poor excuse of a scientist with some sort of tism but still a mile better than the skittles brigade

Nenio is Reddit incarnate. Yes, the others are ****, but she induced anger in me every time she spoke.

Yeah, I can see that.