No Alphabets 7.1 — Baldur's Gate 3

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Then why are you complaining about other people designing mods for levels of strength that suits them?

I don't complain, I just show my disgust, welcome to the internet.

We already established it's neither lorebreaking nor foreign to the genre.

For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Let's see some peak male physique in the olden days without roids.
Farnese Hercules

I'm kinda lost. What is your point?

This bit doesn't look overexagerrated in roided up people.

Sorry, @orinEsque, still don't get it. I don't think Hercules fits what I try to describe here.

[Godjjjita]

I'm kinda lost. What is your point?

This bit doesn't look overexagerrated in roided up people.

Sorry, @orinEsque, still don't get it. I don't think Hercules fits what I try to describe here.

Traditional strong man had both muscle and fat, even in a statue of a demigod (the apex of perfection and beauty from a culture point of view) they portrayed Hercules as somewhat "chubby" .

[Hyborian]

Then why are you complaining about other people designing mods for levels of strength that suits them?

I don't complain, I just show my disgust, welcome to the internet.

We already established it's neither lorebreaking nor foreign to the genre.

For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

******, there's no difference. You can look at art for 80s-90s fantasy video games, graphic novels and ttrpg books. Warriors always looked mighty, heroic and jacked. Making them look "normal", average and relatable is a modern concept pushed by subversive ******* like you.

[orinEsque]

How about you all learn some blender and start sculpting your prime male specimen, ey?

[UltraFan123]

Let's see some peak male physique in the olden days without roids.
Farnese Hercules

I'm kinda lost. What is your point?

This bit doesn't look overexagerrated in roided up people.

I once watched a video made by a natural body builder explaining that what the ancient Greeks and Romans visualized in their marble statues was the physique of a "perfect athletic warrior" who was either as a professional soldier in a standing army or a levy that also worked in the fields in his farm or some other physically demanding job most of the year.

Basically, these men who were physically active their entire lives developed most of their body muscles except for their pectorals, since it appears that you never needed large beffed-up pecs for pretty much nothing. lol

[orinEsque]

>talking about conan the barbarian
>mentions arnold
Oh **** off, respectfully. His portrayal of Conan is a ******* insult. And yes, I want my characters to look like Conan, why would I want him to look like Henry Cavill?

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Just look at these depictions of Conan, why would I not want my character to look like this, especially if I play a barbarian. A man doesn't to look handsome unless he has a normal build (like Ryan Gosling)

wrong. Jason Momoa is very attractive. He's quite well built.
Edit: man in your picture is attractive too............
But wtf is this abomination!?

A warrior from hyborian age. Men used to be built different back then.

"The Hyborian Age is a fictional period of Earth's history within the artificial mythology created by Robert E. Howard, serving as the setting for the sword and sorcery tales of Conan the Barbarian.

The word "Hyborian" is derived from the legendary northern land of the ancient Greeks, Hyperborea, and it is rendered as such in the earliest draft of Howard's essay "The Hyborian Age".[1] Howard described the Hyborian Age taking place sometime after the sinking of Atlantis and before the beginning of recorded ancient history.[2] Most later editors and adaptors such as L. Sprague de Camp and Roy Thomas placed the Hyborian Age around 10,000 BC.[3]"

How does this relate to Faerun of 1492 DR, which is equivalent to Medieval / early renaissance relative to real world?

[UltraFan123]

Making them look "normal", average and relatable is a modern concept pushed by subversive ******* like you.

I would also argue that a large influence for the modern idea of making heroes "scrawny and relatable" may also come from the popularization of the anime main character here in the West, whether is a Shonen or an isekai or whatever, the main character more often than not looks like an anorexic teenager. lmfao

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Then why are you complaining about other people designing mods for levels of strength that suits them?

I don't complain, I just show my disgust, welcome to the internet.

We already established it's neither lorebreaking nor foreign to the genre.

For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

******, there's no difference. You can look at art for 80s-90s fantasy video games, graphic novels and ttrpg books. Warriors always looked mighty, heroic and jacked. Making them look "normal", average and relatable is a modern concept pushed by subversive ******* like you.

Thanks for pictures that illustrate what I need. But I don't understand how are you don't see difference between what you previously posted and this.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Then why are you complaining about other people designing mods for levels of strength that suits them?

I don't complain, I just show my disgust, welcome to the internet.

We already established it's neither lorebreaking nor foreign to the genre.

For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

******, there's no difference.

****, I see your experience on fantasy genre measured in numbers lower than 0. Thank for warning, taking anything you say seriously is like believing in astrology.

[Hyborian]

wrong. Jason Momoa is very attractive. He's quite well built.
Edit: man in your picture is attractive too............
But wtf is this abomination!?

A warrior from hyborian age. Men used to be built different back then.

"The Hyborian Age is a fictional period of Earth's history within the artificial mythology created by Robert E. Howard, serving as the setting for the sword and sorcery tales of Conan the Barbarian.

The word "Hyborian" is derived from the legendary northern land of the ancient Greeks, Hyperborea, and it is rendered as such in the earliest draft of Howard's essay "The Hyborian Age".[1] Howard described the Hyborian Age taking place sometime after the sinking of Atlantis and before the beginning of recorded ancient history.[2] Most later editors and adaptors such as L. Sprague de Camp and Roy Thomas placed the Hyborian Age around 10,000 BC.[3]"

How does this relate to Faerun of 1492 DR, which is equivalent to Medieval / early renaissance relative to real world?

I don't know. You were the one who brought up faces when the discussion was about physique. That, medieval period wasn't exactly a time of flabby, weak soyboys, even if they weren't quite as robust as their bronze age ancestors.

[Hyborian]

I don't complain, I just show my disgust, welcome to the internet.



For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

******, there's no difference.

****, I see your experience on fantasy genre measured in numbers lower than 0. Thank for warning, taking anything you say seriously is like believing in astrology.

Swords & sorcery best describes what this game is all about, for those are the two key fantasy ingredients. ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS is a fantasy game of role playing which relies upon the imagination of participants, for it is certainly make-believe, yet it is so interesting, so challenging, so mind-unleashing that it comes near reality.

- Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook page 7, 1978.

[rusty_shackleford]

this is what conan looked like when REH was alive btw

[orinEsque]

A warrior from hyborian age. Men used to be built different back then.

"The Hyborian Age is a fictional period of Earth's history within the artificial mythology created by Robert E. Howard, serving as the setting for the sword and sorcery tales of Conan the Barbarian.

The word "Hyborian" is derived from the legendary northern land of the ancient Greeks, Hyperborea, and it is rendered as such in the earliest draft of Howard's essay "The Hyborian Age".[1] Howard described the Hyborian Age taking place sometime after the sinking of Atlantis and before the beginning of recorded ancient history.[2] Most later editors and adaptors such as L. Sprague de Camp and Roy Thomas placed the Hyborian Age around 10,000 BC.[3]"

How does this relate to Faerun of 1492 DR, which is equivalent to Medieval / early renaissance relative to real world?

I don't know. You were the one who brought up faces when the discussion was about physique. That, medieval period wasn't exactly a time of flabby, weak soyboys, even if they weren't quite as robust as their bronze age ancestors.

"flabby, weak soyboys" - you conflate handsomeness with soyboys. Yet i've repeatly pointed out handsome males that aren't soyboys. I'm smelling handsome-male envy. And a severe desire to overcompensate with pectoral muscles that can only be obtained through steroid abuse and a consequent small penis and infertility.

[Hyborian]

I have no idea what the hell you're rambling about. Who said anything about disliking handsome men? My point was that superhuman warriors shouldn't look like Ryan Gosling and Robert Pattison. I'm all for more Henry Caville looking males in rpgs.

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So long as their hands get boosted in size.

[SoLong]

For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

From the "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook" (written 1978 by Gary Gagax):

Swords & sorcery best describes what this game is all about, for those are the two key fantasy ingredients. ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS is a fantasy game of role playing which relies upon the imagination of participants, for it is certainly make-believe, yet it is so interesting, so challenging, so mind-unleashing that it comes near reality.

From "What is Dungeons and Dragons?" by John Butterfield, Philip Parker, David Honigmann:

In Basic D&D all adventures take place in dungeons, although if the group progresses to Expert or Advanced D&D, which are more complex and detailed forms of the game, they can also occur in towns, in wilderness areas (on the way to the dungeon?), at-sea, in fact anywhere in the world — or in any other world. Fritz Leiber described the fantasy genre as 'sword and sorcery' — a description which few sessions of D&D fail to live up to.

Do you have any other incredibly moronic doubts I can help to dispel? Maybe you doubt that Gary Gygax invented DnD and want some proof or something? Or perhaps you doubt that the creator of a game can accurately judge that game's genre?

Edit: I just noticed someone else already posted the first quote. My point still stands.

[orinEsque]

A warrior from hyborian age. Men used to be built different back then.

"The Hyborian Age is a fictional period of Earth's history within the artificial mythology created by Robert E. Howard, serving as the setting for the sword and sorcery tales of Conan the Barbarian.

The word "Hyborian" is derived from the legendary northern land of the ancient Greeks, Hyperborea, and it is rendered as such in the earliest draft of Howard's essay "The Hyborian Age".[1] Howard described the Hyborian Age taking place sometime after the sinking of Atlantis and before the beginning of recorded ancient history.[2] Most later editors and adaptors such as L. Sprague de Camp and Roy Thomas placed the Hyborian Age around 10,000 BC.[3]"

How does this relate to Faerun of 1492 DR, which is equivalent to Medieval / early renaissance relative to real world?

I don't know. You were the one who brought up faces when the discussion was about physique. That, medieval period wasn't exactly a time of flabby, weak soyboys, even if they weren't quite as robust as their bronze age ancestors.

Instead of relying on AI reindition of a few skeletons look up renaissance sculptures. That should give you an idea of what handsome men and also ideal men of that era looked like.

Also I'm gonna ignore ryan gosling and twilight twinks cuz those actors i don't care about. This man however... is niceeeee:

[Faceless_Sentinel]

******, there's no difference.

****, I see your experience on fantasy genre measured in numbers lower than 0. Thank for warning, taking anything you say seriously is like believing in astrology.

Swords & sorcery best describes what this game is all about, for those are the two key fantasy ingredients. ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS is a fantasy game of role playing which relies upon the imagination of participants, for it is certainly make-believe, yet it is so interesting, so challenging, so mind-unleashing that it comes near reality.

- Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook page 7, 1978.

For sword and sorcery type of fantasy? Yes. Is D&D and BG3 sword and sorcery type of fantasy? I have big doubts.

From the "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook" (written 1978 by Gary Gagax):

Swords & sorcery best describes what this game is all about, for those are the two key fantasy ingredients. ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS is a fantasy game of role playing which relies upon the imagination of participants, for it is certainly make-believe, yet it is so interesting, so challenging, so mind-unleashing that it comes near reality.

From "What is Dungeons and Dragons?" by John Butterfield, Philip Parker, David Honigmann:

In Basic D&D all adventures take place in dungeons, although if the group progresses to Expert or Advanced D&D, which are more complex and detailed forms of the game, they can also occur in towns, in wilderness areas (on the way to the dungeon?), at-sea, in fact anywhere in the world — or in any other world. Fritz Leiber described the fantasy genre as 'sword and sorcery' — a description which few sessions of D&D fail to live up to.

Do you have any other incredibly moronic doubts I can help to dispel? Maybe you doubt that Gary Gygax invented DnD and want some proof or something? Or perhaps you doubt that the creator of a game can accurately judge that game's genre?

Edit: I just noticed someone else already posted the first quote. My point still stands.

Nice, what all this have to do with 5e edition, on witch BG3 based?

If you gonna say that modern day D&D, written by ****** in WoC is sword and sorcery type of fantasy, then don't waste your time, go suck your communist ****** master ****, it would be more productive.

[SoLong]

Nice, what all this have to do with 5e edition, on witch BG3 based?

You had doubts whether DnD is Sword and Sorcercy, I gave you a quote from Gygax himself saying it is.

So unless you have a higher authority on the issue stating they had a gravity defying genre shift I suggest you eat your L and suck a fat **** while you're at it. You seem to enjoy getting ****** in comment sections anyway.

[Faceless_Sentinel]

Nice, what all this have to do with 5e edition, on witch BG3 based?

You had doubts whether DnD is Sword and Sorcercy, I gave you a quote from Gygax himself saying it is.

So unless you have a higher authority on the issue stating they had a gravity defying genre shift I suggest you eat your L and suck a fat **** while you're at it. You seem to enjoy getting ****** in comment sections anyway.

https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/the-cos ... heelchair/

Yes, wheelchairs and prosthetic limbs are d&d canon now.

LOOK AT THIS GREAT PIECE OF ART!




Same spirit of sword and sorcery and Conan, according to you.

[Jordy]

https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/the-cos ... heelchair/

Yes, wheelchairs and prosthetic limbs are d&d canon now.

LOOK AT THIS GREAT PIECE OF ART!

Should have done it like this.

[jebacdrkac]

https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/the-cos ... heelchair/

Yes, wheelchairs and prosthetic limbs are d&d canon now.

LOOK AT THIS GREAT PIECE OF ART!

Should have done it like this.

god why did you have to remind me of vikings, probably the only show which had bigger downfall than agot

[Magick]

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

Yup, for my "Chosen one" megabarbarian / fury warrior style dude, sure I want something like this.


For my "unfortunate farmhand starting his quest" or wizard or whatever in some shithole D&D village, perfectly happy with my "average" dude, even if that's a warrior type.
Depends on the game / setting / character.

[ArcaneLurker]

I think Faceless may be referring to the fact that not every fantasy protagonist necessarily has to look like a Golden Age Mister Universe, but I do sustain that a "barbarian" hero looking like that does make sense.

Yup, for my "Chosen one" megabarbarian / fury warrior style dude, sure I want something like this.


For my "unfortunate farmhand starting his quest" or wizard or whatever in some shithole D&D village, perfectly happy with my "average" dude, even if that's a warrior type.
Depends on the game / setting / character.

Pic on the right is very much like the strong body in BG3.

this is what conan looked like when REH was alive btw

Norwood hero

[Rand]

EDIT: Also, Dark Sun is an IP owned by ******* of the Coast so I reckon it was going to eventually be tainted if it wasn't already.

That picture is from the original Dark Sun stuff published by decidedly non-woke TSR in the 90s.

[SoLong]

Nice, what all this have to do with 5e edition, on witch BG3 based?

You had doubts whether DnD is Sword and Sorcercy, I gave you a quote from Gygax himself saying it is.

So unless you have a higher authority on the issue stating they had a gravity defying genre shift I suggest you eat your L and suck a fat **** while you're at it. You seem to enjoy getting ****** in comment sections anyway.

https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/the-cos ... heelchair/

Yes, wheelchairs and prosthetic limbs are d&d canon now.

LOOK AT THIS GREAT PIECE OF ART!




Same spirit of sword and sorcery and Conan, according to you.

Pfft. No. WotC ruining an entire genre with their ******** doesn't mean that you get to pretend the genre is no longer connected to the game.

Is it possible you wrote yourself into a corner there? That you didn't know Gygax was a Sword & Sorcercy writer and now you're defying your Ls by trying to separate the genre from the game, all to protect your ego?

It could be solved so easily. You can just admit that you didn't know **** when you wrote that sentence and were too lazy to do a google search before you wrote it.

[rusty_shackleford]

I'm going to guess that if Gygax intended the art of D&D to look like some weird homoeroticism, he would have just hired Frazetta rather than the artists he did hire.
Hope that helps.

And no, price wasn't a factor, TSR was incredibly wealthy in the early 80s and spending money on the most frivolous **** imaginable.

iirc he actually did a couple D&D pieces, I can't remember which.

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[Faceless_Sentinel]

You had doubts whether DnD is Sword and Sorcercy, I gave you a quote from Gygax himself saying it is.

So unless you have a higher authority on the issue stating they had a gravity defying genre shift I suggest you eat your L and suck a fat **** while you're at it. You seem to enjoy getting ****** in comment sections anyway.

https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/the-cos ... heelchair/

Yes, wheelchairs and prosthetic limbs are d&d canon now.

LOOK AT THIS GREAT PIECE OF ART!




Same spirit of sword and sorcery and Conan, according to you.

Pfft. No. WotC ruining an entire genre with their ******** doesn't mean that you get to pretend the genre is no longer connected to the game.

So, you telling us that wheelchairs, prosthetic limbs and gender idiology is part of sword and sorcery fantasy genre now because it is in D&D 5?

For the record, by your defenition THIS is part of sword and sorcery fantasy genre: https://web.archive.org/web/20230602100 ... ms_And_Sex

Is it possible you wrote yourself into a corner there? That you didn't know Gygax was a Sword & Sorcercy writer and now you're defying your Ls by trying to separate the genre from the game, all to protect your ego?

It could be solved so easily. You can just admit that you didn't know **** when you wrote that sentence and were too lazy to do a google search before you wrote it.

Is it possible for you to get your head out your *** and see that Ed Greenwood rewrite D&D, not just game rules but also Forgotten Realm lore, in some commiefornia modern day gay **** that it is not a sword and sorcery fantasy written by Gygax anymore?

[Hyborian]

I'm going to guess that if Gygax intended the art of D&D to look like some weird homoeroticism, he would have just hired Frazetta rather than the artists he did hire.
Hope that helps.

And no, price wasn't a factor, TSR was incredibly wealthy in the early 80s and spending money on the most frivolous **** imaginable.

iirc he actually did a couple D&D pieces, I can't remember which.

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Weird strawman. Who are you talking to?

[rusty_shackleford]

Who are you talking to?

Myself. Welcome to my blog.