Are video game devs inherently dirty commies, or did blackrock make them that way?

[Stack of Turtles]

Back to pretending ESG wasn't a thing, despite admitting it a few posts ago.

Cool.

Not interested in the "going in circles" bit. I'll pass.

The issue here is that you can't see how the argument has been completely consistent this whole time, because you subconciously believe in some kind of magic Jewish mind-control caused by Blackrock money.

Nope, I'm not one of da jooooz crowd, so this strawman wont work on me. Better luck next time!

you already sailed that ship:

That was my entire argument. Only YOU were talking past it, you shifty little ****.

I will treat you as Gregz for the rest of time.

[Bertram_Tung]

My argument, and I think Rusty is basically saying the same thing, is that ESG money does not change anyone's beliefs.

Still ignoring the DEI that put those people in there, incentivized by ESG (and other forces in conjunction with ESG)

[Magick]

If someone offered you $1 billion to make a game about how awesome european history is while being 100% accurate, are you being coerced?

And if you're making that game, need institutional investment to continue, then suddenly all avenues for that are closed off until you add in a homo relationship for your main char, then what?
You can say no **** that, but then your shareholders want their money, your staff gotta eat, and some other CEO who is willing to bend just gets swapped in anyway, then what?

I've seen so many studios start off based indies, then get "corrupted" (financially forced, drowned via bad hiring, or drunk on social media) into going woke.

Regardless, my point about Transistor was that indeed it's a perfect example of a DEV shoving such stuff in (even sneakily), and that it's not (just) being forced/institutional investment.
The point of that sentence was to (mostly) AGREE with your argument.
But of course the Rusty autism OCD cranks in with the "AKSHUAAAALLLYYY" That, or


I'm curious actually (as going by Steam Achievements it was mid 2014 when I first completed it, so I can't really remember), how woke was SuperGiant games back then?
It can't be THAT bad considering those 3(2) instances above (unless someone cites more), where one is fully ambiguous and the other seems to be retcon or hidden meaning made public only by a single dev.

I would accept this argument more if I had any evidence of even a single dev reaching the point of having to ask for institutional investment without already being libtarded. Probably if any weren't libtarded they would just make a GiveSendGo.

Because GiveSendGo can support all instances of a major project or growing studio...

[Bertram_Tung]

The issue here is that you can't see how the argument has been completely consistent this whole time, because you subconciously believe in some kind of magic Jewish mind-control caused by Blackrock money.

Nope, I'm not one of da jooooz crowd, so this strawman wont work on me. Better luck next time!

you already sailed that ship:

That was my entire argument. Only YOU were talking past it, you shifty little ****.

I will treat you as Gregz for the rest of time.

Lol i called you a bad word, oh no! That must mean I believe everything all the rest of the heckin meanies believe!

Dont shift your arguments around and play both sides, and you wont get called a ****.

[Stack of Turtles]

Debt is a thing, ******. I don't believe in mortgages, but I'm forced to have one or not own a house.
Once you're on the hook for it, deals can change.

For others? (Like the ****** dev who did that with Transistor), it will have indeed been a happy bonus.

You're not forced (well IDK maybe you are in the UK these days...). If mortgages started coming with DEI requirements that you had to let a minimum number of blacks or gays, I would call people libtards for taking them. There's always an alternative, even if it's fleeing the country.

[rusty_shackleford]

Still ignoring the DEI that put those people in there, incentivized by ESG (and other forces in conjunction with ESG)

the government?

[Stack of Turtles]

Because GiveSendGo can support all instances of a major project or growing studio...

Every major project or growing studio has already crossed a libtard threshold! Nobody gets big enough to need institutional investment without already being libtarded, unfortunately.

[Bertram_Tung]

You can understand that **** sometimes act like stereotypical **** and not believe israel mind controls donald drumpf btw. **** can't "oy vey" themselves out of that one.

[Stack of Turtles]

You can understand that **** sometimes act like stereotypical **** and not believe israel mind controls donald drumpf btw. **** can't "oy vey" themselves out of that one.

was "I will treat you as Gregz for the rest of time" really not over-the-top enough for you to tell it was a joke?

[Oyster Sauce]

If someone offered you $1 billion to make a game about how awesome european history is while being 100% accurate, are you being coerced?

And if you're making that game, need institutional investment to continue, then suddenly all avenues for that are closed off until you add in a homo relationship for your main char, then what?
You can say no **** that, but then your shareholders want their money, your staff gotta eat, and some other CEO who is willing to bend just gets swapped in anyway, then what?

E*ros will grow up consuming thousands of stories about how money is the root of all evil and then construct scenarios, no, fantasies where they immediately sell out under zero pressure

[Stack of Turtles]

My argument, and I think Rusty is basically saying the same thing, is that ESG money does not change anyone's beliefs.

Still ignoring the DEI that put those people in there, incentivized by ESG (and other forces in conjunction with ESG)

Did BlackRock force your HR department to fire you for sexual harrassment because of ESG, Humbaba?

[Bertram_Tung]

You can understand that **** sometimes act like stereotypical **** and not believe israel mind controls donald drumpf btw. **** can't "oy vey" themselves out of that one.

was "I will treat you as Gregz for the rest of time" really not over-the-top enough for you to tell it was a joke?

I never really interacted with Gregz so I don't really understand the implication. I gathered he was hardcore into DA JOOZ and I think he left the site when Trump won or something? Or rusty banned him. Don't rly know don't rly care.

[Magick]

Debt is a thing, ******. I don't believe in mortgages, but I'm forced to have one or not own a house.
Once you're on the hook for it, deals can change.

For others? (Like the ****** dev who did that with Transistor), it will have indeed been a happy bonus.

You're not forced (well IDK maybe you are in the UK these days...). If mortgages started coming with DEI requirements that you had to let a minimum number of blacks or gays, I would call people libtards for taking them. There's always an alternative, even if it's fleeing the country.

House prices are ******** everywhere and not everyone has wealthy parents. Sadly even Trump recently said he didn't want to look at it else he'd upset boomers.
Regardless, having a roof over one's head and food on the table is indeed a necessity that can go beyond simple principles. I wouldn't be surprised if such does become a condition in future.

There will be a large amount just keeping their heads down to get by, as is with general employment. In many/most instances where institutional investment is involved, that comes with "conditions". Otherwise, some happy ******* will just try to slip things in anyway.


Back on topic in Transistor's case, I don't remember anything else standing out, so it can't have been a main priority for the game. Despite having a female MC, the char was in a healthy hetrosexual relationship and the male portrayed as loving and protective.
I recall SuperGiant doing well with Bastion, then REALLY well with Transistor. Pyre was a bit hit and miss. I presume they started off pretty small? Did they become institutionalised later? What about Hades? (Seen a little but not played).

To shed further light on these theories, it would be interesting to track similar devs as they grow from individuals to indie, then larger companies with shareholders, mass hiring and institutionalised investment. I suspect there will be a common theme where the rot truly sets in.
Clearly with SuperGiant, SOME was present back in 2014, but very little (or at least little willing to be exposed).

[Oyster Sauce]

Was Atalanta woke?

[Bertram_Tung]

If someone offered you $1 billion to make a game about how awesome european history is while being 100% accurate, are you being coerced?

And if you're making that game, need institutional investment to continue, then suddenly all avenues for that are closed off until you add in a homo relationship for your main char, then what?
You can say no **** that, but then your shareholders want their money, your staff gotta eat, and some other CEO who is willing to bend just gets swapped in anyway, then what?

E*ros will grow up consuming thousands of stories about how money is the root of all evil and then construct scenarios, no, fantasies where they immediately sell out under zero pressure

Implying ESG and DEI and other corporate coercion was a fantasy. Still pushing rusty's lies like a good little ballwasher.

[Stack of Turtles]

There will be a large amount just keeping their heads down to get by, as is with general employment.

I think the key disagreement here is that I (and Rusty probably) consider that to qualify as libtarded, while you seem to me to require active positive choice to count as libtarded.

Back on topic in Transistor's case, I don't remember anything else standing out, so it can't have been a main priority for the game. Despite having a female MC, the char was in a healthy hetrosexual relationship and the male portrayed as loving and protective.

I looked it up on the wiki and he does look a bit brown, but that's the only thing and it's highly unclear.

I recall SuperGiant doing well with Bastion, then REALLY well with Transistor. Pyre was a bit hit and miss. I presume they started off pretty small? Did they become institutionalised later? What about Hades? (Seen a little but not played).

Those are all the same studio????? I'm serious, I genuinely didn't know that. I played Bastion a little years ago but it was a bit boring for me. If you mean the ultragay Hades all the tumblr girls were obsessed with, well, I think you have the answer on that one.

[Bertram_Tung]

There will be a large amount just keeping their heads down to get by, as is with general employment.

I think the key disagreement here is that I (and Rusty probably) consider that to qualify as libtarded, while you seem to me to require active positive choice to count as libtarded.

Keeping your head down and prioritizing putting food on your family's plate over loudly protesting what kind of pronouns are used in a video game to the point of getting fired is the opposite of libtard-coded, actually.

[WhiteShark]

If it's impossible, or at least much harder, to get funding if you don't make your game woke, then the investors are, in fact, forcing behaviors. The principled will be driven out of the industry for lack of funding and the woke will remain and will churn out woke games. It doesn't matter that they can't literally assume direct control of any given individual; they can still make sure the woke devs keep getting work and the non-woke devs don't.

[Bertram_Tung]

If it's impossible, or at least much harder, to get funding if you don't make your game woke, then the investors are, in fact, forcing behaviors. The principled will be driven out of the industry for lack of funding and the woke will remain and will churn out woke games. It doesn't matter that they can't literally assume direct control of any given individual; they can still make sure the woke devs keep getting work on the non-woke devs don't.

Pretty simple concept yet rusty still pretends not to understand.

[Magick]

Those are all the same studio????? I'm serious, I genuinely didn't know that. I played Bastion a little years ago but it was a bit boring for me. If you mean the ultragay Hades all the tumblr girls were obsessed with, well, I think you have the answer on that one.

Indeed. The narrative style should have given it away haha.

SuperGiant Games:
Bastion > Transistor > Pyre > Hades > Hades2.

I've played Bastion & Transistor and watched a playthrough of Pyre, and a small bit of Hades1.
So it seems:

• Hades2 - Gigawoke. “Contains overtly pro-LGBTQ+ and overtly pro-DEI messaging. Several Greek gods have been race-swapped including Hestia, who has vitiligo. Multiple npcs appear androgynous contradicting Greek myth/art.”
• Hades1 - “Contains overtly pro-LGBTQ+ messaging. Homosexual relationship between minor characters. Optional homosexual romance. The npc Chaos is non-binary. The npc Dusa says she is asexual.”
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• Pyre - ???
• Transistor - The 3/2 examples I mentioned. 1 character with gender "X" in-game codex page (reaching), 1 instance of two males sharing a name and a narrative line about "lighting a fire" in the other. Clarified by Writer dev Greg Kassavin (in out-of-game info) to be a homosexual relationship. Otherwise completely missable. The characters are dead by the time you reach them. Only codex pages and a single narrator line give any background.
• Bastion - ??? (I don't recall any woke).

So by the time of Transistor there was at least 1 SJW dev, but they still kept it under wraps and it's possible the woke instance may have even been excluded had it not been ambiguous / buried.
By Hades1 they'd gone full SJW/LGBTQ. I wonder whether this was due to Pyre fans, or they'd breached that "line" where they were either forced, or it was acceptable (and encouraged) to "come out"?

The thing is, if Rusty's theory of the Devs being all full-on fuckwads was true, you'd have seen it all the way through?
It would be interesting to look at other similar case studies.

[rusty_shackleford]

2014 game having people with "X gender" is giga-woke

[Stack of Turtles]

The thing is, if Rusty's theory of the Devs being all full-on fuckwads was true, you'd have seen it all the way through?
It would be interesting to look at other similar case studies.

I'd need more evidence to distinguish between the cases where new, woker devs were hired, or the woke devs already there just felt they could get away with more and/or had their NPC programming updated.

[Magick]

2014 game having people with "X gender" is giga-woke

On it's own? Likely nothing (even the Wikitrannies admit it's reaching, lol. The seethe in that statement I quoted was amusing).
Taken with the other gay marriage element? (Clarified by the writer), possibly/probably.

There's no pronoun usage or background (as the wikitrannies admit) to suggest the character is anything but a hetero female, though.
I'll have to replay and reread the game's codex at some point to see if there's any other instances of x being used, since the game's theme / story is heavy on data corruption.

The thing is, if Rusty's theory of the Devs being all full-on fuckwads was true, you'd have seen it all the way through?
It would be interesting to look at other similar case studies.

I'd need more evidence to distinguish between the cases where new, woker devs were hired, or the woke devs already there just felt they could get away with more and/or had their NPC programming updated.

Indeed, this is why I'd be curious to look at more instances. These smaller studios with fewer games are easier to track as they grow. I wonder if there's a common theme of it setting in based on year, and/or company size. And also Dev Early Life, lol.

[Stack of Turtles]

2014 game having people with "X gender" is giga-woke

On it's own? Likely nothing (even the Wikitrannies admit it's reaching, lol. The seethe in that statement I quoted was amusing).
Taken with the other gay marriage element? (Clarified by the writer), possibly/probably.

There's no pronoun usage or background (as the wikitrannies admit) to suggest the character is anything but a hetero female, though.
I'll have to replay and reread the game's codex at some point to see if there's any other instances of x being used, since the game's theme / story is heavy on data corruption.

The thing is, if Rusty's theory of the Devs being all full-on fuckwads was true, you'd have seen it all the way through?
It would be interesting to look at other similar case studies.

I'd need more evidence to distinguish between the cases where new, woker devs were hired, or the woke devs already there just felt they could get away with more and/or had their NPC programming updated.

Indeed, this is why I'd be curious to look at more instances. These smaller studios with fewer games are easier to track as they grow.

Agreeing with the second half. In the first half case I'd say it's almost certainly a subtle ****** dog whistle and absolutely not about data corruption.

[rusty_shackleford]

I happened to be watching a video on another monitor about Star Control 2, and the main character was supposed to be androgynous.
Accolade, the publisher, made the main character male and set him up with the sexy alien woman

This was 1992

[Bertram_Tung]

I happened to be watching a video on another monitor about Star Control 2, and the main character was supposed to be androgynous.
Accolade, the publisher, made the main character male and set him up with the sexy alien woman

This was 1992

Perfectly aligns with what I was saying in the Fable thread, thank you for your concession.

[Magick]

2014 game having people with "X gender" is giga-woke

On it's own? Likely nothing (even the Wikitrannies admit it's reaching, lol. The seethe in that statement I quoted was amusing).
Taken with the other gay marriage element? (Clarified by the writer), possibly/probably.

There's no pronoun usage or background (as the wikitrannies admit) to suggest the character is anything but a hetero female, though.
I'll have to replay and reread the game's codex at some point to see if there's any other instances of x being used, since the game's theme / story is heavy on data corruption.

I'd need more evidence to distinguish between the cases where new, woker devs were hired, or the woke devs already there just felt they could get away with more and/or had their NPC programming updated.

Indeed, this is why I'd be curious to look at more instances. These smaller studios with fewer games are easier to track as they grow.

Agreeing with the second half. In the first half case I'd say it's almost certainly a subtle ****** dog whistle and absolutely not about data corruption.

Unless there's any other instances of a sole x in a codex field, I agree. (It's likely, considering the gay marriage reveal).

The thing is though with the general argument, both of these can't be true:

A. Game devs are ALL / majority ******* happy to push woke.
B. Blackrock (and China) etc. are forcing behaviours via funding conditions.

If A. is true, then B. wouldn't be necessary. If they're happy to Do It For Free, then why the funding restrictions, forced behaviour? Money wouldn't be parted with. Sure the devs consider it a "happy bonus", but the investors wouldn't need to specifically push it and spend (often lose!) money doing so.
I do agree that many are woke though, considering those in the arts often are, (potentially due to being very social people? I dunno, but it's definitely a theme).

And B. is certainly true because, well, despite Rusty's autism/asbergers/altzheimers...

[Stack of Turtles]

The thing is though with the general argument, both of these can't be true:

A. Game devs are ALL / majority ******* happy to push woke.
B. Blackrock (and China) etc. are forcing behaviours via funding conditions.

If A. is true, then B. wouldn't be necessary. If they're happy to Do It For Free, then why the funding restrictions, forced behaviour? Money wouldn't be parted with. Sure the devs consider it a "happy bonus", but the investors wouldn't need to specifically push it and spend (often lose!) money doing so.
I do agree that many are woke though, considering those in the arts often are, (potentially due to being very social people? I dunno, but it's definitely a theme).

And B. is certainly true because, well, despite Rusty's autism/asbergers/altzheimers...

The ESG thing wasn't really about forcing behaviors on companies. That was more of a side effect. IMO the entire purpose was to create a market for ESG funds that libtards would pay a premium to get into, with the probable endgame of bureaucrats forcing pension funds, university endowments, etc. into ESG funds for purity reasons, as an extension of / way to take advantage of the social pressures toward BDS and divesting from tobacco or oil that prevailed during the years of max libtardism. In this way, people could be funnelled into paying higher fees for lower-performing assets because they get paid in moral superiority, while the investment companies harvest the arbitrage.

[sheet]

Alright. Time to weigh in my non-commital "it's complicated"...

Game dev in the West in the 80s/early 90s: hobbyists (i.e. only passion, no formal education), mostly white, in rented offices with small teams. Lots of startups in the dot com bubble, desperate for publishers.

Some find success, publishers grow, IPOs, investors want growth. These game studios now work alongside the corporate structure, HR departments, upper management runs the show, many studios already in urban centers. "Doing computers good" now enters the education pipeline, meaning you need a degree to get a corporate job. College brainwashing.

Just these two things alone... The game was rigged from the start. But also bear in mind that America hasn't had a viable "right-wing" since the 60s. All had been on decline even before video games existed. Even if you had enterprising studios in the beginning, the people working at them were politically neutral or ambivalent at best, and with how much many of them wanted the legitimacy that movies had, they of course began to imitate the already leftist-captured institution of movies and television.

Corporations follow left wing ideology because leftists have more money (college educated people generally make a lot more than non), and because leftist policy benefits corporations (transfers the burden of providing benefits to workers to the State /taxpayers)
The leftist capture is self protective, and what stack of turtles says is true. ESG is a way to cash in on ideological leftists. It's not "forced" on companies, but high education barrier companies located in urban centers are already pre-disposed to implement progressive ideas.

[Bertram_Tung]

what stack of turtles says is true

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