The Expanse: Osiris Reborn — Owlcat Got Mass Effect In My TV Show!

[Jordy]

Whatever else happens, I’d better not be railroaded into siding with the ******* Belters.

You know it will happen.

[CheesusCrust]

The dialogue in the video is ******* cringe.

she sounds like that lesbian co-worker that gets up at 5am for her usual one hour morning run to see the same "great" spot near the local park's river she mentions every time at lunch

[rusty_shackleford]

Thank you spam bot that will attempt to edit his post months from now

[Jordy]

Just one word to describe is: Wowww

is that a good wowww or a bad wowww?

[CheesusCrust]

because i hate being the one diving into the new series without proper lore understanding, i started reading The Expanse books...

15 pages in. the first character is a Mary Sue halfblood femoid with typical Mary Sue name, a chick that hails from prestige family, but (who would've thought) rejects the idea of showing she's rich (it is then emphasized by describing her poorly furnitured generic room). oh, and of course she studies martial arts, duh. then I'm introduced to one of the main male chars and his bossy boss - a classical "stronk independant womble". as if it's not enough, I'm then told said male char plows a ****** femoid, who is also stronk and independent because she only wants sex and keeps him on a short leash. another male char is introduced, a detective... bossed around by yet ANOTHER stronk independent womble. and i still got like dozen more books ahead + TV series. i want to nuke something.

yes, every foid in the book is portrayed tough and smart, while men are sniveling and emotional. haven't encountered a leading male char yet that wouldn't get "consulted" by a tough gal always mingling nearby.


edit 2: around 35 pages in. it's worse than you imagine. EVERY character is non-white to various degree. Caucasians are a ******* rarity, just like names that are not tainted with *****/******-indicating parts. male characters get swapped like flies. the detective character falls in love with Mary Sue ******-***** just after learning she's not like other girls because she acted like a ******* ******* to her parents. the detective's male sidekick got replaced by a stronk independent ****** foid after a few pages.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

because i hate being the one diving into the new series without proper lore understanding, i started reading The Expanse books...

15 pages in. the first character is a Mary Sue halfblood femoid with typical Mary Sue name, a chick that hails from prestige family, but (who would've thought) rejects the idea of showing she's rich (it is then emphasized by describing her poorly furnitured generic room). oh, and of course she studies martial arts, duh. then I'm introduced to one of the main male chars and his bossy boss - a classical "stronk independant womble". as if it's not enough, I'm then told said male char plows a ****** femoid, who is also stronk and independent because she only wants sex and keeps him on a short leash. another male char is introduced, a detective... bossed around by yet ANOTHER stronk independent womble. and i still got like dozen more books ahead + TV series. i want to nuke something.

yes, every foid in the book is portrayed tough and smart, while men are sniveling and emotional. haven't encountered a leading male char yet that wouldn't get "consulted" by a tough gal always mingling nearby.


edit 2: around 35 pages in. it's worse than you imagine. EVERY character is non-white to various degree. Caucasians are a ******* rarity, just like names that are not tainted with *****/******-indicating parts. male characters get swapped like flies. the detective character falls in love with Mary Sue ******-***** just after learning she's not like other girls because she acted like a ******* ******* to her parents. the detective's male sidekick got replaced by a stronk independent ****** foid after a few pages.

Holy **** this game going to shitshow that makes Pathfinder WOTR woke parts look like The Birth of a Nation in comparison.

[J1M]

because i hate being the one diving into the new series without proper lore understanding, i started reading The Expanse books...

15 pages in. the first character is a Mary Sue halfblood femoid with typical Mary Sue name, a chick that hails from prestige family, but (who would've thought) rejects the idea of showing she's rich (it is then emphasized by describing her poorly furnitured generic room). oh, and of course she studies martial arts, duh. then I'm introduced to one of the main male chars and his bossy boss - a classical "stronk independant womble". as if it's not enough, I'm then told said male char plows a ****** femoid, who is also stronk and independent because she only wants sex and keeps him on a short leash. another male char is introduced, a detective... bossed around by yet ANOTHER stronk independent womble. and i still got like dozen more books ahead + TV series. i want to nuke something.

yes, every foid in the book is portrayed tough and smart, while men are sniveling and emotional. haven't encountered a leading male char yet that wouldn't get "consulted" by a tough gal always mingling nearby.


edit 2: around 35 pages in. it's worse than you imagine. EVERY character is non-white to various degree. Caucasians are a ******* rarity, just like names that are not tainted with *****/******-indicating parts. male characters get swapped like flies. the detective character falls in love with Mary Sue ******-***** just after learning she's not like other girls because she acted like a ******* ******* to her parents. the detective's male sidekick got replaced by a stronk independent ****** foid after a few pages.

I only watched the TV show. In your future is a magical girl messiah as well.

Aside from the detective there are only a couple of other interesting male characters. I'd say that what people gravitated towards was probably two elements: the "hard sci-fi" ship battles and Independent Mars as its own seat of power differentiated from Earth in terms of culture.

[ThulsaDoomer]

because i hate being the one diving into the new series without proper lore understanding, i started reading The Expanse books...

15 pages in. the first character is a Mary Sue halfblood femoid with typical Mary Sue name, a chick that hails from prestige family, but (who would've thought) rejects the idea of showing she's rich (it is then emphasized by describing her poorly furnitured generic room). oh, and of course she studies martial arts, duh. then I'm introduced to one of the main male chars and his bossy boss - a classical "stronk independant womble". as if it's not enough, I'm then told said male char plows a ****** femoid, who is also stronk and independent because she only wants sex and keeps him on a short leash. another male char is introduced, a detective... bossed around by yet ANOTHER stronk independent womble. and i still got like dozen more books ahead + TV series. i want to nuke something.

yes, every foid in the book is portrayed tough and smart, while men are sniveling and emotional. haven't encountered a leading male char yet that wouldn't get "consulted" by a tough gal always mingling nearby.


edit 2: around 35 pages in. it's worse than you imagine. EVERY character is non-white to various degree. Caucasians are a ******* rarity, just like names that are not tainted with *****/******-indicating parts. male characters get swapped like flies. the detective character falls in love with Mary Sue ******-***** just after learning she's not like other girls because she acted like a ******* ******* to her parents. the detective's male sidekick got replaced by a stronk independent ****** foid after a few pages.

It is a shame as the novels do hard sci-fi quite well, but as you note it's everything else that really drags it down. These elements become significantly worse as the books go on, I quit at book four when the new obsession turns to aliens and repeating tropes. The ideal state of the Expanse IP is gutting many of the characters, rebuilding a new cast, and focusing more on the space politics and an unexplained bio-weapon being exploited. Of course, we're not getting that, this game is being written by incompetent game writers, but that's what I'd like to see in my ideal reality.

[J1M]

because i hate being the one diving into the new series without proper lore understanding, i started reading The Expanse books...

15 pages in. the first character is a Mary Sue halfblood femoid with typical Mary Sue name, a chick that hails from prestige family, but (who would've thought) rejects the idea of showing she's rich (it is then emphasized by describing her poorly furnitured generic room). oh, and of course she studies martial arts, duh. then I'm introduced to one of the main male chars and his bossy boss - a classical "stronk independant womble". as if it's not enough, I'm then told said male char plows a ****** femoid, who is also stronk and independent because she only wants sex and keeps him on a short leash. another male char is introduced, a detective... bossed around by yet ANOTHER stronk independent womble. and i still got like dozen more books ahead + TV series. i want to nuke something.

yes, every foid in the book is portrayed tough and smart, while men are sniveling and emotional. haven't encountered a leading male char yet that wouldn't get "consulted" by a tough gal always mingling nearby.


edit 2: around 35 pages in. it's worse than you imagine. EVERY character is non-white to various degree. Caucasians are a ******* rarity, just like names that are not tainted with *****/******-indicating parts. male characters get swapped like flies. the detective character falls in love with Mary Sue ******-***** just after learning she's not like other girls because she acted like a ******* ******* to her parents. the detective's male sidekick got replaced by a stronk independent ****** foid after a few pages.

It is a shame as the novels do hard sci-fi quite well, but as you note it's everything else that really drags it down. These elements become significantly worse as the books go on, I quit at book four when the new obsession turns to aliens and repeating tropes. The ideal state of the Expanse IP is gutting many of the characters, rebuilding a new cast, and focusing more on the space politics and an unexplained bio-weapon being exploited. Of course, we're not getting that, this game is being written by incompetent game writers, but that's what I'd like to see in my ideal reality.

Imagine buying the expanse IP and then deciding not to focus on ship battles.

[CheesusCrust]

Belters being such terrible people unironically and being rightfully discriminated against because of that is both quite funny and also a good representation of real-life ethnic groups that get **** on because they deserve it, complete with their virtue signaling "dindu-notin" white knights.

can someone explain to me all the factions with spoilers please and why they all suck ***

[TheEmptyRoad]

Belters being such terrible people unironically and being rightfully discriminated against because of that is both quite funny and also a good representation of real-life ethnic groups that get **** on because they deserve it, complete with their virtue signaling "dindu-notin" white knights.

can someone explain to me all the factions with spoilers please and why they all suck ***

Earth is the UN LARPing as a first world superpower.

Mars are militarist civnat terraformers (most of whom largely abandon the terraforming dream as soon as a new habitable world shows up later in the series) who are done with the UN’s BS.

Belters are the Designated Victim Faction who get a free pass by the narrative to be absolute ***** to everyone because they’re ‘oppressed’. Much like the Mages and Elves in Dragon Age, or the Krogan and Geth in Mass Effect, the Usual Suspects love them.

[Galdred]

Every single modern scifi book, TV show, movie, game, etc., is required to portray all black women as super smart intelligent scientist-hackers who can do everything with the power of BLACK GIRL TECH MAGIC so it's unsurprising that both of owlcat's new games have black women in that role

Technically, in RT, she is playing a space voodoo sorceress, which could be considered a borderline stereotype.

[CheesusCrust]

Aside from the detective there are only a couple of other interesting male characters. I'd say that what people gravitated towards was probably two elements: the "hard sci-fi" ship battles and Independent Mars as its own seat of power differentiated from Earth in terms of culture.

It is a shame as the novels do hard sci-fi quite well, but as you note it's everything else that really drags it down.

yes, the sci-fi part and white male characters are the only good parts about the series (as i see so far). but the author is a **** for a ****** pussy, so eat your cake with ****, people

Holy **** this game going to shitshow that makes Pathfinder WOTR woke parts look like The Birth of a Nation in comparison.

These elements become significantly worse as the books go on,

that's the part where i wanna yell "I AM CONFUSHION" because if you look at the promo poster of the game, there ARE white people on it, two of which are fine looking women. i suspect that's the only white people we're gonna ever see in the entire game - considering Owlcat said we're gonna encounter some characters from the series. which are definitely gonna be *******, browns and/or ******. i mean look at some i had mentioned in the previous post:

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Juliette "Julie" Andromeda Mao, ******-***** totally-not Mary Sue with totally-not-typical Mary Sue name. "Julie is a pretty girl with a thin, lunar citizen's frame and long black hair." i can't sympathize with a Mary Sue, let alone with one that got both dog-eater and chicken-eater genes (especially if you see her sister's RPG art where ******-***** appearance is portrayed the best). i still dunno why she was placed in the prologue, she's never seen again, only mentioned and always in a way "oh listen to that poor girl's fate! she so stronk and pretty and perfect and smart and rich and, and, AND she's like COOL and rides a cool car! please feel bad for her fate we'll tell you at the end of the book!" bro shut your ***** *** up


James Holden. it was him when i said there's a dude who was plowing a ****** foid, Ade Tukunbo...

...who was renamed Ade Nygaard (Niggard lmao) in TV series and who was race swapped too!


but why Ade was race swapped you ask? i tell you - so that Holden later falls in love with his ugly ****** crewmate Naomi of course, a 6 foot tall monkey mommy, because Ade dies along with the rest of Canterbury ship and all needs to see that black wahman is somehow a valid replacement for a blonde cutie. Holden is said to be a strong leader, yet the author nukes his own character's archetype by literally emphasizing in the book how Naomi is always smarter than Holden and is always there put in her two cents. ofc Holden is very keen and always eager to follow Naomi's ******* advice.


the detective, Joe Miller, and his sidekick, Havelock (who's ******* Spanish and whose name is "Dimitri", thanks i hate it, but at least he's not black ). oh wow, finally more men that don't get immediately killed, one even white. but no.

because we can't enjoy our men without a pinch of vagina in our story. Captain Shaddid, Joe's bossy boss, and Octavia Muss, the ****** who will take Havelock's place just after ten pages or so in the book. Muss is literally put to work along with Joe because he's seen as a liability and too old-school for the job. what a shocker y'all. older white man is yet again shown as a little incompetent ***** compared to a young righteous ****** with a ****.

suffice to say my little hope for the game is gone and reduced to atoms

[PixiGreen]

because i hate being the one diving into the new series without proper lore understanding, i started reading The Expanse books...

15 pages in. the first character is a Mary Sue halfblood femoid with typical Mary Sue name, a chick that hails from prestige family, but (who would've thought) rejects the idea of showing she's rich (it is then emphasized by describing her poorly furnitured generic room). oh, and of course she studies martial arts, duh. then I'm introduced to one of the main male chars and his bossy boss - a classical "stronk independant womble". as if it's not enough, I'm then told said male char plows a ****** femoid, who is also stronk and independent because she only wants sex and keeps him on a short leash. another male char is introduced, a detective... bossed around by yet ANOTHER stronk independent womble. and i still got like dozen more books ahead + TV series. i want to nuke something.

yes, every foid in the book is portrayed tough and smart, while men are sniveling and emotional. haven't encountered a leading male char yet that wouldn't get "consulted" by a tough gal always mingling nearby.


edit 2: around 35 pages in. it's worse than you imagine. EVERY character is non-white to various degree. Caucasians are a ******* rarity, just like names that are not tainted with *****/******-indicating parts. male characters get swapped like flies. the detective character falls in love with Mary Sue ******-***** just after learning she's not like other girls because she acted like a ******* ******* to her parents. the detective's male sidekick got replaced by a stronk independent ****** foid after a few pages.

You are exaggerating the horror. First, there are four main characters - three men, one woman. Two men - Holden and Amos - are white. Alex Kamal is SA but he is first and foremost a Marsian. The woman - Naomi - is described as having dark skin, black curly hair, and a mix of African, Asian, and South American features. However (!) it's a passing mention; the books are about Earth-Mars-Belters. She calls herself "belter woman", there is even a dialogue "you never looked at me, I assumed you are not into belter women".
Second, your "Mari Sue" should already be dead by now (what page are you on?), it's a side character. There are enough current-day precedents where kids of rich families are thoroughly brainwashed to hate their parents. Nothing to see here.

The setting itself is what the population would look like if liberal globalists won and were doing what they are preaching - peacefully mixed races, cultures and religions and enforced total tolerance (or if such a thing was possible). What happened, the population immediately self-segregated into Earthers, Marsians and Belters with very distinct looks and culture. There are no whites/blacks/asians here; division is on a planetary level. Quite realistic, I would say.

The TV series added (and emphasized!) more agenda. What would game do... Probably add more, yes. But who knows, it does look like cultural shift began and things at least turned in the right direction.

[MrTwinkls]

The setting itself is what the population would look like if liberal globalists won and were doing what they are preaching - peacefully mixed races, cultures and religions and enforced total tolerance (or if such a thing was possible). What happened, the population immediately self-segregated into Earthers, Marsians and Belters with very distinct looks and culture. There are no whites/blacks/asians here; division is on a planetary level. Quite realistic, I would say.

This passage Immediately reminded me of Transmetropolitan.

[J1M]

Amos is a main character?

Is Holden's coffee cup also a main character? It's on the ship too.

[CheesusCrust]

You are exaggerating the horror.

yeah, sorry, should've exaggerated harder, my bad, it's much worse

Alex Kamal is SA but he is first and foremost a Marsian.

yes, a ****** from Mars

The woman - Naomi - is described as having dark skin, black curly hair, and a mix of African, Asian, and South American features.

yes, a ******* ******

Second, your "Mari Sue" should already be dead by now (what page are you on?), it's a side character. There are enough current-day precedents where kids of rich families are thoroughly brainwashed to hate their parents. Nothing to see here.

I'm at 1/3 of the book, but I've figured the ***** is dead. Mao is put on special girl pedestal and is expected to be treated as one by the reader only because she's a half-******, allegedly beautiful (literally not) and being "relatable af" for rejecting family riches and joining the rebels. ***** ain't special, she's annoying and she's not even actively participating in the story

The setting itself is what the population would look like if liberal globalists won and were doing what they are preaching - peacefully mixed races, cultures and religions and enforced total tolerance (or if such a thing was possible). What happened, the population immediately self-segregated into Earthers, Marsians and Belters with very distinct looks and culture. There are no whites/blacks/asians here; division is on a planetary level.

peacefully mixed races

enforced total tolerance

There are no whites/blacks/asians here

Quite realistic, I would say.

I'm supposed to be reading a sci-fi, not modern day liberal wet fantasy

The TV series added (and emphasized!) more agenda. What would game do... Probably add more, yes.

literally what i said in the first place

[Ryzer]

Game will be **** full stop.

[PixiGreen]

Quite realistic, I would say.

I'm supposed to be reading a sci-fi, not modern day liberal wet fantasy

And you are reading it - a disgustingly realistic prediction of the logical development of humanity should the current trends persist (or be possible), plus some alien tech. You can call it anti-utopia too, but so were a lot of Bradbury's books.

The TV series added (and emphasized!) more agenda. What would game do... Probably add more, yes.

literally what i said in the first place

No one is arguing with this. I do hope for something better, but it's just wishful thinking.

[rusty_shackleford]

Thank you spam bot that will attempt to edit his post months from now

Days
I always forget disapproving the edit deletes the post :/

[gerey]

Game will be **** full stop.

I assume this will be the first Owlcat game where they don't have a notoriously petty and litigious IP owner breathing down their neck, demanding they pozz up the game more than necessary, so it remains to be seen if all the woke **** in the Pathfinder and Warhammer games was because of Paizo and GW, or if it was all Owlcat's fault.

Looking at the one bit of art they've released so far, and in stark contrast with both the books and TV show, the main cast appears to be predominantly White, with all characters being attractive.

Even the sheboon adheres more closely to Japanese game ****** aesthetics than it does to Western ****** representation.



It's still gay that the game lacks spaceship battles. Even something as basic and dogshit as the ship battles in Rogue Trader would have been better than ******* nothing.

[PixiGreen]

Game will be **** full stop.

I assume this will be the first Owlcat game where they don't have a notoriously petty and litigious IP owner breathing down their neck, demanding they pozz up the game more than necessary, so it remains to be seen if all the woke **** in the Pathfinder and Warhammer games was because of Paizo and GW, or if it was all Owlcat's fault.

Looking at the one bit of art they've released so far, and in stark contrast with both the books and TV show, the main cast appears to be predominantly White, with all characters being attractive.

Even the sheboon adheres more closely to Japanese game ****** aesthetics than it does to Western ****** representation.



It's still gay that the game lacks spaceship battles. Even something as basic and dogshit as the ship battles in Rogue Trader would have been better than ******* nothing.

ME did not have ship battles, but was a fine Sci-Fi game. I mean, it's good to have, but space battles is kind of a separate genre, not just anyone can pull off. Unless it's literally like RT, it can be too big a bite.
The potential crew, though, does give that glimpse of hope...

[rusty_shackleford]

I suspect people who want ship battles either read the books or watched the series, ship battles make up a decent bit of it(afaik based on what people said wrt books, I've only seen the show)

[ThulsaDoomer]

Amos is a main character?

Is Holden's coffee cup also a main character? It's on the ship too.

Holden's coffee cup and machine are both prominent side characters, yes.

Amos was one of the great things about the books for me, given he's one of the few competent people with a zero ******** mindset. Holden has his moments but he represents that kind of old school progressive mindset of "humanity surely will change" (while he sides with minority terrorists with no redeeming qualities) only even Holden relies on Amos when his white knighting gets in the way, which is 90% of the time, so much so that other characters constantly point out how much of a ******** idealist Holden is. I suppose the best comparison is that he's the Lawrence of Arabia of space, never quite aligning with his own people because the UN is somehow filled to the brim with ********* and female politicians. Mars is kinda cool, at least they acknowledge everyone else around them are ******* lunatics and meets that threat with actual force of arms.

I'll admit Rogue Trader surprised me that it wasn't as desperately degenerate as their previous titles, but it still had very obvious homosexual content and such. I foresee another Mass Effect situation, in that we will be disparaged for trying to align with anyone but the belters or the zogbot saar UN, Mars will be painted very close to their facist regime rhetoric they love so much, etc. Granted, ME writers believed white people no longer exist in the future, which as Gerey pointed out isn't the case at least from the material we can see.

[J1M]

I like Amos, I just wouldn't call him a main character.

Also, if they work on ship battles, in theory the character progression system will be half as convoluted as Rogue Trader.

[Mikeal]

Game will be **** full stop.

I assume this will be the first Owlcat game where they don't have a notoriously petty and litigious IP owner breathing down their neck, demanding they pozz up the game more than necessary, so it remains to be seen if all the woke **** in the Pathfinder and Warhammer games was because of Paizo and GW, or if it was all Owlcat's fault.

Looking at the one bit of art they've released so far, and in stark contrast with both the books and TV show, the main cast appears to be predominantly White, with all characters being attractive.

Even the sheboon adheres more closely to Japanese game ****** aesthetics than it does to Western ****** representation.



It's still gay that the game lacks spaceship battles. Even something as basic and dogshit as the ship battles in Rogue Trader would have been better than ******* nothing.

Owlcucks are pozzed as **** stop defending them and blaming Paizo and GW. Main cast appears white and pretty probably due to hidden woke which will jump out after 4-5 hours of playing.

[rusty_shackleford]

Owlcucks are pozzed as **** stop defending them and blaming Paizo and GW. Main cast appears white and pretty probably due to hidden woke which will jump out after 4-5 hours of playing.

I don't disagree, but as far as woketard levels go in recent years, Rogue Trader scored fairly low. Definitely far below WotR.

[Mikeal]

Work accident at best.

[gerey]

Main cast appears white and pretty probably due to hidden woke which will jump out after 4-5 hours of playing.

GW are notorious for being incredibly difficult to work with, so everything in Rogue Trader was either their suggestion, or had to be approved by them.

Maybe you're right. I'm just willing to withhold judgment until they reveal more about the game.

That Asian twink is 100% gay though.

[Unhelpful Contrarian]

Game will be **** full stop.

I assume this will be the first Owlcat game where they don't have a notoriously petty and litigious IP owner breathing down their neck, demanding they pozz up the game more than necessary, so it remains to be seen if all the woke **** in the Pathfinder

Funny you say that because I remember when Owlcat did a AMA for kingmaker and discussed how originally they wanted to add some ***** character ( unfortunately they got there way in Pathfinder WOTR) and I believe Paizo Veto that idea . I can’t imagine how bad it was that Paizo would reject Owlcat idea.

Its was also funny how the community manager complained about the negative response by the community for that post.