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UnfairTradeCoffee wrote: April 6th, 2024, 17:29
@gerey For the Dead Space Remake, THAT counts as mildly pozzed for you? Strange standards for such a based avatar. I guess you reserved 'full pozzage' for games that actually preach stuff at you?
I mean, they didn't racebend any of the characters, they didn't make any of them gay, the protagonist is competent and proactive and doesn't get belittled by a girlboss at every turn, the story stays faithful to the original, merely expanding upon certain aspects. They could have done much, much worse with the game.

They did change how the characters look (for the worse), but the original was pretty weird in that aspect already - Nicole is meant to be in her (very) late 30s or early 40s, yet she looks like a 20-year-old. Granted, the new model looks much uglier than the voice actress for the character, but I'm not sure whether that's deliberate or usual EA incompetence (probably deliberate).

As for the changes in the corporate propaganda, they're unintentionally hilarious. The Ishimura is meant to be OSHA hell, with people routinely losing their limbs in accidents, yet corporate plastered the whole place with ugly ****** women wielding dangerous industrial equipment. They're deliberately painting the callous, greedy, cruel corporation as DEI/woke. Is EA trying to tell us that the diversity hires are the reason the ship is a deathtrap?

That's why I say it's medium on the pozzing category. Remains to be seen if they'll have that bugeyed monkey play Ellie in the Dead Space 2 Remake.

As a textbook example of "full pozzage", I think AssCreed fits the bill - ****, minorities and degeneracy are everywhere, constant preaching at the player etc.
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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 18:47
UnfairTradeCoffee wrote: April 6th, 2024, 17:29
@gerey For the Dead Space Remake, THAT counts as mildly pozzed for you? Strange standards for such a based avatar. I guess you reserved 'full pozzage' for games that actually preach stuff at you?
they didn't make any of them gay
Didn't they make one of the women in the opening randomly mention a girlfriend that didn't exist in the original?
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Oyster Sauce wrote: April 6th, 2024, 18:52
Didn't they make one of the women in the opening randomly mention a girlfriend that didn't exist in the original?
Oh, you're right, my mistake. Completely forgot about that part.

Still doesn't cross over into full pozzage category for me, but I'm willing to cede the point if others disagree.
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I can't believe the game "What's Your Gender?" turned out to be woke, losing my mind rn
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 16:06
Element wrote: April 6th, 2024, 10:33
I think if Elden Ring qualifies for mild, then so does Morrowind. It's just that perceptions of such things were different at the time
Do you have any specific details to help me get started? I haven't played this game myself yet (hopefully waiting for Skywind's release). During my preliminary research for this game, I heard talk Vivec is intersex? But when I looked up that character on the wiki he seemed to use male pronouns.
36 lessons of vivec, sermon 14, is enough for it to jump into the same ballpark as ER, I think
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Element wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:05
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 16:06
Element wrote: April 6th, 2024, 10:33
I think if Elden Ring qualifies for mild, then so does Morrowind. It's just that perceptions of such things were different at the time
Do you have any specific details to help me get started? I haven't played this game myself yet (hopefully waiting for Skywind's release). During my preliminary research for this game, I heard talk Vivec is intersex? But when I looked up that character on the wiki he seemed to use male pronouns.
36 lessons of vivec, sermon 14, is enough for it to jump into the same ballpark as ER, I think
Hmm. Perhaps. So if I understand this right, this passage makes insinuations of homosexual activity correct? Are there any examples of homosexual characters/interactions in the game? This passage says such activity is considered a "forbidden ritual" but some still practice it in secret. I guess that could be considered social commentary on the mainstream view of homosexuality at the time?

Edit: nvm I found this; "Crassius Curio refers to the Nerevarine as 'my little flower' and as having a 'supple little waist,' as well as himself as an admirer of theirs. This occurs regardless of the gender chosen by the player." Apparently he also solicits a kiss from you? That alone is enough to categorize this game as overtly pro-LGBTQ+. Morrowind has been changed to not recommended.
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vivec was just based on that one hindu god that @Gregz knows about
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Roguey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 10:57
Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition Larian Studios Larian Studios Recommended Contains no Woke content.
There's a gay human/orc couple in the last town.
Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition Owlcat Games Prime Matter Recommended Contains no Woke content
There's definitely gay stuff in this. Linzi is very subtly gay, Octavia and Regongar are bisexuals in an open relationship, the tiefling twins are also bisexual.
Tyranny Obsidian Entertainment Paradox Interactive Recommended Contains no Woke content.
This is a can of worms. :lol:
Thanks for this information. Anything to add in regard to Tyranny? So far I haven't found any readily apparent information on it.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:32
Morrowind has been changed to not recommended.
Which gets to show that your fancy list is entirely gay itself.
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Decline wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:59
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:32
Morrowind has been changed to not recommended.
Which gets to show that your fancy list is entirely gay itself.
Uh, I'm not sure I understand but you are certainly welcome to your own opinion. However, if I may, engaging in ad hominem attacks isn't going to help your position nor hurt mine.
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The pervert who insists you call him uncle and strip for him/kiss him to bypass quest requirements isn't a pro-LGBT character
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Ah, I just remembered. The bathroom signs in the Dead Space remake have become ****** friendly.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:17
The pervert who insists you call him uncle and strip for him/kiss him to bypass quest requirements isn't a pro-LGBT character
No, just an accurate one.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:17
The pervert who insists you call him uncle and strip for him/kiss him to bypass quest requirements isn't a pro-LGBT character
I imagine this was said in jest but just in case it wasn't:
Here's where I found that info: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/LGBTQ+
Note the title. Their words, not mine.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:26
Oyster Sauce wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:17
The pervert who insists you call him uncle and strip for him/kiss him to bypass quest requirements isn't a pro-LGBT character
I imagine this was said in jest but just in case it wasn't:
Here's where I found that info: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/LGBTQ+
Note the title. Their words, not mine.
He's a gay theater guy joke character. I disagree that he's intended to be a positive portrayal of homosexuality.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:56
Thanks for this information. Anything to add in regard to Tyranny? So far I haven't found any readily apparent information on it.
There are some gay and playersexual npcs, the particular area the game takes place in has a society where men own ships and women own land, the gender of the overlord is intentionally ambiguous, lotta strong women.
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Oyster Sauce wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:34
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:26
Oyster Sauce wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:17
The pervert who insists you call him uncle and strip for him/kiss him to bypass quest requirements isn't a pro-LGBT character
I imagine this was said in jest but just in case it wasn't:
Here's where I found that info: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/LGBTQ+
Note the title. Their words, not mine.
He's a gay theater guy joke character. I disagree that he's intended to be a positive portrayal of homosexuality.
Unless you have a quote from a designer/developer to support that claim, him being a joke character seems like speculation on your part. It is a fact that in the game, he asks you to take off your clothes in a perverted, sexually suggestive way and later asks for a kiss. I don't see how walking the player through multiple homoerotic scenes/interactions is anything but pro-LGBTQ+. From what I understand, if you acquiesce, he helps you and the story moves forward, making him a viable option for game progression. That doesn't seem like the role a joke character would play.
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Roguey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:47
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:56
Thanks for this information. Anything to add in regard to Tyranny? So far I haven't found any readily apparent information on it.
There are some gay and playersexual npcs, the particular area the game takes place in has a society where men own ships and women own land, the gender of the overlord is intentionally ambiguous, lotta strong women.
Thanks, I'll look into this. Because of the information in your other post, I have updated Divinity: Original Sin and Pathfinder: Kingmaker to informational.
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Rand wrote: April 6th, 2024, 17:11
Beware:
It's debatable if Skywind will be an accurate representation of Morrowind.
We have already found that many (as in A LOT) of female voices are being done by ***** VAs.
That bodes ill for the devs not adding pozz.
After seeing the absolute dumpster fire that was Fallout: The Frontier - you ABSOLUTELY should not be hyped for any 'large scale' community project. It is going to be disgusting woke garbage, and that is a statement of fact.
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Not woke: Chronicles of Myrtana: Archolos


Also one of the best RPGs I've played in a very long time.

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The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Not Recommended - Contains overtly pro-LGBTQ+ messaging. Even as a male player, The npc Crassius Curio refers to the player as 'my little flower,' as having a 'supple little waist,' and may request a kiss.
For some reason I don't think depicting a sexually depraved and corrupt colonial administrator as a degenerate pederast is pro-lgbt or woke.

As for cyberpunk, wouldn't it be less believable if there weren't ****** in a liberal corporate dystopia in modern America (I didn't finish the game and I'm sure its woke but not for that reason)?
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:09
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Not Recommended - Contains overtly pro-LGBTQ+ messaging. Even as a male player, The npc Crassius Curio refers to the player as 'my little flower,' as having a 'supple little waist,' and may request a kiss.
For some reason I don't think depicting a sexually depraved and corrupt colonial administrator as a degenerate pederast is pro-lgbt or woke.

As for cyberpunk, wouldn't it be less believable if there weren't ****** in a liberal corporate dystopia in modern America (I didn't finish the game and I'm sure its woke but not for that reason)?
The Morrowind problem is subtle, it is there. Vivec is also a shape-shifting ******, who uses a spear that is a, I forget now - but I want to say Molag Bal's?, ****.

That said - Cassius Curio is from Hlaalu, and if you play Hlaalu you are almost 100% chance a woke loser IRL anyway since House Redoran is what actual gamers play.
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rusty_shackleford wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:04
Not woke: Chronicles of Myrtana: Archolos


Also one of the best RPGs I've played in a very long time.

Store page says it's a mod for Gothic II: Gold Edition. I can add the mod itself to our list but only games show up in the curator. What are your thoughts on Gothic II: Gold Edition? Also, as a reminder, please make recommendations like this over on the Steam group. I'm trying to limit my interactions here to cater only to those who are unable to join on Steam. Thanks.

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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:32
Element wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:05
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 16:06

Do you have any specific details to help me get started? I haven't played this game myself yet (hopefully waiting for Skywind's release). During my preliminary research for this game, I heard talk Vivec is intersex? But when I looked up that character on the wiki he seemed to use male pronouns.
36 lessons of vivec, sermon 14, is enough for it to jump into the same ballpark as ER, I think
Hmm. Perhaps. So if I understand this right, this passage makes insinuations of homosexual activity correct? Are there any examples of homosexual characters/interactions in the game? This passage says such activity is considered a "forbidden ritual" but some still practice it in secret. I guess that could be considered social commentary on the mainstream view of homosexuality at the time?

Edit: nvm I found this; "Crassius Curio refers to the Nerevarine as 'my little flower' and as having a 'supple little waist,' as well as himself as an admirer of theirs. This occurs regardless of the gender chosen by the player." Apparently he also solicits a kiss from you? That alone is enough to categorize this game as overtly pro-LGBTQ+. Morrowind has been changed to not recommended.
To be complete, Crassius Curio is alluded to in game as THE complete degenerate.
He is a notable writer of the type of pornography of the time, most notably "The Lusty Argonian Maid", an infamous book.
His behavior towards everybody is inappropriate.
But he has something the Nerevarine needs and is perfectly happy to use blackmail from a position of power to satisfy his perversions.

Now, the problem is that the game gives you no way to succeed in House Hlaalu without acceding to his perversions.
A normal person would write an alternate quest path that allows you to, at least, bypass the pervert, if not find an ally and destroy him, both of which would allow completion of the quests.
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Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 21:04
Decline wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:59
Furin wrote: April 6th, 2024, 20:32
Morrowind has been changed to not recommended.
Which gets to show that your fancy list is entirely gay itself.
Uh, I'm not sure I understand but you are certainly welcome to your own opinion. However, if I may, engaging in ad hominem attacks isn't going to help your position nor hurt mine.
Don't mind that. It's not an attack, just a humorous snide remark because we all have our favorites despite the failings of them.
We get a lot of that here.
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:09
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - Not Recommended - Contains overtly pro-LGBTQ+ messaging. Even as a male player, The npc Crassius Curio refers to the player as 'my little flower,' as having a 'supple little waist,' and may request a kiss.
For some reason I don't think depicting a sexually depraved and corrupt colonial administrator as a degenerate pederast is pro-lgbt or woke.

As for cyberpunk, wouldn't it be less believable if there weren't ****** in a liberal corporate dystopia in modern America (I didn't finish the game and I'm sure its woke but not for that reason)?
Perhaps it helps to think about it like this: Why did they make the character that way in the first place? They chose to make that character like that. Why? What message are they trying to send? Why do they present the player with an opportunity to engage in homoerotic activity to move the story forward? Is it really harmless fun? Or are they trying to comment on society/normalize the abnormal? What message does that send to a young person more impressionable than a full adult? When that game first came out, maybe I would have agreed that is harmless. But with the totality of all that has happened since, perhaps it was just one small step to move their agenda forward. Especially given we now know how far they will go to target younger demographics with this messaging. I'm not saying I have all the answers here, but this is how we need to consider such things now that these people have revealed their motivations/intentions for what they are. If we give them an inch, who's to say they won't take a mile? Just think about how quickly things have changed in just a short amount of time.
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Rand wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:18
Don't mind that. It's not an attack, just a humorous snide remark because we all have our favorites despite the failings of them.
We get a lot of that here.
Even if something is actively woke, and not recommended - you can still play it, you know. You're just not a purist, but that's a perfectly acceptable.

I would say, however, if you're really wanting to support anti-woke, but want to play woke games, just pirate borrow them.
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Nammu Archag wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:09
As for cyberpunk, wouldn't it be less believable if there weren't ****** in a liberal corporate dystopia in modern America (I didn't finish the game and I'm sure its woke but not for that reason)?
Depends entirely on how they are portrayed.
TKVNC wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:25
Even if something is actively woke, and not recommended - you can still play it, you know. You're just not a purist, but that's a perfectly acceptable.
These days it's impossible to completely avoid woke content. It all really comes down to how much you're willing to tolerate.
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gerey wrote: April 6th, 2024, 22:28
These days it's impossible to completely avoid woke content. It all really comes down to how much you're willing to tolerate.
I would say the key point is lack of support for woke developers, rather than necessarily avoiding playing the content itself - but people should be very careful to not ignore woke content when recommending content - hence this curator.