List of woke and non-woke role-playing games

[Tweed]

The negative reviews mentioned other issues with the writing, seen in the attached screenshots, but half of the complaints seems to be more, well, writing issues than anything woke.

Same difference, either they wanted to send a message or they sent one because they couldn't write a decent story, but the fact that everything is handed to the player makes it clear that's what this was all about.

[Breathe]

You have a group of fascists who happen to be dressed up like they're in the American revolution, who pledge allegiance to a flag every morning, killed squirrels of another color fur to take their land, jail people for looking arabic or making ***** jokes, and get overthrown by children and musicians standing up for themselves who put up a rainbow flag.

Jesus I may as well delete the pirated copy off of my ssd. Dafuq is this.

It is the outline of what they are eventually going to do to all those who oppose their insanity. Its political masturbation, though some might suggest it is the typical "warning before the storm" that is often associated with those influencing this culture. That is, ever notice the number of movies and shows about a pandemic, right before the pandemic? Go back throughout media and world events, it is rather eyrie how often the media content almost tells exactly what is about to happen.

Yes I'm well aware of predictive programming, but whoever made small saga is just a delusional ****** with no actual power.

[Xenich]

Jesus I may as well delete the pirated copy off of my ssd. Dafuq is this.

It is the outline of what they are eventually going to do to all those who oppose their insanity. Its political masturbation, though some might suggest it is the typical "warning before the storm" that is often associated with those influencing this culture. That is, ever notice the number of movies and shows about a pandemic, right before the pandemic? Go back throughout media and world events, it is rather eyrie how often the media content almost tells exactly what is about to happen.

Yes I'm well aware of predictive programming, but whoever made small saga is just a delusional ****** with no actual power.

Didn't mean to imply you didn't, I just see it so **** often these days, I forget some are just useful idiots parroting their own programming.

[twig]

@twig is there a limit on what games you would want to include due to playerbase?

I am playing Undernauts which has been a pretty decent Dungeon crawler thus far and apart from it being Japanese and featuring blank slate characters which can be anything from being manly to a females (sometimes in revealing clothes) and a few monsters and a little girl being a strong monster (that has some wierd tentacle monster attached to it) there is nothing I would remotely see as woke.

I'd rather limit it to games above a certain threshold of notability. For that reason, I'd rather not include Undernauts.

Can't find the mod, 50% female commanders are much worse than it anyhow.

So there's stronk woman dialogue in the unmodded game? How bad is it?

It's nothing special unless you're really against women in warfare like I am. Wouldn't call it preachy, it's moreso **** like "They said I couldn't do war because I'm a girl but I showed them!".
Is that more or less **** than them just lampshading the fact that there are women serving in armies? I dunno.

In order to give Bannerlord a specific rating despite user disagreement, I'd like to simplify the matter to the following— excessive female commanders happen in most games, but aren't too blatant for people who aren't looking for such things. The dialogue from female leaders/commanders is self-aware but doesn't really promote pozzedness. There's no ****** worship, and no ******/nON-biNaRy pandering. The resultant rating is mild wokeness.

If you have reservations wrt this approach or rating then please voice them.

@twig How extensive do you intend the list to be? Would you include total conversion mods like Enderal which are free?

I think Enderal is notable despite being a total conversion mod.

A question, if I may. I have noticed that the Black Geyser is not color-coded in green. Is that an oversight or do you not recommend the game for some reason?

I don't give recommendations for subgenres or games I personally dislike for subjective reasons, so blobbers and RTWP are out.

[Element]

I think Enderal is notable despite being a total conversion mod.

If so I'd suggest it as mild. The only things I recall are the Qyranians, who are POC and polygamous and you get a couple of lines from a few characters about them being oppressed and whatnot. Also Calia and Jespar are both romanceable irrespective of the character's sex.

You could also add Tyranny, maybe in the same category. It goes out of its way to make women the elite fighters of the scarlet chorus, with Verse being your first companion. Scarlet sisters or something like that. Does not make sense especially with the other archon Graven Ashe acknowledging that the chorus are rapists. Representation of women as leaders and commanders of the oathbreakers is excessive. There's also what I presume is beginning of homo romance with Barik when you ask him if you should try and remove the armour he's been trapped inside of years. He inexplicably interprets that line as you making pass at him.

[Lord of Riva]

I'd rather limit it to games above a certain threshold of notability. For that reason, I'd rather not include Undernauts.

Could you give a rough hallmark as how high this threshold is? I think it's understandable but would like to know when I have to take the effort to post.

I think Enderal is notable despite being a total conversion mod.

If so I'd suggest it as mild. The only things I recall are the Qyranians, who are POC and polygamous and you get a couple of lines from a few characters about them being oppressed and whatnot. Also Calia and Jespar are both romanceable irrespective of the character's sex.

You could also add Tyranny, maybe in the same category. It goes out of its way to make women the elite fighters of the scarlet chorus, with Verse being your first companion. Scarlet sisters or something like that. Does not make sense especially with the other archon Graven Ashe acknowledging that the chorus are rapists. Representation of women as leaders and commanders of the oathbreakers is excessive. There's also what I presume is beginning of homo romance with Barik when you ask him if you should try and remove the armour he's been trapped inside of years. He inexplicably interprets that line as you making pass at him.

I disagree on Tyranny it's certainly not mild, it's rather high.

The "big-bad" is genderless, on purpose, if I remember correctly so is Tunon. And this is featured in a lot dialogues, the question if Kairos is male or female is featured prominently and the answer is always, we don't know for all we care *they* are neither.

I really do not think it's a metaphor for the abstraction of evil, it's gender ****. Barik is an Incel, encased in a metal armor, where he shits and pisses himself, which is commented on mutliple times, all women are strong and independent and promiscuous 4 female companions, 2 male ones and the other male character is a scribe.

The whole scarlet Chorus is a anarchist group where only those with power hold any authority and of course their elite fighting force solely consists of women.

That all in addition to what you said above, women are not only overrepresented they are especially represented where leadership or male dominated spaces are concerned and most assholish characters are male.

I personally would put it at high. I like the game btw. to some extent there are some really cool setpieces, systems and designs in the game could have been great.

[Roguey]

Barik is an Incel, encased in a metal armor, where he shits and pisses himself, which is commented on mutliple times,

Chris Avellone created this character. Also there's a DLC where you can crack him out of it where he turns out to be handsome (also you can have sex with him).

all women are strong and independent and promiscuous

Sirin was a slave. Ebb becomes your slave. Kills-in-Shadow is submissive to you.

The whole scarlet Chorus is a anarchist group where only those with power hold any authority and of course their elite fighting force solely consists of women.

Scarlet Chorus has a clear hierachy and the one at the top is a man. Most of the group leaders I can remember are men. Initiation into the Chorus involves getting raped and tortured.

That all in addition to what you said above, women are not only overrepresented they are especially represented where leadership or male dominated spaces are concerned and most assholish characters are male.

Most of the faction leaders are men. All the women in the game are also assholes.

The creative lead of Tyranny has a woman fetish, but I would not describe him as woke. There are too many queers for my liking, but hardly any blacks to speak of. The most sympathetic faction that the majority of people join is a group of white nationalists.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

Is it really bestiality if it's a man magically turned into a bear, you've seen him turning into a bear, with mind of a man, and has sex with you?
Part of the zoophilia/bestiality thing is that lower intelligence factor
is having sex with a demon also bestiality or is it not because it's a fantasy race that doesnt exist?

If a man dresses up like a bear and has sex with you, is it zoophilia/bestiality?
If a man is hairy and is a muscled bear-type/strongman, is this zoophilia/bestiality or just short of it?

For the record, I didn't choose the bear option at any point. I like Halsin in his normal form.
what I'm doing is nitpicking cause it's healthy to have one's opinions challenged. That's what makes us better from the woke left and their echo-chambers

From what I'm seeing, some people overthink this and just look for a reason to label BG3 as woke cause you can have male-male romance options, BG3 has obnoxious lesbian couple you need to meet the requirements to meet, and maybe certain background ****** characters you have to look for to encounter

Those people are mad about options they are not forced to participate in

Those who had sex with Shadowheart or that froggy lady I don't care about, or Minthara, essentially betrayed their own race - following this logic - which is a nono and woke cause it promotes interracial relationships, but who am I to judge
Never ask a white supremacist about the skin color of their girlfriend, am I right boys?

Pandering to zoophiles would be an actual animal, that narratively is an actual animal, not a magical man turned into an animal
If BG3 had this scenario, I wouldnt be here

Some of you are just simply overreacting and it shows
Those guidelines make almost all games, especially popular-beloved ones, woke:

- Dragon Age series allows for male-male romance (cause of course that's the pain, lesbians have a pass I assume ), arguably Dragon Age Inquisition is a little bit more "woke" due to more racial diversity.

- Mass Effect series has the same options + entire alien race that whores around with males of different species to collect genes, occasionally having lesbian sex cause why not + promoting symbiosis with alien species/races
Is ******* an alien also bestiality? Idk, I dont like sci-fi aside from Warhammer 40k

- Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen might be woke cause why not. You can date anyone regardless of gender

- Dark Souls III has NPC character that changes sex to the opposite of your character, so I guess DS3 is woke cause it's a genderfluid?

- you can wear a dress in Elden Ring as a male character. Crossdresing is woke, isnt it?

- Witcher 3 woke as **** cause if you inquire you encounter a gay hunter who was kicked out cause he slept with the noble's son, and you can choose a lesbian option while playing as Ciri, and you have racial minorities in Zerrikanians, not to mention the ******** between dwarves, elves, and humans

- Pathfinder: Wraith of the Righteus is more woke than you think cause you can date anyone and it has "strong female characters", and an Aasimar in your team is a ******

- You crossdress in one of those ****** Zelda games, so that's very woke

- Pokemon is woke cause they no longer ask "are you a boy or a girl" but "who are you"

- any game where you kill a god cause thats an issue to some. You kill a god in Gothic II, for example

- Stellaris bad cause you can make entire race communists

IMO a woke game is woke not for the options or some undertones here and there, but woke to the face it hurts and you cannot ignore it or avoid it
Like forcing you to engage in gay romance instead of having an option to do so, or the whole game revolving around supporting communism
Or minorities being good while the villain is a white, cis man, preferably of Aryan features
Or racial minorities that are not in fact minorities because there are so many of them

If you want an actual woke title, list Boyfriend Dungeon.
- pandering to neogender wokies, many characters clearly labelled as they/them
- Pocket, one of dateable characters - contrary to Halsin - is not a human that turns into a cat, but an actual cat that turns into a weapon. Whenever you can have sex with talking cat is unknown to me
- you'd be hard to find a feminine woman
- most characters are racial minorities, aside from the villain who is white, blonde dude
- a lot of "woke" options, including an option to turn off supportive messages from the player character's mom so the player wont be in distress

>Bethpizda

Starting to think @twig is a fellow Pole
This would explain a lot

EDIT:

Forgot to add
This type of ****:

As an organization, we strive to be an equitable, diverse, and inclusive employer. We welcome applications from all qualified persons and encourage women, indigenous peoples, members of visible minority groups, and persons with disabilities to participate in our communities, play our games, and work with our studio.

Is literally everywhere, unless it's a small indie company that pulls its own weight

Warhorse might not be woke themselves, but they belong to Plaion, and Plaion spews the same type of **** of diversity and inclusion

[Lord of Riva]

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Ah, aren't you the one calling everyone who thinks BG3 is woke and this should affect the votes on the 'dex goty the "Bigot Brigade"? And that everyone disagreeing with you should be ignored when it comes to opinion of games?

Chris Avellone

It does not matter who writes what, what matters is it's content

Sirin was a slave. Ebb becomes your slave. Kills-in-Shadow is submissive to you.

Yes they are oppressed by the "patriarchy" good point, fighting that is considered good in the World, remember that you could not ally with Keiros in the beginning even though it sounded like the most reasonable thing to do?

Scarlet Chorus has a clear hierachy and the one at the top is a man. Most of the group leaders I can remember are men. Initiation into the Chorus involves getting raped and tortured.

A man in power the most evil to boot would not make it less woke. But the Voices of Nerat are not male, it's an amalgamation of different people of different sexes. Also thanks for pointing that one out, it's also a genderless being.

Most of the faction leaders are men. All the women in the game are also assholes.

Thats not a contradiction to what I said.

The same is true for bariks sex scene in a DLC nobody cared about. they probably wanted to placate critics, just like the keiros ending. Tyranny flopped because of its wokeness.

[Element]

Initiation into the Chorus involves getting raped and tortured.

As I recall it it involves killing friends or family. They hand out weapons to whomever survived their invasions and have a free for all. When you're interrogating the oathbreaker in their camp, she is allowed to join them when she crushes two of her former companions' heads with a rock.

Tyranny did have some not-so-woke stuff in it, which perhaps is why I didn't consider too bad an example. Stuff like slapping a woman who's giving you cheek would be a no go in the current year, but in Tyranny it was a non-event. Don't think anyone even reacted to you doing that.

[Roguey]

Yes they are oppressed by the "patriarchy" good point, fighting that is considered good in the World, remember that you could not ally with Keiros in the beginning even though it sounded like the most reasonable thing to do?

There is no patriarchy in this world and it's certainly not Kyros (some ambiguous genderblob).

You couldn't ally with Kyros because there was supposed to be two more chapters of content that had to be cut.

A man in power the most evil to boot would not make it less woke. But the Voices of Nerat are not male, it's an amalgamation of different people of different sexes. Also thanks for pointing that one out, it's also a genderless being.

Nerat very much identifies as a man. He just has a bunch of voices in his head that he controls. If you feed him one of your loyal companions he becomes Voices of (that character's name) and they take over.

Tyranny flopped because of its wokeness.

Not really a thing. Like Deadfire, it seems to have done well over time, another marketing failure.

As I recall it it involves killing friends or family. They hand out weapons to whomever survived their invasions and have a free for all. When you're interrogating the oathbreaker in their camp, she is allowed to join them when she crushes two of her former companions' heads with a rock.

On the Scarlet Chorus path, there's an incredibly gross incident where if you get Mattias to turn against the Unbroken they buckbreak him to the point of prolapse and give him the undignified nickname of "Brown Bottom."

Additionally

Tyranny did have some not-so-woke stuff in it, which perhaps is why I didn't consider too bad an example. Stuff like slapping a woman who's giving you cheek would be a no go in the current year, but in Tyranny it was a non-event. Don't think anyone even reacted to you doing that.

You can also kick the female rebel leader off the spire after her surrender (and get a 300-reference achievement for it)

[Lord of Riva]

There is no patriarchy in this world and it's certainly not Kyros (some ambiguous genderblob).

You couldn't ally with Kyros because there was supposed to be two more chapters of content that had to be cut.

There is no Patriarchy in reality either the idea still exists. It's the same here, your idea of enslavement of women are a sign of non-wokeness is just wrong. But you are claiming that the enslavement of women in particular would show it.

Either Kyros is a force that subjugates all (which would be non-woke) or you point to the fact that women are subjucated seperately, in the case of Sirin especially that is mentioned.

Nerat very much identifies as a man. He just has a bunch of voices in his head that he controls. If you feed him one of your loyal companions he becomes Voices of (that character's name) and they take over.

"He Identifies as" should already make clear that you are wrong.

This is also not the case either, depending on the choices it could become the "Voices of Sirin" the "Voices of Verse" or the "Voices of Barik" if I remember correctly. Meaning not only is Nerat genderless from the beginning but as to what he "identifies" as changes over the course of the game.

Any game, that has "Gendertheory" as in there is something is a way to distinguish a social or biological sex that can change ones expression in it should be automatically be put on high, period. The rest should not even matter.


Also regarding the claim that most factions are lead by a man I don't think it's true at all:

The Tier rebels were lead by Ebb
The beastmen are led by Kills-in-shadow
The Earthshakers are lead by a stone golem who is Identified as "he" but will have no sex
The Forgebound are lead by a woman
The (?) golden Brotherhood is lead by a man, they are also incredibly incompetent and corrupt
The Court of Kyros is lead by a genderless being
Kyros forces are as well.
The Disfavored are lead by graven Ashe a man.

This is from the top of my head. So I may err on this specific thing but it should not matter anyways the amount of "non-binary" or genderless people is so staggering I see no argument for it being less than high at this point.

Also having rape in a game does not make it less woke.
Same with violence against women btw.

[Lord of Riva]

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When you start the game you can give Body type twos a penis.

There is no bearsex necessary to understand it's woke.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

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When you start the game you can give Body twos a penis.

There is no bearsex necessary to understand it's woke.

Customization options that cater to the widest playerbase possible arent inherently woke
One of the features a lot of people look at are customization options, and the better there is, the bigger "fashion" community becomes, more players come by, more money is to be made

I could even go so far as to say allowing for black skin options in character customization is woke in itself cause blacks arent capable of participating in society, let alone in a campaign
Or allowing the player to play as a woman because women dont have the same strenght and stamina as men

I'm being glib of course

Point being
I don't like it either, but business is business
I'm not forced to give myself a """mangina""". There is no special power to be gained, no special dialogue options, I can count on my one palm how many times i've seen my ****
And whenever we like it or not, game developers would like to catch as many players as possible
That includes the evergrowing ****** community made of groomed teens and young adults that also play video games and want to enact their fantasies

To me, wide customization options aren't woke
The wider the better
I'd love them not to have manginas and femineses as options as well, but all I can do is not pick it and ignore it

Again, my main point is that to me a woke game forces you to care about minorities, berates and teaches you about pronouns, gives special powers and options should you play as a minority - in essence things you cannot avoid
BG3 is not that woke from my POV as people label it.
Is there a ****** character youre forced to care about? Cant recall one through my 7 playthroughs on different characters
If not for Orin team's mod I wouldnt be aware of any
Same goes for lesbians. I didn't know any other lesbian couple other than Aylin and Isobel

It's certainly woke when it comes to racial diversity. That I will agree with. I see to many black women on high positions there

[Lord of Riva]

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That gender is a thing is woke, it does not exist and was created by feminist thought leaders and pedophiles.
That races exists (or more specific skin color) is something the wokesters oppose as well but is actually objectively and easily observable.

That's it. in essence being woke means making everything that is objectively true pathologic and everything that is pathologic and wrong, normal.

People would treat this stuff, like they did in Sants Row 3 if there was no actual push to sterilize people and forcing normal people to lie or get punished but that is where we are. Gaming was a niche hobby and it could have it's niche audience of weirdos, in fact it still has, but as it is now it's not less than a medium to push society destroying degeneracy on people.

[Vergil]

Is it really bestiality if it's a man magically turned into a bear, you've seen him turning into a bear, with mind of a man, and has sex with you?
Part of the zoophilia/bestiality thing is that lower intelligence factor
is having sex with a demon also bestiality or is it not because it's a fantasy race that doesnt exist?

I think you're greatly overemphasizing both the intelligence factor and how much that matters when classifying it. It doesn't really matter what sort of extra strings you're attaching to it, they're still sexually attracted to the aesthetics of an animal. It's the same argument as anime where the character is "really 500 years old" but is physically a toddler. If someone is sexually attracted to that they're still a pedophilic weirdo.
As for the demon question it depends a lot by what you mean by "demon" to be honest. Do you just mean basically a tiefling where it's a red human with horns and a tail? Probably not. But if it's someone with like goat legs and a goat head then it's a little more than questionable to me.

If a man dresses up like a bear and has sex with you, is it zoophilia/bestiality?
If a man is hairy and is a muscled bear-type/strongman, is this zoophilia/bestiality or just short of it?

Wanting someone to dress up as an animal is weird furfag behavior and depending on what you mean could be considered bestiality adjacent behavior tbh. There's still a big difference between that and just an actual full on bear though.
Obvious a man being big and hairy is not the same thing at all

For the record, I didn't choose the bear option at any point. I like Halsin in his normal form.

From what I'm seeing, some people overthink this and just look for a reason to label BG3 as woke cause you can have male-male romance options, BG3 has obnoxious lesbian couple you need to meet the requirements to meet, and maybe certain background ****** characters you have to look for to encounter

The ability to have all of those things is "woke" though. Even just 10 years ago you would maybe have a *** option forced in somewhere but now things have clearly only gotten worse and worse. Having an abundance of gays, *****, ********, and even the option to **** a physical animal cannot possibly get more on the nose when it comes to the sort of societal degradation that was considered a "slippery slope" back when tolerance of homosexuals in the larger public space was being discussed.

Those people are mad about options they are not forced to participate in

That matters very little. You're not "forced" to participate in most things but as this stuff encroaching on more and more you're essentially forced to put up with it as it infests things to greater and greater degrees as has been objectively happening. If the game had some far out of the way side path where you could "romance" a child just because it's not "forced" wouldn't make the game any less abhorrent for allowing the option.

Those who had sex with Shadowheart or that froggy lady I don't care about, or Minthara, essentially betrayed their own race - following this logic - which is a nono and woke cause it promotes interracial relationships, but who am I to judge
Never ask a white supremacist about the skin color of their girlfriend, am I right boys?

I think it's a pretty extreme stretch and grasping at straws to equate different kinds of elves with minor aesthetic differences to a normal human with ******* a literal bear

Pandering to zoophiles would be an actual animal, that narratively is an actual animal, not a magical man turned into an animal
If BG3 had this scenario, I wouldnt be here

According to your very specific definition which feels more than a bit like cope to make yourself feel like bad about being a fan of a game that has the option to **** a physical animal. If Halsin instead had the ability to turn into a kid would your opinion be different? Even though it's just a "magic man turning into" one?

Some of you are just simply overreacting and it shows

People in the 90s were told they were overreacting for not being okay with homosexuality and saying it would lead to people engaging in worse behaviors down the line and now we have ***** kids and the most popular mainstream video game lets you **** an animal. I think it's a fair reaction.

- Dragon Age series allows for male-male romance (cause of course that's the pain, lesbians have a pass I assume ), arguably Dragon Age Inquisition is a little bit more "woke" due to more racial diversity.

- Mass Effect series has the same options + entire alien race that whores around with males of different species to collect genes, occasionally having lesbian sex cause why not + promoting symbiosis with alien species/races
Is ******* an alien also bestiality? Idk, I dont like sci-fi aside from Warhammer 40k

I would be extremely shocked if there was anyone here who wouldn't consider Dragon Age & Mass Effect, who were the poster children for SJW nonsense around 2013-2015, woke games man.

- Witcher 3 woke as **** cause if you inquire you encounter a gay hunter who was kicked out cause he slept with the noble's son, and you can choose a lesbian option while playing as Ciri, and you have racial minorities in Zerrikanians, not to mention the ******** between dwarves, elves, and humans

Then I would say that yes it's woke as **** and should belong on the list for this. Not to mention it commits the grievous sin of being polish.

As for the rest of your examples merely the act of allowing crossdressing depends entirely on the context because before things got really insane and ******** a man wearing women's clothing was considered a joke and played for humor. Games removing gendered language during character creation aren't enough to declare the whole thing woke but it is an example of the normalization of "woke" culture affecting everything in the mainstream and should at least be noted. Killing "gods" is an entirely moot point unless it's explicitly supposed to be the specific God of Christianity or an obvious stand in.

[ArcaneLurker]

Those who had sex with Shadowheart or that froggy lady I don't care about, or Minthara, essentially betrayed their own race - following this logic - which is a nono and woke cause it promotes interracial relationships, but who am I to judge
Never ask a white supremacist about the skin color of their girlfriend, am I right boys?

What do you mean?
I am a half-elf.

[Roguey]

Either Kyros is a force that subjugates all (which would be non-woke) or you point to the fact that women are subjucated seperately, in the case of Sirin especially that is mentioned.

Everyone is underneath the Overlord.

"He Identifies as" should already make clear that you are wrong.

This is also not the case either, depending on the choices it could become the "Voices of Sirin" the "Voices of Verse" or the "Voices of Barik" if I remember correctly. Meaning not only is Nerat genderless from the beginning but as to what he "identifies" as changes over the course of the game.

Any game, that has "Gendertheory" as in there is something is a way to distinguish a social or biological sex that can change ones expression in it should be automatically be put on high, period. The rest should not even matter.

Fantasy creatures who don't have human biology aren't woke. Is One of Many from Mask of the Betrayer woke? According to twig, pre-10s games can't be woke. Nerat's just a similar take on the same concept with 0 politics attached to it. "This was fine in the past but now I am awokened so it's bad" is nonsense.

The Tier rebels were lead by Ebb
The beastmen are led by Kills-in-shadow
The Earthshakers are lead by a stone golem who is Identified as "he" but will have no sex
The Forgebound are lead by a woman
The (?) golden Brotherhood is lead by a man, they are also incredibly incompetent and corrupt
The Court of Kyros is lead by a genderless being
Kyros forces are as well.
The Disfavored are lead by graven Ashe a man.

Men
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Disfavored
Scarlet Chorus
Unbroken
Bronze Brotherhood
Lethian's Crossing

Women
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Sages Guild
Vendrien Guard
Forge-Bound
Stonestalkers

Tunon is a man (Are you also going to say Darth Nihilus from KOTOR 2 isn't?). Bleden Mark is also a man.

In this conversation I'm the robot and you're the ******.

[Lord of Riva]

Everyone is underneath the Overlord.

meaning it's not an argument that women are "enslaved"

Fantasy creatures who don't have human biology aren't woke. Is One of Many from Mask of the Betrayer woke? According to twig, pre-10s games can't be woke. Nerat's just a similar take on the same concept with 0 politics attached to it. "This was fine in the past but now I am awokened so it's bad" is nonsense.

Nonsense you yourself argued that Nerat was male *and* you use him later to pretend as if more factions are lead by men agains as if he were. Now you argue he has no gender. No all things considered, withy Kyros being an genderamorphous blob, Nerat being a nonsexed genderchanging thing and other characters in the game clearly being sexless and these things (eg which sex someone is or isn't) constantly being brought up in dialogues it's 100% Gendertheory implemented into the game.

And *then* there is the rest.

Men
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Disfavored
Scarlet Chorus
Unbroken
Bronze Brotherhood
Lethian's Crossing

Women
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Sages Guild
Vendrien Guard
Forge-Bound
Stonestalkers

Well great list where you excluded all the sexless factions, like the earth-shakers, pretending as if it's a binary problem where it is a non-binary one (for once) and pretended again that Nerat is a man, when he isn't, even in your argument above.

Additionally Lethian's crossing's leader according to the wiki might be male (by being the oldest) but it's the one location that is always getting captured, either while conquest or the story with 2/3s of the real leaders being female again.

That women are in leadership positions isn't the issue here really btw. this has been established in this and the other thread but in what capacity and how they are portrayed.

In any case you are, as always, a incredibly dishonest actor in these topics, I mean seemingly we can it debate here at least but you are a wokist in sheeps clothing and whatever you are saying should be taken with 10kilos of Salt anyways.

Tunon is a man (Are you also going to say Darth Nihilus from KOTOR 2 isn't?). Bleden Mark is also a man.

Bleden Mark is a man, Tunon is not.

You are one of those people arguing bear-sex is non-problematic as it can be avoided, chicks with dicks is also okay and none of this should be reason enough to lower the score of a game. Your opinion here should not matter, in the least. @twig . How do we proceed here? I would seriously suggest to not take Roguey serious in these topics but it's not my decision. But element still brought in a different viewpoint on the matter.

If we let this slide we will end up in a situation in which any game that has no direct "chicks with dicks" must be deemed not woke.

I will also add a funny picture or something to describe you (Roguey):

[Roguey]

meaning it's not an argument that women are "enslaved"

Woke games put women on a pedestal.

Nonsense you yourself argued that Nerat was male *and* you use him later to pretend as if more factions are lead by men agains as if he were. Now you argue he has no gender. No all things considered, withy Kyros being an genderamorphous blob, Nerat being a nonsexed genderchanging thing and other characters in the game clearly being sexless and these things (eg which sex someone is or isn't) constantly being brought up in dialogues it's 100% Gendertheory implemented into the game.

Nerat is a guy. What does he look like underneath the clothes? I don't know, I don't care. Same deal with Tunon.

There's no discussion whatsoever of gender as a concept in Tyranny. No nonbinaries, no ********, no feminist speeches. They talk about specific gender roles in their fantasy society and the dubious gender of Kyros (probably some intersex thing which is something that happens in nature), that's it.

[Lord of Riva]

Woke games put women on a pedestal.

I disagree that this is the correct metric but this still happens non-stop in Tyranny. It does not matter if there are also instances where there is violence against women.

Nerat is a guy. What does he look like underneath the clothes? I don't know, I don't care. Same deal with Tunon.

There's no discussion whatsoever of gender as a concept in Tyranny. No nonbinaries, no ********, no feminist speeches. They talk about specific gender roles in their fantasy society and the dubious gender of Kyros (probably some intersex thing which is something that happens in nature), that's it.

There is definitely nonbinaries with Kyros and Nerat at least and feminist speeches. How women are treated is voiced regularly by Ebb and Sirin.

Ebb has specific talking points about how women are better, she *is* a feminist.

Intersex does not exist in nature, you are so dishonest, jesus, there are no real hermaphrodites in humans (and don't start with it's not a human again) it's just a made up thing to pretend that there is something outside male and female, there is not especially not in hermaphrodites.

[Roguey]

I disagree that this is the correct metric but this still happens non-stop in Tyranny.

No it doesnt..? There is no "women good, men bad." Everyone's bad.

There is definitely nonbinaries with Kyros and Nerat at least and feminist speeches. How women are treated is voiced regularly by Ebb and Sirin.

Ebb has specific talking points about how women are better, she *is* a feminist.

Nerat does nothing remotely feminine or anything that breaks gender norms. 100% guy with a weird magic body and a hivemind to draw from. Ebb and Sirin seethe about ways they are treated, I don't recall them saying anything about women in general.


^ that is not "women are better." It's also rather *****-exclusive.

Intersex does not exist in nature, you are so dishonest,

I don't even know what to say to this.

Anyway I'd say the queers alone qualify it as medium but twig said that the presence of gay people and feminist women in Kingdom Come didn't even qualify it as mild so.

[Lord of Riva]

Nerat does nothing remotely feminine or anything that breaks gender norms. 100% guy with a weird magic body and a hivemind to draw from.

I'm sorry I don't know what you mean with that, I'm not part of the woke tribe. I thought men and women are the same, what is now "gender norms"? Is Verse breaking them by being a fighter? If so, the voices of Sirin, 100% female, also fight. What are you on about?

Ebb and Sirin seethe about ways they are treated, I don't recall them saying anything about women in general.

I am not going to install Tyranny again to find text excerpts in that, not only are the laws of the lands matriarchal but when you talk to ebb she points mutliple times to the fact that women are not only leaders but also the sexually more active people.

What you posted there does not only not contradict, it serves my argument, and it has absolutely no bearing on the ***** issue. Kyros or Nerat are not suddenly sexed because Ebb describes her matriarchal society which is nearly identical to ours (for a time period) just that the sexes are reversed, again: Gendertheory.

I don't even know what to say to this.

I would suggest something akin to: "You are absolutely right, any person with a sexual mutation showing aspects are still either male or female as their biological mark-up does not change, and of course there are no true hermaphrodites, if humans have both sexual organs one of them is nonfunctional in all cases so it's merely a mutation and potentially a disability but they are also in all cases sterile. Naming it "intersex" does not change that in the least there have never been any instance of a third sex with a different function in humans or the animal realm even where true hermaphrodites exist, like in snails."

But that would necessitate you either being honest, educated or not being woke.

Anyway I'd say the queers alone qualify it as medium but twig said that the presence of gay people and feminist women in Kingdom Come didn't even qualify it as mild so.

Twigs assessment is completely correct and ******* Bonds should still be featured as a none woke game in the List.

[Consul]

The most sympathetic faction that the majority of people join is a group of white nationalists.

Could you explain it in some greater detail? Did you mean to say that in the game there is a faction, which could serve as an allegory for white nationalists? I don't think you meant it in the literal sense. Either way, both would be pretty shocking to see in an Obsidian game.

[Acrux]

Could you explain it in some greater detail? Did you mean to say that in the game there is a faction, which could serve as an allegory for white nationalists? I don't think you meant it in the literal sense. Either way, both would be pretty shocking to see in an Obsidian game.

The Disfavored are pretty close, yeah.

[Mondain]

Then in the dlc they gave barik a portrait of some minor Indian celebrity they traced over lmao
Doesn't even make sense in the least.

[Lord of Riva]

Then in the dlc they gave barik a portrait of some minor Indian celebrity they traced over lmao
Doesn't even make sense in the least.

I never played the DLC even.

For the list what is your guys impression of Tyranny on the scale of wokeness. Twig will need more comments to go on.

[Slavic Sorcerer]

I think you're greatly overemphasizing both the intelligence factor and how much that matters when classifying it. It doesn't really matter what sort of extra strings you're attaching to it, they're still sexually attracted to the aesthetics of an animal. It's the same argument as anime where the character is "really 500 years old" but is physically a toddler. If someone is sexually attracted to that they're still a pedophilic weirdo.
As for the demon question it depends a lot by what you mean by "demon" to be honest. Do you just mean basically a tiefling where it's a red human with horns and a tail? Probably not. But if it's someone with like goat legs and a goat head then it's a little more than questionable to me.

So what youre saying is there is an acceptable ration between animal and human features that is acceptable

Riddle me this
As of June 2021, only Hawaii, New Mexico, West Virginia, and Wyoming did not have laws against bestiality.
That means the rest of states have laws against it
It's considered either a felony or a misdemeanor, doesn't matter. It's illegal
This also include recording and distribution of bestiality

AFAIK that option to romance Halsin that way still exists in the US release

Both narratively and technically it's not bestiality, because it's a bunch of pixels if a non-existent man magically turning into a bear to **** you off-screen (which is implied), if you really want to argue that far

If still that's bestiality and promotion of it, following this logic this game promotes murdering people overall - like most games. Even has a special background for being a psychopatic murderer edge lord that kills innocent women
It also promotes black genocide because a lot of enemies are racially diverse so there's an argument to say this game is not woke

Wanting someone to dress up as an animal is weird furfag behavior and depending on what you mean could be considered bestiality adjacent behavior tbh. There's still a big difference between that and just an actual full on bear though.
Obvious a man being big and hairy is not the same thing at all

I'm overexaggerating here

The ability to have all of those things is "woke" though. Even just 10 years ago you would maybe have a *** option forced in somewhere but now things have clearly only gotten worse and worse. Having an abundance of gays, *****, ********, and even the option to **** a physical animal cannot possibly get more on the nose when it comes to the sort of societal degradation that was considered a "slippery slope" back when tolerance of homosexuals in the larger public space was being discussed.

That's kinda sensitive from my POV
What's funny there are some people do ***** a lot about game they were playing for hours
Cant stop playing and stop bitching about it on a game break
Clutching their pearls cause they found an obscure ****** character or they can pick an option to something that contradicts their worldview

That matters very little. You're not "forced" to participate in most things but as this stuff encroaching on more and more you're essentially forced to put up with it as it infests things to greater and greater degrees as has been objectively happening. If the game had some far out of the way side path where you could "romance" a child just because it's not "forced" wouldn't make the game any less abhorrent for allowing the option.

According to your very specific definition which feels more than a bit like cope to make yourself feel like bad about being a fan of a game that has the option to **** a physical animal. If Halsin instead had the ability to turn into a kid would your opinion be different? Even though it's just a "magic man turning into" one?

It would be no different, because I wouldn't pick this option to begin with
Those who'd pick are questionable that's for sure. I wanna stay away from them as much as possible

But I dug my grave with previous argument about "crimes" in games, so I might as well lay down in it for the sake of integrity

Besides, show me a game when **** like that is allowed; romancing a "500 yo child"
Nobody, sane or insane, implements such feature in the game. You cant even kill kids in most games, if they are even present at all
We might be arguing about impossibilities here

I think it's a pretty extreme stretch and grasping at straws to equate different kinds of elves with minor aesthetic differences to a normal human with ******* a literal bear

Again, I'm nitpicking. Interracial relationships were considered big no no in America not so long ago, and to this day some people still do view them as such

People in the 90s were told they were overreacting for not being okay with homosexuality and saying it would lead to people engaging in worse behaviors down the line and now we have ***** kids and the most popular mainstream video game lets you **** an animal. I think it's a fair reaction.

Throw "video games promote murder and genocide" in and we will have a proper boomer argument

I would be extremely shocked if there was anyone here who wouldn't consider Dragon Age & Mass Effect, who were the poster children for SJW nonsense around 2013-2015, woke games man.

Watch your heart rate, cause I don't consider those games woke
Dragon Age II's Aveline is a peak example of strong female character done properly I might add

As for the rest of your examples merely the act of allowing crossdressing depends entirely on the context because before things got really insane and ******** a man wearing women's clothing was considered a joke and played for humor. Games removing gendered language during character creation aren't enough to declare the whole thing woke but it is an example of the normalization of "woke" culture affecting everything in the mainstream and should at least be noted. Killing "gods" is an entirely moot point unless it's explicitly supposed to be the specific God of Christianity or an obvious stand in.

I'm sorry, but this whole thread is Pavlov's Dog reaction I just couldn't help myself bring those examples up and see justifications for why they are not woke
There are people here who scream "WOKE!" just because there is a gay romance option, or an obscure lesbian you meet for 3.45 seconds in the game, and I'm just gonna say this is no different from the woke left who sees istophobia and istophobes everywhere

Rather sad, really

[Oyster Sauce]

Bearfucking is really gross and immoral - when it's gay bearfucking

[ArcaneLurker]

Legality/ legislation regarding consent is separate from why it's gross to most people.