Baldur's Gate 3

[orinEsque]

Ha ha ha haw! Buy a bigger nvme peasant!

Lol. On PC, we don't even need to do that.
Just tell Steam to use your 12gb hard disk for the program update files.
I need more space, I just plug in a bigger drive.
Get ****** consoles.

But I'm on PC, and NVME is faster than ssds.

[pokafox]

But I'm on PC, and NVME is faster than ssds.

laughs in full SATA HDD data hoarder mode



seriously tho why is this the only game I have that takes 1 full ******* minute to load it's textures in this goofy way after 2 minutes of actual loading screen

[orinEsque]

But I'm on PC, and NVME is faster than ssds.

laughs in full SATA HDD data hoarder mode



seriously tho why is this the only game I have that takes 1 full ******* minute to load it's textures in this goofy way after 2 minutes of actual loading screen

Never had this issue.

[pokafox]

Yeah nah I know it's because I play on HDD just find it wild that no level of lowering graphics will actually fix that.

Feels like game optimization isn't even a topic anymore. It's just "buy more ****".

[Oyster Sauce]

HDD

It's time to let go...

[pokafox]

HDD

It's time to let go...

nah I aint spending money and reinstalling windows just to load DOS2 "pretty cutscenes edition" faster

maybe for Dragon's Dogma 2 ... but knowing Capcom there's a good chance it'll actually be properly optimized

I mean, I do play Elden Ring flawlessly.

[Vergil]

Oi, Halsin is not a ******

Yea yea yea we all know you like bears.

[Anon]

But I'm on PC, and NVME is faster than ssds.

laughs in full SATA HDD data hoarder mode



seriously tho why is this the only game I have that takes 1 full ******* minute to load it's textures in this goofy way after 2 minutes of actual loading screen

I'd say it's more likely on your GPU than on your HDD.

But definitely a nvme or ssd is mandatory to play this ****.

[Vergil]

But I'm on PC, and NVME is faster than ssds.

laughs in full SATA HDD data hoarder mode



seriously tho why is this the only game I have that takes 1 full ******* minute to load it's textures in this goofy way after 2 minutes of actual loading screen

My game was exactly like this until I switched over to an SSD. Baldur's Gate itself was a ******* nightmare because the game would load and then I'd have to sit for upwards of 5 minutes with my thumb up my *** for the actual geometry to slooooowly load in. Actually interested to get to act 3 on this playthrough so I can actually take my time and check out the city instead of rushing through it out of annoyance.

[Rand]

HDD

It's time to let go...

Still cheap and high capacity.
I got a 12TB for next to nothing.
I have 8 slots for SATA HDD and only 2 (dedicated) for M.2 nVME, so...

[rusty_shackleford]

HDD

It's time to let go...

Still cheap and high capacity.
I got a 12TB for next to nothing.
I have 8 slots for SATA HDD and only 2 (dedicated) for M.2 nVME, so...

SSDs are like $30/tb, barely 2x more than HDDs, there's no reason to use a HDD unless it's purely for backup. Even then, I'd consider otherwise because HDDs have significantly higher failure rates compared to SSDs, especially as the drives age.

[Anon]

afaik well-preserved HDD has more longevity than well-preserved SSD. HDD is way more susceptible to damage though

[Rand]

Still cheap and high capacity.
I got a 12TB for next to nothing.
I have 8 slots for SATA HDD and only 2 (dedicated) for M.2 nVME, so...

SSDs are like $30/tb, barely 2x more than HDDs, there's no reason to use a HDD unless it's purely for backup. Even then, I'd consider otherwise because HDDs have significantly higher failure rates compared to SSDs, especially as the drives age.

I do use them purely for backup though.
I'm not buying SSDs to replace them because: why?
I already paid for them and they were inexpensive. I bought them like 4 years ago.

[rusty_shackleford]

afaik well-preserved HDD has more longevity than well-preserved SSD. HDD is way more susceptible to damage though

Neither should be 'well-preserved', neither are suitable for offline storage.
HDDs rely on lubricants and not being powered on regularly can cause the mechanical components to seize up. e.g., Seagate recommends keeping their enterprise grade hard drives in storage for no longer than 180 days at a time.

Data archiving should use something like LTO, which should still regularly be checked for corruption.

[Nessa]

And yet I've powered up HDDs that have been sitting around for years and they're fine. Of course, they weren't Seagates either. But you're right, for long term storage absolutely not.

M2's for the apps, SATA SSD's for the files, RAID 1 HDDs for the backups. Life is pretty good for personal data storage these days. Now if only GPU prices would come back down to earth.

Larian's updating situation is certainly annoying though. I understand the reasoning, to a point. But ****.

[orinEsque]

There is a very simple solution to all this:

[Slavic Sorcerer]

Oi, Halsin is not a ******

Yea yea yea we all know you like bears.

Guilty as charged

[pokafox]

SSDs are like $30/tb, barely 2x more than HDDs,

Wait what ?

It's more like 60/tb, in Europe at least and for low ends. While HDDs are indeed around 15/tb.

[rusty_shackleford]

SSDs are like $30/tb, barely 2x more than HDDs,

Wait what ?

It's more like 60/tb, in Europe at least and for low ends. While HDDs are indeed around 15/tb.

That was the price last I checked, seems to have gone up since middle of last year.
high positive rating 1tb SSD for $35 last summer: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP ... y_days=730

[Anon]

Are you guys not anxious for the next patch?

[pokafox]

and nothing but applauds ... the absolute state of gaming and modern culture as a whole I swear ...

rip larian. you were never great but you've demonstrated you care more about titillating bourgeois sex for the netflix crowd than making good games.

[Element]

forum needs a despair emoji

[Silver]

I hate larian. I hate larian. I hate larian.

[rusty_shackleford]

and nothing but applauds ... the absolute state of gaming and modern culture as a whole I swear ...

Social media bubbles.

If you want a small somewhat random sample of how actual (potential) customers feel about this sort of stuff, I came across a newspost about the patch on MMORPG.com:
https://www.mmorpg.com/news/hefty-baldu ... a-comments

[Ligrev]

forum needs a despair emoji

a vomiting reaction option.

[Oyster Sauce]

Are you guys not anxious for the next patch?

Did they really add a 36 second long animation where you silently make a party member get on their knees while they look terrified and then choke them or is this just something they animated for Twitter? What does the dialogue choice for this look like? So ******* weird.

[maidenhaver]

The madbomber's daughter playing Baldr is Gay 3 like a dating sim is how Stellar Babe will be played by boys.

[Magick]

forum needs a despair emoji

a vomiting reaction option.

Also, just what the **** happened, Swen?
I know there's the "I have a company to run", but still.

Admittedly, some of the topics are a bit controversial, even if we did base them on real-life issues that dominate political agendas around the world. But the wording used by our writer is pretty much in synch with Larian’s culture i.e. it’s very satiricial, and since the internet is the internet and some of the satire will be lost in translation, it’s probably inevitable that flak is going to head our way.

It also doesn’t help that our lead animator decided that on this particular game he was going to show the world what he thinks of censorship. He made the most obvious sexist camera shot ever for the introduction of the dwarven princess to the dragon knight, and then queried me whether I thought it was over the top, and whether or not such an expression of artistic freedom belonged in a game. As I was debating the issue openly I somehow managed to get half Larian around me, who vigorously let me know that censorship is a thing of the devil and what they thought about their right to aim a camera at a dwarven princess’ breasts.

I let them cook a bit by playing the devil’s advocate, but let it in because a) I’m no big fan of censorship, b) I’m no fan of enforced politically correctness because it gives media too much power to shape opinion and c) I thought there was something symbolical about this particular shot being such a discussion generator just because it was visual. I think there is much more controversial stuff than this in the way the councillors formulate their opnions , but apparently the fact that that’s just words doesn’t provoke the same emotions.

Some of the guys who saw our presentations got it though and understood that there was gameplay value in putting in things a large majority wouldn’t agree with (at least, I hope), but which a player would still contemplate because it might let him reach his goals, pretty much the same thing a politician has to do all the time.

Yes, even after all this talk about censorship, I do in general indulge in a bit of self-censorship when talking to press if only it’s because I have to promote my company and my own personal thoughts are sometimes not necessarily conductive to that

https://web.archive.org/web/20220524032 ... ensorship/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190911161 ... w.lar.net/

[Magick]

And another one:

We sincerely hope that we can all agree the moral thing to do is punish those who rape; that this should be the evident and indeed only thing to do. But for us, the real problem we encountered here is that by design each choice should have gameplay consequences that fit with what gameplay mechanics are available in the game. And for decisions to have a real impact, they all need pros and cons; pros yes, even if a choice may be regarded by most as ethically despicable.

Attaching a pro in this particular example, for instance, felt wrong and for quite some time we therefore considered removing the situation from the game all together. But ultimately we decided to leave it in. This part of the game is about role playing i.e. you take on the role of somebody else, and if you decide to role play that person as somebody thoroughly evil, then that’s up to you.

The net result of this is of course that in several cases this may give the impression that we are letting our own convictions influence the rewards and penalties you reap for making certain decisions, but we really tried not to make this so. We did our very best not to judge and we simply tried to balance the game in such a manner that all choices lead to logical consequences. This wasn’t easy because logic and morality don’t necessarily add up.

Anyway, we ended up with a game in which giving your subjects license to do things that may be fundamentally wrong on all kinds of different levels may nevertheless benefit your march to victory. But, we’ll add that it is always possible to win the game by following your own moral compass, even if sometimes it may feel that’s not the case, because we did associate pros and cons to each decision, and while playing you never know what consequences are associated with the choice you didn’t make .

What direction different people’s moral needle points in is another matter entirely. Your north may be their south and vice versa. One may say that ‘one should act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law’, but nowhere does it say that – to stay in a fantasy context – a dwarf’s view on what should become universal law does not differ fundamentally from that of an elf.

To accommodate for this we ensured that for all decisions you’ll make you’ll have vocal supporters but also even more vocal detractors. And like we said, their reactions may shock you. The intent behind that is to make you think about what you’re deciding. Keep in mind also that all situations are modelled on what we read, heard and saw in reality, a reality which isn’t always a nice place at all.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220930234 ... deo-games/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190911161 ... w.lar.net/

Big difference in perspective there than the "muh refugees" **** in BG3, isn't it?
Was it just changing perspectives over time? ******* of the Coast, Sweet Baby Inc? Tencent ***** subversion? LGBT employees? All of these?

[Anon]

forum needs a despair emoji

a vomiting reaction option.

Also, just what the **** happened, Swen?
I know there's the "I have a company to run", but still.

Admittedly, some of the topics are a bit controversial, even if we did base them on real-life issues that dominate political agendas around the world. But the wording used by our writer is pretty much in synch with Larian’s culture i.e. it’s very satiricial, and since the internet is the internet and some of the satire will be lost in translation, it’s probably inevitable that flak is going to head our way.

It also doesn’t help that our lead animator decided that on this particular game he was going to show the world what he thinks of censorship. He made the most obvious sexist camera shot ever for the introduction of the dwarven princess to the dragon knight, and then queried me whether I thought it was over the top, and whether or not such an expression of artistic freedom belonged in a game. As I was debating the issue openly I somehow managed to get half Larian around me, who vigorously let me know that censorship is a thing of the devil and what they thought about their right to aim a camera at a dwarven princess’ breasts.

I let them cook a bit by playing the devil’s advocate, but let it in because a) I’m no big fan of censorship, b) I’m no fan of enforced politically correctness because it gives media too much power to shape opinion and c) I thought there was something symbolical about this particular shot being such a discussion generator just because it was visual. I think there is much more controversial stuff than this in the way the councillors formulate their opnions , but apparently the fact that that’s just words doesn’t provoke the same emotions.

Some of the guys who saw our presentations got it though and understood that there was gameplay value in putting in things a large majority wouldn’t agree with (at least, I hope), but which a player would still contemplate because it might let him reach his goals, pretty much the same thing a politician has to do all the time.

Yes, even after all this talk about censorship, I do in general indulge in a bit of self-censorship when talking to press if only it’s because I have to promote my company and my own personal thoughts are sometimes not necessarily conductive to that

https://web.archive.org/web/20220524032 ... ensorship/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190911161 ... w.lar.net/

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