The Gothic 1 (?) Thread

[rusty_shackleford]

sorry chump gothic 2 exists

don't think there's any non-whites that aren't prison escapees in 2, are there?

hundreds

I really don't recall any

[roldet]

There were fair and dark skinned people though all seem to have white facial features. Hard to say with potato graphics.

[Rand]

I've been trying it.
It doesn't run well on my 2070super, even at medium settings. It's console 30fps sluggish.
Not unplayable, just kinda ****. And I can't afford a 50XX to replace it.

Just STARTING the game is badly-coded ****.
For example, double-clicking the icon, to ANY response showing that it is loading takes 20 seconds or more.
Then there are the unskippable loading screen videos.
After that, I need, for some unfathomable reason, to select one of four "profiles" before I can see the saves associated with them.
I didn't even know it HAD profiles until I restarted the game and went to load. New Game didn't even mention it was making one.

Also, it has some funny bugs, and a couple of annoying ones.
Funny bug: if you load in the old camp and people are sleeping, they're all spawned on their roofs and they have to walk off, jump down and go back to bed.
Stupid bug: if you save your game manually, you're supposed to be able to hit ESC to exit the interface but it doesn't work once you've saved and you have to click it with your mouse.

In general, the simulation is overcomplicated.
The buying and selling being weighted by several factors is annoying.
Especially stupid is if the vendor gets low on cash (ore) he starts making less advantageous trades for the player (charging more).

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And the lockpicking is interesting, but too complex for crappy locks in a prison colony. Laughably high-security.
It would be easier to kick or crowbar them open. And should be an option.

[rusty_shackleford]

In general, the simulation is overcomplicated.
The buying and selling being weighted by several factors is annoying.
Especially stupid is if the vendor gets low on cash (ore) he starts making less advantageous trades for the player (charging more).

This is a good addition and you guys hating it is lame.

[Rand]

Gorn was always darker, but looked dusky like eastern slavs/one of the people north of the middle-east not like a jigaboo.

[Rand]

In general, the simulation is overcomplicated.
The buying and selling being weighted by several factors is annoying.
Especially stupid is if the vendor gets low on cash (ore) he starts making less advantageous trades for the player (charging more).

This is a good addition and you guys hating it is lame.

Yeah? Look at the description in the pic and say that again, honestly.
It's a prison colony. Everything is scarce and valuable except water, dirt, and rocks.
There may be a few extra today, but they won't last and the merchant will sell them for certain.

[rusty_shackleford]

In general, the simulation is overcomplicated.
The buying and selling being weighted by several factors is annoying.
Especially stupid is if the vendor gets low on cash (ore) he starts making less advantageous trades for the player (charging more).

This is a good addition and you guys hating it is lame.

Yeah? Look at the description in the pic and say that again, honestly.
It's a prison colony. Everything is scarce and valuable except water, dirt, and rocks.
There may be a few extr today, but they won't last.

He knows what he got, and he aint givin it for five smokes, he already got three.

[Vaako]

Synth is currently streaming some good laughs already with the guards, since he isnt used to these games.

edit: and already save scumming

Gothic Remake

[Finarfin]

I always thought Gorn was a Mexican.

No he was always African. Are you confusing him with Diego? Though I think he is supposed to be Turk.

You can't even fault the studio for "diversifying" the cast... I mean I think they swapped some leaders to dark skin, because of course, but germany is the forefront of wokistanian the OG was already extremely "diverse"

Diego soll doch kein Kanake sein, der ist Latino Diego's not supposed to be a roach, he's a Latino

Most importantly record the In Extremo Concert

[rusty_shackleford]

Going to wait for all patches and/or DLC before I play tho

[Killagain665]

and mods to make women sexy again.

[roldet]

Where do you find time to play even **** games smh. Are you all retired boomers

[Rand]

Going to wait for all patches and/or DLC before I play tho

Wise.
Though I doubt there'll be DLC, but it definitely has bugs and desperately needs an optimization pass.

[rusty_shackleford]

Where do you find time to play even **** games smh. Are you all retired boomers

sleep less

[Vaako]

Where do you find time to play even **** games smh. Are you all retired boomers

yep living the dream

[Killagain665]

just the fact that this image exists disturbs me

[Valter]

Where do you find time to play even **** games smh. Are you all retired boomers

**** games need love the most

[Rand]

This is a good addition and you guys hating it is lame.

Yeah? Look at the description in the pic and say that again, honestly.
It's a prison colony. Everything is scarce and valuable except water, dirt, and rocks.
There may be a few extr today, but they won't last.

He knows what he got, and he aint givin it for five smokes, he already got three.

So now I know you either didn't read it or couldn't understand it. Great.

[rusty_shackleford]

This is a good addition and you guys hating it is lame.

Yeah? Look at the description in the pic and say that again, honestly.
It's a prison colony. Everything is scarce and valuable except water, dirt, and rocks.
There may be a few extr today, but they won't last.

He knows what he got, and he aint givin it for five smokes, he already got three.

So now I know you either didn't read it or couldn't understand it. Great.

I don't see what's wrong with it

[wndrbr]

don't think there's any non-whites that aren't prison escapees in 2, are there?

hundreds

I really don't recall any

there was a cocky Italian guy named Valentino, you beat him up during one of the side quests.

[wndrbr]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

[aweigh]

Is the game fun or not?

Yes.

[Mordred]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

no i walked into tons of houses and picked tons of stuff with almost no reactions. some few did react but it is very different in og gothic. might be bugs though.

[Lord of Riva]

Going to wait for all patches and/or DLC before I play tho

Wise.
Though I doubt there'll be DLC, but it definitely has bugs and desperately needs an optimization pass.

Yeah it's buggy as **** and crashed regularly.

It's literally in the same "eurojank" state as the OG on 1.0. It's bad in that regard.

No Showstoppers though

Diego soll doch kein Kanake sein, der ist Latino Diego's not supposed to be a roach, he's a Latino

Most importantly record the In Extremo Concert

The managed to get In extremo back? Didn't know. I will see what I can do.

Do you guys want some Screenies?

[Lord of Riva]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

What do you mean?

The way NPC "live their lives" ?

These were definitely not cut, instead they were "verschlimmbessert" (improved in a way to make it worse) most of the things are implemented *as you would expect* in a reasonable simulation, everything is at worst the same level of detail but often there is vastly more. But that is a detriment to the actual gameplay.

For example:
People actually sleep when it's dark, hence you can't run into their hut to talk to them when it's night, all huts are "owned" by the NPC sleeping in it, they do not speak with you and drive you out.

You can't sleep in unowned beds, they wake you at midnight, which is horrible due to the fact that you basically can't see when it's dark.

So no, the NPC behaviour has been *strengthened* unquestionably so but at the cost of the players ability to interact with the World, so for me it's clearly a Toss up between realism vs. player agency.

[Lord of Riva]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

no i walked into tons of houses and picked tons of stuff with almost no reactions. some few did react but it is very different in og gothic. might be bugs though.

Ah. Well you are somewhat right. No I can not confirm this directly.

The NPCs clearly react to stealing, a lot more reasonably so actually:

If you open a locked chest in a house undetected but are observed leaving a "owned" house with a locked chest NPCs will actually investigate if the lock has been broken, if it is they will alarm others and attack you, so you have to be a lot more sneaky about it.

That said this game is clearly a buggy mess and again, verschlimmbessert.

For example, in New Camp it is a stable that the NPCs do not help each other unless they are Mercs because how individualist the faction is supposed to be.
Here it's different, attack a Bandit, all (or those in range) attack with them.

*But* I managed to get Silas axe just fine, I cut him down, took the axe, got knocked out and Robbed and after that *no Reaction* from the NPCs at all (including Lee who handles reprations in New Camp)

After reaching the point where I can move into the Old camp castle, here for bringing Swamp weed as I am a novice, I could just attack Scar (And Bullit) even though I was warned that they are protected. Whilst this is identical to the OG it does not feel like it is intended.

It's a mixture of bugs, actual improvements and verschlimmbesserungen, I would say.

It's not such a Big deal. However what Is cool is NPCs reacting to actually do that in their Banter "He attacked a Ore-baron and Won, he is bad-***" (regarding Scar) or "You better watch out, the Peasents are under our protection, you got me?" In the New camp Bandit banter (because of Silas).

[aweigh]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

i'm no gothic expert and i can only answer based off my brief experience "performance testing / playing" this remake, and as far as i can tell all NPC behavior seems to be there. I get attacked by a house owner, if i take too long picking a lock eventually a guard comes by and attacks me. Guards have even attacked me because I decided to run around them and bump into them, like I like doing in GTA 5, and just like in that game the guard got angry at me for doing it.


i also led some adult scavengers to the guards for slaughter and it worked perfectly fine as well, with no glitches. However, the one glitch i've noticed is when loading into a game i will sometimes see npc's fall down and get up.

As for stealing in plain sight i don't know if it's working as intended or not, but i've been grabbing anything i can get my hands on as long as no one is looking, and so far no one has said anything. i have not tried selling it however. for example the blacksmith stuff, grabbed that. Blacksmith wasn't present at the moment, is now, seemingly no repercussions.

[Tangerine]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

the one glitch i've noticed is when loading into a game i will sometimes see npc's fall down and get up.

I bet that's some hacky fix to prevent NPCs from spawning in the floor.

[Lord of Riva]

@Lord of Riva so all those previous reports about the NPC simulation getting cut were false?

the one glitch i've noticed is when loading into a game i will sometimes see npc's fall down and get up.

I bet that's some hacky fix to prevent NPCs from spawning in the floor.

There seem to be many save glitches, it seems to be related to the data they actually store. Doors that were open are closed for example, not that I have encountered anything game-breaking regarding this but that is something I would Test as a QA. Like saving inside a locked room without lockpicks.

One thing this does is Mordrag and ... whatever the swamp dudes name is, travel to the two camps as you exploit those two for experience, after saving and loading the mobs they kill actually respawn.

[Finarfin]

@Resident Modtroon make some mods for Gothic 1 Remake.